Talk:Tom of Finland

"Improbably large" considered POV

I would do due diligence before calling the penises of Tom of Finland's men to be "improbably large". In general, wikipedia editors have no clue on this matter.

Unless you have a WP:RS that says that, this is considered WP:OR.Smallman12q (talk) 14:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Copyright of Tom of Finland's works

One editor wants to add a link to a page containing Tom's works. However, he provides no information about their copyright status. The last time I checked, all the publications of Tom's works from which the pages have been scanned are actually copyrighted, and Tom's works are copyrighted by the Tom of Finland foundation, so their legal status is fishy at best. I'm in favour of removing the link.--Wormsie (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

And you'd be correct in doing so. Benjiboi 21:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed pic.

My browser betrayed me as I was entering an edit summary for diff 234754463. So I'll explain here: The picture of ToF is, at that resolution, basically just a grey smear; most of the view of the house is blocked, and it isn't clear why the apearance of the house is important anyway. The real subject of the picture is Durk Dehner, who might be mighty pleased with himself, but isn't notable. —12.72.73.57 (talk) 10:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The image is relevant to this article and as the President of the TOF foundation he certainly is a reasonable person to be included in the article. Banjeboi 12:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it´s not relevant... I'm removing it.190.191.5.214 (talk) 15:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, it's the only image we have of Finland and the president of the Tom of Finland foundation is also relevant here. -- Banjeboi 15:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not consider Dehner necessarily relevant, since this is not an article on the Tom of Finland foundation, but as the picture of Dehner contains the only picture the article has of Laaksonen, it should remain there for the moment, until or unless a better picture can be found. Born Gay (talk) 23:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The key problem with this argument is that photo of Laaksonen embedded in this file is protected by copyright (Robert Mapplethorpe's if I'm not mistaken). To use this file legitimately, we would have to remove the part that is actually relevant to the article. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the article about the Tom of Finland Foundation. If the content grows into it's own article then the image can move there. To appease the fair use concern of the artwork within the image it may make sense to simply reference that work in the text. Another solution would be to crop out the artwork and find another image of Laaksonen. -- Banjeboi 14:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

No, this article is not about the Tom of Finland Foundation, which warrants only a brief mention in the article. It is most definitely not about the subject of this photo, who is (appropriately) not even mentioned in the article, and his name wouldn't appear on the page at all if not for the need to explain who the dude in the picture is. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia and as such people seek information. This article contains everything wikipedia knows about the foundation, it certainly could have it's own article but until it does, this is where people looking for that information need to go. The lede should explian that among other impacts his legacy is supported by the Tom of Finland Foundation. The disputed image should likely be moved down to the legacy/impact section and content about the foundation added there. -- Banjeboi 20:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll put it directly: Whatshisname is not sufficiently notable to justify a photo of him in Wikipedia. Neither am I, and I'm guessing neither are you. Disappointing, perhaps, but we'll all get over it. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Outdent. No, we do not remove images because we think the person isn't notable, images illustrate the article and this image is all about this subject. That "Whatshisname" is Finland's friend who co-founded the Tom of Finland Foundation with him; "Whatshisname" is still the president of that foundation which is internationally recognized and active. The caption now more fully explains the relevance of the image to the article as well. -- Banjeboi 22:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

This is not an article about the president of the Tom of Finland Foundation. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)