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Misclassification as Czech-American

I seriously doubt that Mr. Fleischmann would have identified himself as a Czech. He originated from an overwhelmingly German-speaking area of what was then called Oesterreiches Ostschlesien (Austrian East Silesia, from the town of Jaegerndorf. Prior to the WWII, ethnic Czechs constituted only a small minority in the region. It was only after the ethnic cleansing of the Sudentenland by the Communists following the defeat of Germany in WWII, with its attendant wholesale expulsion of the German residents from this region, that it became a Czech-speaking region.

I believe that the fact that this area was incorporated into Czechoslovakia during the post-1918 breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire has lead to the mis-classification of Mr. Fleischmann, who died in 1897, as a Czech, a designation that I believe he would have found quite inexplicable and artificial. I have therefore removed links designating Mr. Fleischmann a Czech, as they tend more to reflect an artificial, modern-biased perspective of the history of this region.

Additionally, I see no evidence of Jewish ancestry mentioned in the article. Perhaps he was, as Jaegerndorf had a thriving Jewish community at that time. However one should be cautious in jumping to conclusions based purely on a name: Fleischmann is a name of Germanic origin held both Jews and non-Jews alike. This point should be better clarified if someone has more information. NDM (talk) 06:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 I seriously doubt that Mr. Fleischmann would have identified himself as a Czech.  He originated from an overwhelmingly German-speaking area of what was then called Oesterreiches Ostschlesien  (Austrian East Silesia, from the town of Jaegerndorf.  Prior to the WWII, ethnic Czechs constituted only a small minority in the region.  It was only after the ethnic cleansing of the Sudentenland by the Communists following the defeat of Germany in WWII, with its attendant wholesale expulsion of the German residents from this region, that it became a Czech-speaking region.
-I believe that the fact that this area was incorporated into Czechoslovakia during the post-1918 breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire has lead to the mis-classification of Mr. Fleischmann, who died in 1895, as a Czech, a designation that I believe he would have found quite inexplicable and artificial.  I have therefore removed links designating Mr. Fleischmann a Czech, as they tend more to reflect an artificial, modern-biased perspective of the history of this region.
+I believe that the fact that this area was incorporated into Czechoslovakia during the post-1918 breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire has lead to the mis-classification of Mr. Fleischmann, who died in 1897, as a Czech, a designation that I believe he would have found quite inexplicable and artificial.  I have therefore removed links designating Mr. Fleischmann a Czech, as they tend more to reflect an artificial, modern-biased perspective of the history of this region.
 Additionally, I see no evidence of Jewish ancestry mentioned in the article.  Perhaps he was, as Jaegerndorf had a thriving Jewish community at that time.  However one should be cautious in jumping to conclusions based purely on a name: Fleischmann is a name of Germanic origin held both Jews and non-Jews alike.  This point should be better clarified if someone has more information. [[User:Expertfp1|NDM]] ([[User talk:Expertfp1|talk]]) 06:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)