Talk:Butterfly stroke

butterfly stroke is really easy as long as you have the right techneque, it works better if you concentrate more on your arms as the kick is really simple.

WP:CITE

I've added the {{cite-sources}} template to the head of the article, because it's full of opinions, particularly to how difficult butterfly stroke is. There needs to be at least one reliable authoritative source which comments on the technical difficulty of the stroke cited, which would justify a lot of what is wrong with the article. BigBlueFish 20:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, IMost students' is ambiguous and not true. I swim breaststroke and I can tell you that I think breaststroke is every bit as hard, because as fly techniqure gets better it gets easier, but it's the opposite for breaststroke. Not to mention, most of my team is in agreement. It's harder to take fly slow, but easier to go fast. So let's avoid such words.Collun 02:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

speed?

Something seems to be wrong with the speed listed here. This article states that front crawl swimmers can achieve ~3.5 km/h, which is less than 1m/s. The breaststroke article states that breaststroke swimmers can achieve ~1.6m/s, and breaststroke is obviously slower than the front crawl. 83.8.24.64 (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

If I swim butterfly will I have a top speed of 3.168 km/h? I had no idea that all who swim butterfly, freestyle or breastroke have the same top speed...makes the Olympics a bit pointless doesn't it? Not only that but butterfly's "top speed of 3.168 km/h (1.98 MPH), [is] slightly under freestyle at 3.472 km/h" even though the "peak speed of the butterfly is even faster than that of the front crawl" (which is the only stroke used in freestyle). Life continues to amaze. Constan69 (talk) 12:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

diagram

This article needs a diagram like the following: http://xc8.xanga.com/b72c241669435153854927/b114990784.gif --Rajah (talk) 22:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

terminology

Twice now I've changed "freestyle" to "front crawl". The name of the stroke is "front crawl". The name of the event in which it's typically performed is "freestyle". In "freestyle" events, one may swim any of a set of strokes, including the front crawl. Therefore, to insist on changing "front crawl" back to "freestyle" in an article discussing various strokes is moronic. Go read the other swimming articles and edify yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.15.234 (talk) 07:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for harsh words, but please stop reverting this change. The term freestyle simply does not belong in a list of swimming strokes. If you must, put (a.k.a "freestyle") or something similar next to it. It is true that many people call the front crawl "freestyle" because it is the stroke typically swum in freestyle events, but this is slang and can be misleading (one has no obligation to swim the front crawl in a freestyle event). The other swimming articles on wikipedia bear this out. 99.172.15.234 (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

copied from WQA. Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC) Freestyle swimming is plainly not a redirect. In that article, it is noted that the two terms are synonymous in essence, especially when referring to competitive strokes. Having been a competitive swimmer for the past 9 years and having learned lessons long before, I haven't heard it referred to as the front crawl since I was in the lessons stage. The usage of the term in context with the rest of the paragraph means that it doesn't really matter which, and as freestyle was the term first used, I am unsure why it needs to be changed.
As for your lack of good faith... /shrug. I've had worse.
Ncm: Feel free to move this to the talk page of butterfly stroke if you wish. --Izno (talk) 04:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)