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August 27

Lost password?

How to change it or recover it? I may not have registered an email initially, and I tried to create a new account and was told that the username was already in use. Yes, I know, because it is my username.

Even worse, I can find no pages that address this fairly common issue.

thnaks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.190.232 (talk) 04:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

If you have not registered with an email address, I'm afraid there is no way to recover your password. You'll just have to get a new account if this is the case. If you have included an email adress, then you can get a new password sent to it from the email new password option on Special:UserLogin. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 04:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Also see the discussion above. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 04:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Maybe Wiki should consider requiring an email for registration as does the rest of the free world for this reason alone. Or maybe changing the log-in register box so that it doesn't require scrolling down the page to enter an email address. I really believe that this is a mediawiki issue, since my keychain log-in just quit working here, and hasn't at any other sites, including my banks and numerous blogs and forums that I visit, including one that I admin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.190.232 (talk) 05:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

If you like the username then you may be able to usurp it depending on its history, or request a new name so close to the old one that you are not allowed to create it yourself. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

definition for cable assembly and harness

i want to know the differnce between cable assembly and harness through their definition and application. thanks very much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthurleenanjing (talk • contribs) 06:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried the article on cable harness? If that doesn't give you the information you need, you can try asking at the reference desk, since they specialize in knowledge questions. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 06:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

semi protected page

how can i access a semi protected page Parafan 2 (talk) 06:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Your account needs to be autoconfirmed. This should already have happened by now, since it requires only 10 edits and 4 days. Are you editing through a Tor network? If so, the limits will be higher than this. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 06:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

My mistake. sorry. Parafan 2 (talk) 06:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Include my email address when other people are notified of changes I make

I just noticed the option "Include my email address when other people are notified of changes I make" in my preferences. I've never heard of the functionality to get notified of changes; how can I access this? Who gets these notifications, and why would anyone want to indiscriminately give all of these people one's e-mail address? — Sebastian 06:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The feature to get email notification of changes is disabled in the English Wikipedia so I don't think the quoted option has any effect here currently. See mw:Manual:$wgEnotifWatchlist and mw:Manual:$wgEnotifUserTalk for the disabled MediaWiki features. Although disabled they were actually displayed in preferences for a couple of months until recently (see bugzilla:19468 and rev:52762). I guess your option should also have been removed. Some people show their email address (or in some cases an easily thrown away alternative email address) in many places, for example user page, own website, public mailing lists. See also Disposable e-mail address. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and the many links! I must say, I'm a bit more confused now, because I don't see the connection between what you say (DEAs, or users writing their e-mail address in their user page) and the feature (sending my e-mail address to others), but since it isn't used now, I'm not worried about that for now. — Sebastian 17:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It was just a comment on your last question which wondered why people would give away their email address. I guess you are protective of yours to avoid spam and abuse but many others freely give it away. I can easily imagine people who are rarely on Wikipedia and want others to be able to easily contact them about edits they have made, without having to use Wikipedia's email feature. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Template help

What is the difference between

{{otheruse}}

and

{{otheruses}}

?--Mikespedia (talk) 07:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The former allows you to specify up to 4 other possible articles the user might be looking for. The latter will give a link to a disambiguation page. There are formats of otheruses that allow you to do other formats, but these are all mentioned in the documentation at Template:Otheruses. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

They give the same result when written without parameters like that. {{otheruse}} can take a bunch of parameters which are not present in {{otheruses}}. Variations like {{otheruses4}} also have parameters but are not identical to {{otheruse}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Fix infobox at Broadmoor Hospital please

Hi, this is a complicated template code problem I think. In the infobox at Broadmoor Hospital in addition to the image is the text [[Image: 225px|]] which should be removed. I can't figure out the problem, but it might have something to do with {{Infobox Hospital}}. The {{Location map}} code used in the infobox seems to render ok by itself.--Commander Keane (talk) 08:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Hiya! The first thing that was wrong is that the map should not be against the "image" parameter. You need to use the "map_type" parameter. Also, instead of Location map|Berkshire, it wanted just "Berkshire". Why, I'm not entirely sure, but I went to a hospital I'm familiar with, Frenchay Hospital, and looked at how they did it! Hope that helps. Maedin\^talk 08:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Change in policy?

I'm seeing these news articles about Wikipedia implementing editing oversight. Where's the official discussion or FAQ? Clarityfiend (talk) 11:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It's just a two month trial (initially, at least) and naturally the media organizations are going to town with it. See Wikipedia:Flagged protection and patrolled revisions. The trial is not yet exactly scheduled. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 11:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

This discussion may be informative as well. TNXMan 13:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Using wikipedia articles on travel info websites

Hi,

I'm creating my own travel portal website on India in which I want to give information on all states, districts, places to visit and many more. I want to know if I can use Wikipedia articles for my website. I'm ready to give credit to Wikipedia in the credit page of my website. Please let me know if there is any policy or rule to use the content of Wikipedia.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.160.127.70 (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You can reuse Wikipedia content if you follow specific rules regarding attribution and such. See Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. Xenon54 / talk / 11:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You might want to look at Wikitravel, as well, as that site is more travel-specific. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 19:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

qui

How do you add qui (online/offline) system?Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 13:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Follow the instructions at User:TheDJ/Qui. And remember that Wikipedia is not Facebook so don't be going online and offline every 5 minutes and don't have friend lists of 300 users, because you can be blocked. Xenon54 / talk / 13:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Discussion Pages

I notice that there is a project page for each wikiproject. I also notice that these project pages have discussion pages. Is the discussion page only for discussing the wikiproject page, or is it for discussing the entire wikiproject? Is the discussion page just for suggesting improvements to the project overview article, or can it be used to make suggestions about what kinds of articles should be included in the project, what image should represent the project, and so forth? MathEconMajor (talk) 13:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a place for pretty much any discussion about the WikiProject. Discussion about specific articles should go on the article's talk page. Xenon54 / talk / 13:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleting an article

A while back I created the article Nickolay Mladenov, however I have just become aware of the existence of another article on the subject listed as Nikolay Mladenov. I would therefore like to delete the former article if possible. Many Thanks Flaming Ferrari (talk) 13:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I've redirected your page to Nikolay Mladenov, instead of deleting it (the title appears to be common misspelling). Let me know if that's what you wanted. TNXMan 13:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Good idea! thanks! Flaming Ferrari (talk) 14:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

How do I change the list of Alternative Medical Syatems

Under the Category:Alternative medical systems, there are currently 7 subcategories. I would like to add an additional subcategory entitled "Colon hydrotherapy" as a recognized sub category to Alternative Medicine. Please let me know how this can be accomplished. Thank you for your time. Dick hoenninger (talk) 15:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You create a category the same way you create an article (at this red link - Category:Colon hydrotherapy). Then, you just add the cat to the pages (removing the parent cat). hmwitht 15:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Addendum: You add a category to a page by adding [[Category:Colon hydrotherapy]] to the bottom of the page by the rest of the cats. hmwitht 15:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I have completed those tasks, and the changes have not been reflected. I understand it may take some time to be updated. Any idea how long that should take?

Once again, thank you for your time.Dick hoenninger (talk) 16:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Image help

Am trying to replace existing pictures with new ones, can anyone assist?

Its not high level stuff just a soccer club crest and colours.

MG —Preceding unsigned comment added by FTFC Fan (talk • contribs) 15:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

You need to become autoconfirmed by making 10 edits and waiting 4 days from account creation. For the crest, go to File:Fleettownfc.jpg and click "upload a new version of this file". See Wikipedia:Uploading images for more. Changing the kit colours is very complicated, and I suggest you go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football for help. Xenon54 / talk / 16:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Project tags

Is there a script that helps you add project tags to the talk pages of articles (sort of like User:TheDJ/HotCat)? Theleftorium 16:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Is AssessorTags what you are looking for? It seems to be pretty new and only supports a few WikiProjects, but you can suggest a project to be added. Xenon54 / talk / 16:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Stubs

How can I indicate a stub ? Wild mine (talk) 17:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Just add the appropriate stub template at the bottom of the article. They'll look like this: {{stub}} and you can read more about them on this page. TNXMan 17:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion?

The photo at Harvey Milk#Briggs Initative has been tagged as up for Speedy Deletion by a bot, but It doesn't seem to be when you got to the image's page. It has OTRS approval or something. What gives?----occono (talk) 17:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It was up for speedy deletion, so the bot tagged the image wherever it was used. A little while ago, permission to use the image was received, and the speedy tag was removed from the image. I'm fairly sure the bot would have removed the tag from the article itself on its next run, but I've gone ahead and removed it now. So, all settled I think. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, alright, thanks.----occono (talk) 17:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle

Can any autoconfirmed user use Twinkle? Dogposter 18:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, yes, but I also remember hearing that there is a blacklist for users that have misused it. Kotiwalo (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Should this be deleted?

Etc (band). It has lots of problems.----occono (talk) 18:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Depends. If the subject is notable, it's better to fix those problems instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Kotiwalo (talk) 18:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I reverted it a few dozen edits. Better?----occono (talk) 18:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

My First Question

I need all details about windows 2003 server an example Shortkey, features, and etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Signnature (talk • contribs) 18:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

http://microsoft.com or have you tried the computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.. – ukexpat (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Mars?

I see a very bright star moving from east to west in the southern sky. Is this Mars or what am I seeing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.150.0 (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Possibly. You may want to read our article on Mars or ask at the science reference desk, as they may be able to answer your question. TNXMan 20:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are in the middle latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere you may be seeing Jupiter, which is currently very noticeable in the southern evening sky. This site has useful maps of the current sky seen from various latitudes, and Jupiter's position is clearly marked in this one. Karenjc 21:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting image names

There is an image on commons which I want to use in an article. Unfortunately, there is another image on the English Wikipedia with the same name. How can I get to use the commons image? --Geronimo20 (talk) 22:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia image is only used on one article (Bass guitar) at the moment - perhaps it could be renamed as 'Stingray guitar'? I'm not sure how to go about that though. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 23:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't find a way listed to rename it. I'm guessing that perhaps an admin will have to delete it and restore it to a different name (unless they can directly rename it). -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 23:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

August 28

deleting accounts

does anyone know how i can delete my account? i dont like wikipedia and i dont want my account anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenderstrat6485 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't, because then your edits wouldn't be attributed to anyone and that would cause problems when someone wants to reuse content. But you do have the right to vanish. Xenon54 / talk /

Or alternatively, just don't log into your account. As Xenon says, it can't be deleted, but you don't need to do anything with it - there are thousands of accounts which are not used any more.

However, can I point out that as you only created your account 48 minutes before you posted this, having had an article you created ('We du patrix') deleted in that time, it does not really look like you gave Wikipedia much of a chance! Assuming that you read this, may I suggest you give it a bit longer before saying that you don't like it? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 06:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Washington Post carries an article by the Associated Press, who is the publisher?

When I'm adding a cite to an article carried by the Washington Post (among many other news outlets), but written by the Associated Press, who is the publisher? Is it the Washington Post or the Associate Press? Or does it even matter? The reason why I ask is this edit[1]. Basically, the AP story was carried by numerous sources. The article previously linked to CBSNews.com but that link is broken. So I changed it to the WP which also carried the story. When I got to the part about the publisher, I changed it from CBS News to Washington Post, but I'm wondering if the Associate Press should get credit. Or does it even matter? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Woohoo! I've always wondered that myself. Thanks for asking it.Cptnono (talk) 01:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

{{cite news}} includes the option to add the agency= field for wire sources. Nanonic (talk) 02:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

In the example given, the author, Justin Pope, writes for AP New York, so I'd default to crediting the agency, as did the Washington Post. HighWire still has the article (for pay).LeadSongDog come howl 03:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I've always just used the publication it appeared in (in this case, the Washington Post), as that is where it can be directly verified. In the very unlikely event that there was a difference in the Washington Post article, which isn't in the AP original, then the difference may be part of what the article is being cited for, and the WP look-up would find it, whereas the AP wouldn't. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 06:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I always just say the name of the website or something, TBH.....>_>----occono (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It's rather a question of WP:V vs. WP:RS, isn't it? Are we trusting the work because of the author, the agency, the newspaper, or the archiver? I submit that while many independent archives will hold the article, including your public library's microfilm collection, the fact checking rarely goes beyond what the agency provides. In the (now all too rare) cases where a good newspaper adds further content to the wire it will attribute "with files from the Associated Press" or similar. Such rare cases are almost always stories with local content. LeadSongDog come howl 19:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Paragraph strangeness

Could someone have a go at making the third paragraph in Nasutitermes_corniger#Associations into two separate ones where it starts talking about the bat? I've tried about 5 times and for some reason it stubbornly won't make a new paragraph even when I use <br/>! Thanks. Smartse (talk) 02:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. Maybe it's just a display problem in your browser. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 02:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that looks fine for me now, dunno why it was being so strange! Smartse (talk) 02:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Smartse (talk) 02:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ostrich

I can not beleive Wikipedia does not want acknoledge Somalian Ostrich. Yes there is Ostrich in Sudan but not in Ethiopia, are you serious. Two places get it right, Sudan and Somalia. They are called Somalian Ostrich. Thank you <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.65.192 (talk) 06:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Reliable source for this info, please? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 06:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The article clearly mentions there are Ostriches in Ethiopia. Quote from article: S. c. molybdophanes in southern Ethiopia, northeastern Kenya, and Somalia, is called the Somali Ostrich. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 07:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

This and other sources agree the Somali Ostrich is also found in Ethiopia who even put it on stamps [2] about Awash National Park and Yangudi Rassa National Park. Your IP address is American but you appear emotional about the issue. I wonder whether you have Somali origin and don't want to accept that "your" Ostrich also lives with the enemy. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes I do have Somali Origin, but I do not beleive Ethiopia is the enemy of Somalia. You don't hear any good news come from Somalia these days and I thought mentioning Somali Ostrich will make people see the good side of Somalia.

I sould have read the hole article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.87.68 (talk) 04:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Creating a Template for a Basketball Team Roster

I want to create a template for basketball team rosters of Liga Pilipinas, a regional league in the Philippines, but the only templates available are for PBA rosters, and I do not have any idea or clue about creating templates. Now my questions are: What should I do now, and How do I create a template... Please I need your help... Thank you very much!! BULARAN (talk) 07:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC) by User:BULARAN

You could perhaps ask at WikiProject Templates talk or WikiProject Basketball talk where folks know about Templates and basketball respectively - and some will know about both! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

See {{mem}}, which can be extended by request. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Is facebook public domain

Can I copy an image off a facebook fan page and use it in a Wikipedia entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SkaraB (talk • contribs) 08:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Such images are most probably copyrighted by the people who upload them (some are actually copyright violations), and unlikely to be in the public domain. So it's not a good idea to copy anything from Facebook here. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 08:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

As Chamal said, it's not a good idea. Even if the image is a photograph of a famous person that was uploaded onto Facebook by the photographer (which could be put on Wikipedia by the photographer), you would need to get that photographer's permission to use the image on Wikipedia, and the verification would be a bit of a pain, to be honest. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok many thanks! Jeesus it is hard to find licensed images!

SkaraB (talk) 14:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Try using {{Flickr free}}. What are you looking for images of? Also see Commons:COM:CB for examples of copyright problems with many types of images. --Teratornis (talk) 06:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Getting into an Edit War with a vandal, help!

Etc (band), see the edit history.----occono (talk) 09:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Warn the vandal (WP:WARN), if it doesn't cease, report to WP:AIV. Kotiwalo (talk) 09:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

OK. People have been re-adding that vandalism a lot though, going by the history.----occono (talk) 09:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Remember that vandalism has to be rather blatant in order to be vandalism. Newbie test edits have their own warnings, as do additions of unsourced content etc... Vandalism warnings should be used only when it is very obvious that the user is trying not to help, but to do harm. You should consider using Twinkle if you plan to hand out warnings a lot. Kotiwalo (talk) 09:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I know :) The edits to the article I'm talking about def. count as blatant vandalism though.----occono (talk) 09:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked them. Blatantly negative unsourced BLP. I think there is a specific user warning for that as well but the vandalism one is general enough to do. Kotiwalo (talk) 09:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the two things are different and it's better if you can give a specific warning. See WP:UTM for a complete list of warning templates. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 09:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Still going on. I put up a final warning, somebody please AIV if that needs to be done, as that's all too confusing for me.----occono (talk) 10:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The Artieandearl account is a Single-purpose account. I've not checked the other accounts, but perhaps they are too. Could a Checkuser be asked to see if they are all the same IP? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

One other is also a SPA. Didn't check the rest. Does it matter? If a CU is necessary, WP:SPI is the way to go, but I doubt it (behavioral evidence is sufficient for sockpuppets, most of the time). If this happens again, a block would probably be appropriate even w/o CU. Tim Song (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

the worst

1.which is the worst version or release of microsoft? 2.what is the protocol for receiving email? 3.INFOSYS'S BPO name? 4."wave of Synthesis" related to? 5.where was the first computer installed in India? 6.ISAM stands for? 7.what is the freely available server? 8.DSL stands for? 9.another name for malicious hacker? 10.ellipse in E-R daigram means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.68.64.146 (talk) 10:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Please ask factual questions at Wikipedia:Reference desk.----occono (talk) 10:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. Thank you. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 10:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Creating a new Term & Definition

Yes, I am new to Wikipedia, Facebook, and eHow. At my age I am slow to learn, but my mind is a Steel Trap. I don't know where to go to write a new Wikidictionary Term and to define it so that I may write to it.Leo Burrell 12:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are looking to add word definition, you need to do so at our sister site, Wiktionary, which is a dictionary. This is Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, and is a different sort of reference work than a dictionary is. --Jayron32 12:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as he asked for "Wikidictionary", I think all he needed was the link to it :)----occono (talk) 12:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Text message

How i correect a misspell text message? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.144.121 (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

A text message as in a cell phone text message? You can't - once it's sent, it's sent. (Future questions like this should be taken to the reference desk.) Xenon54 / talk / 13:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

What message? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Publishing on Wikipedia

Edited a post in the sandbox yesterday and searched everywhere for a way to publish.

Instructions not clear at all. No procedure or dynamic user functions evident.

Please advise on procedure for publishing an article.

Epmayer (talk) 13:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I left a welcome on your talk page with useful information. I suggest you edit some articles first; when you gain familiarity, then see Wikipedia:Your first article. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Your article ended up in the tutorial sandbox, which is cleared every so often. Please read the Business FAQ, Wikipedia's rules regarding advertising, and notability guidelines for companies. Xenon54 / talk / 13:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I started to move the work completed so far to an EPmayer sandbox, but I realized I don't know how to do that. Can someone tell me? The article is not close to acceptable shape, but it would be a shame to lose the work.--SPhilbrickT 13:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

<-EPMayer, many of us are aware that new contributors find Wikipedia confusing, and are interested in making it easier for new people to find what they need. You mentioned that you "searched everywhere for a way to publish". You were on this tutorial page, which has links at the top of the page to a Help Index, a FAQ and an Editors Welcome, each of which has information on how to publish. Can you tell me if you went to any of those links and didn't find the information, or did you not think to try any of those links? I'm just trying to learn from your experience how the presentation of information can be improved.--SPhilbrickT 13:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Go to his contribs, click on the date of the most recent edit to the tutorial sandbox, then click "edit", then cut the text out, then paste it in a personal sandbox. Xenon54 / talk / 14:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I copied your material into a page that should not get overwritten or deleted here

At some time, it might make sense to invite others to provide feedback by posting a page where you can ask for feedback, but I don't think it is ready yet.

Consider looking at other existing bios for examples of how an article is structured. You can read about WP:LAYOUT or you can look at an example, such as Carl Hagenbeck. I'm not listing this article as an example of the best, but as someone in a related field. --SPhilbrickT 14:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux

Reffering to the above Wikipedia page, In particular this statement "Some of these games can be run on Linux with a compatibility layer like Wine or Cedega. Those that rely on copy protection or undocumented features require much more effort in order to work properly. Since Wine is not an emulator it can, and does, obtain native speed, sometimes surpassing that of Windows" of this section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux#Gaming, reference number 65 refers directly to another Wikipedia article. I know this is against Wikipedia guidelines for referencing and I would like to know what steps should be taken to fix this, it seems more of an opinion that fact and I beleive the statement could even consitute vandelizem as it is directly demeaning Windows operating systems.

Reference number 65 refers to another Wiki, not a Wikipedia article. But you're right, Wiki's that are free to edit by anyone aren't generally reliable sources. It is not vandalism, since vandalism is always blatantly bad faith, but if it is unsourced, the statement should be challenged by adding a {{fact}} tag after it. If not fixed soon, challenged statements may be removed.

By the way, the page on Wine Wiki is immutable, meaning that it can't be edited. This is better, but there is a conflict of interest. We would need a reliable source. Kotiwalo (talk) 14:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

OK I have gone ahead and deleted the (so called) reference and replaced it with the tag.

(edit conflict) Reference 65 said:

Wine Wiki. "Benchmark tests for WINE".

There are two links. The first link Wine is to the Wikipedia article about the author of the reference. References often include a link to the Wikipedia article about the author and this is encouraged. The actual reference is the second link Benchmark tests for WINE. The author Wine is a wiki but there are thousands of wikis and this one is unrelated to Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia. I have not tried to determine whether the Wine reference satisfies Wikipedia:Reliable sources and whether the article Comparison of Windows and Linux satisfies Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If you think there are problems then you can bring it up on the talk page at Talk:Comparison of Windows and Linux. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the extra bit of information PrimeHunter.

Renaming and deleting articles

How to delete or rename articles?--Mikespedia (talk) 14:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Only admins can delete an article. Renaming is accomplished by moving. Most skins have a move tab, which is visible to autoconfirmed users. See WP:MOVE. --AndrewHowse (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Reporting baised Wikipedia user CaliforniaAliBaba

Administrators, please have a look at the article Dong Tsoe. This has been requested for deletion by CaliforniaAliBaba who has a history of deleting any articles that are not South Korea friendly or North Korea friendly in the content. For example, the articles Koreans in the United Kingdom, Koreans in Germany and Koreans in France, there were inputs about South Korean refugees in these countries as the general public's perception is that there are only North Korean refugees (when in fact there are refugees from South Korea as well), but any mention of existence of political refugees in the UK, Germany and France from South Korea (in spite of references) has been deleted, again, by CaliforniaAliBaba who is obviously biased towards South Korea and against North Korea. He has now called for Dong Tsoe to be deleted as well, as he apprently doesn't feel comfortable with the fact that South Korea has a history of human rights abuse and the West taking South Koreans as refugees for decades. Please Administrators look into this case. Wikipedia should be neutral to inform, not show biased views.

The user is correct in tagging the article for speedy deletion. The man isn't notable enough to be included Wikipedia. The article was earlier created and deleted under a different name. Since the new article still does not have reliable sources to prove notability, it is eligible to be speedily deleted under criterion G4. Xenon54 / talk / 15:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule

Does the three revert rule only apply to reverting the same page three times in 24 hours? I want to know because I would like to help revert vandalism. Dogposter 14:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The 3RR rule does not count if you are reverting vandelizem, you can revert blatent vandelizem as many times as needed without breaking the 3RR policy.

But yes, the 3RR is for reverts to a single page. Gonzonoir (talk) 14:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Gonzonoir's absolutely right about blatant vandalism, but please do note that the criteria for vandalism are very well defined. WP:3RR applies unless you really are reverting clear, unarguable vandalism; multiple reverts during a dispute over content wouldn't be exempt, for example, if the other user was editing in good faith. Thanks for wanting to help revert vandalism here - it's an important job and greatly appreciated by other users. Karenjc 17:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It is also worth noting that you are not "safe" from being blocked if you technically do not violate WP:3RR. You can be blocked for edit warring even if you keep it to under three reverts, or spread your reverts over several articles, or wait 25 hours for the fourth revert, or anything like that. All that needs to be clear to an administrator is that you intend to commit the same edit over and over to force others to accept your favored version of an article. Reverting even once a day, if done repeatedly, could be taken as clear edit warring and may lead to a block. The best thing is to leave the version you DON'T like visible, and instead discuss proposed changes on the article's talk page. --Jayron32 18:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC) P.S. The above does not apply to blatant vandalism (such as adding swear words to articles or stuff like that). However, vandalism is not a synonym for "stuff I don't like"... It is very narrowly defined. --Jayron32 18:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Article "Cor anglais (English horn)

Should the article be renamed to one of the two names in the title?--Mikespedia (talk) 14:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

If you look at Talk:Cor anglais (English horn)#Cor Anglais v. English_Horn, you'll see this is more controversial than one would think. It appears the current name is a compromise in an long-running Anglo/American dustup. It probably violates some WP:MOS guideline somewhere, but since English horn and Cor Anglais both redirect to the correct article, I'd leave sleeping dogs lie myself. No real harm done, and no sense turning this into another WP:LAME#Yoghurt or Yogurt issue. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

create united account for all Wiki Projects

I registered in hewiki under the user name Hanay. On August 20, 2009 I created united account for all Wiki Projects. I found that this user name is already opened in enwiki on 13 February 2007, but no one is using this user name. Can you help me and guide me how to transfer this user name in enwiki to me? Thanks, Hanay

Use Wikipedia:Changing username/SUL. All instructions are on that page. Dendodge _T\^C 15:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Fore ease, here's a direct link. Replace CURRENT NAME with the username you are logged in with (you will need to create an account if you don't already have one), and REQUESTED NAME with Hanay. Dendodge _T\^C 15:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

submitting an bio entry

I am and artist and I would like to have an entry on myself in Wikipedia. How do I go about doing this. 16:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cellobird (talk • contribs)

Short answer, you don't. Long answer: If you meet Wikipedia's notability criteria someone will write an article about you sooner or later, but you should not as you have a conflict of interest. There are other options such as Wikipopuli and Wikibios. – ukexpat (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You may also make a request at the requested articles page. TNXMan 16:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Alien Breed (band)

Hi there! There's also a band with the name Alien Breed and they played a rather famous song, called Colorblind. Is it possible to create an article about Alien Breed (band)? I tried to create this article but I stopped because my English is still too bad for that and because of the reason that I'm rather new here, I don't know how to add infoboxes and so on. BigKing197cm (talk) 17:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you create it first as a user subpage, such as User:BigKing197cm/Alien Breed (band) so you can work on it at your own pace without fear of it being deleted? I created the subpage for you. – ukexpat (talk) 17:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyrighted Issues

Hi, I recently have been trying to contact wikidmedia-commons regarding the copyrighted problem of the images I uploaded. In the E-mail, I already receievd a reply from wikimedia that allows me to upload those images that I requested; however, when I uploaded them, the problems still exist. When I e-mail wikimedia-commons again, no one reply me for at least three days. Can anyone help me resolving this issue? The ticket number is 2009082010000538. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaseyng53 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I and most other editors don't have access to OTRS tickets. I have mentioned your request at commons:Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#Reply to 2009082010000538. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Kaseyng53, delays of three days are not unlikely. I have added a note to the ticket (email correspondence) informing the OTRS volunteer dealing with it about your request and the fact that the images have been deleted again. He will probably restore them -- or ask someone to do so -- and add a link to the ticket. In future, please add {{OTRS pending}} to the image description pages if you have already sent permission to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. This should avert quick deletion. Regards, —Pill (talk) 20:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, then how long does it take for all my images to be restored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaseyng53 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Some days perhaps, depending on when the volunteer who dealt with your emails has time for it. He was notified about your follow-up mails and my note. —Pill (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

As Pill said, it can take up to a few days. Bear in mind that as is everyone else on Wikipedia etc, the folks at OTRS are volunteers, with real life to deal with as well! Give a couple of days, they should be back by then! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Stopping an automatic redirect

I wrote a new page called vacuum coating. Every time I try to reference it there seems to be an automatic redirect to vacuum deposition. The first sentence says it is redirecting but how do I get ti to quit redirecting? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durhamgoat (talk • contribs) 18:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like you already figured it out. Please let us know if you need further assistance. – ukexpat (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) It seems to work OK for me; you have removed the redirect instruction as part of your rewrite of the page. You may need to bypass your cache in order to see the current version. However, I wonder whether you have created an article on a subject that already existed? The article on Vacuum deposition says "also known as vacuum coating", implying that this is the same process as vacuum coating. Since you appear to have expertise on the subject, perhaps you could look at both articles and see whether this is the case. If so, you could consider incorporating your new material into the existing article and restoring the redirect. If the two subjects are in fact different and both merit articles of their own, perhaps you could clarify the difference in the articles for us? Don't hesitate to ask if you need help. Karenjc 18:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

money question

I know this might seem unusual, but does anyone know what 50 million dollars in 1906 would be in 1991 dollars? Or even in 2009 dollars? If you can give me a cite to find this conversion or if anyone knows it please answer here. Thanks a million!--67.160.195.101 (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.. – ukexpat (talk) 18:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I haven't examined where {{Inflation}} gets numbers from but here are the results. {{Inflation|US|50000000|1906|1990}} says 727037037. {{Inflation|US|50000000|1906|2009}} says 1193888889. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Adolfo De Bareis

Articules —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.216.121 (talk) 19:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

What can we help you with? --Jayron32 19:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Help on displaying a template correctly

Hi. I really like this template and am trying to adapt it for use in a third-party wiki running version 1.15 (I know that's not the same as Wikipedia is using), but it refuses to display properly.

Does anyone know what might be preventing this from displaying properly?

Without uploading a picture, it basically just displays as plain text right from the beginning <template> tag up to the "Color =" and then has a box that looks like

 this 

then it goes back to some plain text until "BarData =" where you get another

 box like this 

The odd thing is I simply copy and pasted the template text, there's no special <pre> tags anywhere in there that I know are used to make the boxes.

Thanks. -- Chupon (talk) 20:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The template uses the EasyTimeline extension. See Special:Version for a list of installed extensions. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome thanks, I'll see if we can get that installed. -- Chupon (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Vintage Magazines

Is there a way to access Ladies Home Journal Magazines for the years 1928-1931?LRJShofner61 (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

A library? – ukexpat (talk) 20:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

This Help desk is actually for answer questions about using Wikipedia! However... Have you read the Ladies' Home Journal article? It has a link to the official website (www.lhj.com). They don't have an online archive from what I can see, although perhaps this would be available through a subscription. Also, have you looked at Google News Search for "Ladies' Home Journal" (1928-1931) - some of those will refer to specific articles. A quick search of Google Web Search didn't reveal anywhere with archives, so as Ukexpat says, you probably need to find a library. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sum of a column of numerical values?

I've been searching all morning and most of this afternoon and I'm more than curious, now- Is there an easy formula for adding all of the numerical values in a single column in a table? That is, to say, a formula that will automatically correct itself when a number is changed or a new row is added? Sort of a "Add all numbers above this spot, yet ignore text". Thanks in advance! Kallnohae (talk) 20:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions, I assume this is connected with the Guild Wars Wiki template you are working at in your SandBoxes? Is there no one at that Wiki who knows about wikicoding? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure there's atleast one person, but unfortunately it doesn't seem within that one person's dignity to reply or check the help section, and nobody else seems to know of any solutions, so I figured that the most widely-used Wiki would have a solution. I've also tried places such as Yahoo answers, still with no luck there, either. Kallnohae (talk) 23:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know of a way to make a wikitext table behave like a spreadsheet, but you can edit your table in a spreadsheet and use a spreadsheet-to-wikitext converter. See the links under WP:EIW#Table, and mw:Extension requests/Before 2007#Spreadsheet. If you don't get an answer here you could try on Help talk:Table. Looks like someone already asked there: Help_talk:Table#Tool_to_add_a_column. --Teratornis (talk) 06:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright info issue

I have uploaded and used images on Jeffrey Hyland page in January this year. 'just learned recently that they have some faulty copyright info. I claimed & stated that I was the copyright holder of the images where in fact they were sent to me by the lead himself to use on his wiki page. I wasn't at all aware that it's going to be a problem. It was my first time to write/post an article & upload images for article use and I still have a LOT to learn in fact. That's one rule that I simply overlooked. How do I get it fixed now please? If I can have the lead (Jeffrey Hyland) upload or release the images himself, but how do I remove my uploads or do i have to? Is there a way that I can just edit and modify the copyright info and reverse it to The work of someone else, who has given permission to use it on Wikipedia or it is a work released under a free license instead of my own work after I asked him to send a "permission email" to (permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org)or after it's approved? This is sort of a prolonged process which I'm willing to take if there's no other simpler solution available. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jxc5 (talk) 22:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You could follow the procedure at Commons:COM:OTRS. If the copyright owner will release the photo under a free content license such as CC-BY-SA then you could upload the photo to Commons. --Teratornis (talk) 06:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It jeffrey is computer-literate, have him create a login and then re-load the images himself over the top of the existing images (i.e., "update" then images.) and then update the name in the copyright notice. Otherwise, use OTRS. -Arch dude (talk) 13:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Need the answer

Resolved

 – moved to Reference desk

I have moved your question to the reference desk, the place to ask for knowledge questions. You can find it here. Intelligentsium 23:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

File history for images

Is there an appropriate template such as {{ArticleHistory}} for files. I am attempting to preserve the history of Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_August_11#File:Pokerstars_20051215_Check.jpg at File:Pokerstars 20051215 Check.jpg. The WP:FFD was closed as no consensus, but Keegan (talk · contribs) who is an oversighter deleted the file due to the Wikimedia Foundation's privacy policy with notice to me to black out or omit private data. I would like to properly document the history of this file on its page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Good question. The Category:Talk header templates doesn't seem to contain a subcategory for file-namespace talk header templates. (I looked at the categories containing {{ArticleHistory}} to see if we have any analogous categories for templates that would apply to files.) You might ask on Template talk:ArticleHistory if nobody answers you here. Or you could ask on Wikipedia talk:Files for deletion. --Teratornis (talk) 06:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

August 29

Editing reference with external link

I am new to this and have been trying to edit a reference with an external link on the SS Ophir page. The alteration I want to make doesn't really need an external link but I have had not success in editing it.Gubby1940 (talk) 00:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you be more specific about the problem? SS Ophir has not been edited since April and your account has no edits other than this post. Maybe Wikipedia:Footnotes is of help. Note you have to edit the section where an inline reference is linked from. All 4 references in SS Ophir are in the lead section so you can click the "edit this page" tab at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I have managed to do this now, thank you. It was a small change. In Reference 3 you had that Joseph Jenkin's log and diary are at the National Library of Wales when in actual fact they are held by the State Library of Victoria. (I have been transcribing the diary). Thanks againGubby1940 (talk) 08:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Bruce DePalma

I am curious to learn why the Bruce DePalma page been deleted?

What is the stated reason/official position on this?

Thanks,

Dan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.117.244 (talk) 07:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

This article was deleted on 9 March 2009. See here for the discussion that resulted in the deletion of the article. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 07:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Mango disease

i am naveed from bahawalpur pakistan.want to ask about mango disease called quick decline or sudden death of mango plants.indications r as mango plant leaves turn dry and then fully die in 3 to 8 days .please send me detailed suggestions along with treatment protection ....thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.152.22.75 (talk) 08:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

If you don't find an answer in the mango article, try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. This Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 08:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

As teb728 says, this Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia, but a quick search under "mango disease" found List_of_mango_diseases, which has links to many articles about particular diseases. Hope this helps, if not, then go to the Science Help Desk. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

You might want to seek professional advice though. We can't guarantee that any information you obtain here are accurate. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 10:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Donation

I can't find Egypt to select on Paypal country drop down menu when I try to donate money to wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.221.140.219 (talk) 10:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried it through the Egyptian Wikipedia? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Mind you, a quick look (using Google Translate) didn't find a donation link, but there might still be one there somewhere - I don't read Arabic, unfortunately. Otherwise, you'll have to pay in US$ - Paypal will convert from Egyptian currency to dollars when they take the money from your card/bank. For a rough conversion of currency, try Egypt Currency Converter -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Please ignore the previous post! Paypal does not cover Egypt (in fact, the list of countries does not seem to include any of the Arabic world Approved Signup Countries. You might need to look at Ways to donate (or طرق التبرع -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It appears PayPal does not cover Egypt. The Google search PayPal Egypt finds many places saying so and Egypt is not listed at https://www.paypal.com/worldwide/. See other options at wikimedia:Donate/WaysToGive/en. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%BCno

According to the above Wikipedia article, in the info-box it states that this movie has made a total Gross revenue of $147,103,117, however according to the reference(http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bruno.htm) it's total worldwide gross is $136,933,838 (a difference of about 10 million). Am I missing something or is this info-box totally wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.161.110 (talk) 11:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I have changed it in [3] to match what the source currently says. It's possible it said something different earlier. Foreign box office figures are often not tracked as well as domestic. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, if you see such discrepancies in the future, feel free to be bold and edit it yourself to match the figure; just make sure to explain that in the edit summary so that an overzealous recent changes patroller does not mistake it for sneaky vandalism. Tim Song (talk) 12:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

In the past I have done such things, however it has lead to a software called Huggle or HG to send me a message saying that I am the one who is vandelizing. So I just see you guys instead of doing it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.161.110 (talk) 12:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that sometimes happens when you don't explain it, and I apologize for that. Our recent changes patrollers sometimes mistake a legitimate edit for sneaky vandalism. I'm a Huggle user myself, and when we see a small edit with no explanation from an IP, there's a pretty good chance that it's sneaky vandalism rather than constructive edit. That is why a brief explanation in the edit summary (e.g., "changed figure to match source") is very important. Tim Song (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It is that type of attitude that annoys me with Wikipedia, quote "when we see a small edit with no explanation from an IP, there's a pretty good chance that it's sneaky vandalism rather than constructive edit" this is supposed a be an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, but when someone does edit it no one bothers to check sources and blames it on someone who is editing from an IP address when they are found to be wrong. I have enough knowledge of Wikipedia to understand how it works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.161.110 (talk) 16:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Also when you say "when we see a small edit with no explanation from an IP" you are implying that everyone should know the rules of Wikipedia before knowing the facts!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.161.110 (talk) 16:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

As Tim Song said, using informative edit summaries to explain your edits is good and reduces the risk that somebody reverts the edit without investigating it carefully. Creating an account also helps and has other benefits. Experience shows that a higher percentage of IP edits than registered edits are unconstructive, and a higher percentage of edits without edit summaries are unconstructive. I understand it can be annoying but consider this: If good faith editors always used a lot of time to carefully look for sources for every unsourced IP edit with no edit summary before considering to revert it, then there wouldn't be time to examine many of the edits. This would increase the risk that constructive edits by you and others are later destroyed by vandals without it being discovered. Yes, mistakes happen, but in a work of Wikipedia's size it may sometimes be better to fix a lot of errors and make a few mistakes along the way than to fix few errors and make no mistakes. If you discover a good but unexplained edit has been reverted then you can redo the edit with an edit summary and source. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, PrimeHunter says it better than I can (difference between a sysop and a newbie rollbacker?). Generally RC patrollers spend (this is my totally unsourced and subjective estimate) like 10 or 20 secs for each edit they encounter, because there are so many edits to review. Certainly there's some collateral damage, but I think that it is justified under the circumstances. I can't speak for all patrollers, but personally, if you redo an edit I just reverted with an informative edit summary, I would not revert without additional checking. Tim Song (talk) 17:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Judging from your talk page Tim Song you should'nt even have the right to make such decisions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.161.110 (talk) 18:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Huh? Feel free to express your opinions at my editor review. All constructive criticisms are welcome. If you feel that I've misused my rollback rights, feel free to file a complaint here. Tim Song (talk) 01:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Help in creating articles

Resolved

 – Article tagged, editor assisted. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 17:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Any way I can ask for editing help in creating an article? I can't do an article all on my own, and maybe a fellow Wikipaedian can help me out. I'm writing an article on low rock. Come see. --Nmatavka (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The way we indicate something is under construction is with an under construction template. (I added one)
A better approach would be to move it to a user subpage, because it isn't yet ready (as you acknowledge) and someone with itchy fingers might still propopose it for deletion. That won't happen in a user subpage. (If you don't know how to do this let me know and I'll do it.)
Then you can ask for help either by asking specific questions here or for general feedback here --SPhilbrickT 12:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) To be honest, having a message at the top of the page reading "This page is a work in progress. Either help, or leave it alone." isn't a good way to encourage help! I see that SPhilbrick beat me to putting a proper template on it to show the status! If you don't think it is ready for being in the main encyclopedia, you can move it to your user space, which would make it less likely to be under threat of deletion. To do this, click on "Move" tab, and for the new title put User:Nmatavka/Low rock. As for help, probably the best places to leave a message are WikiProject Music's Talk Page or WikiProject Rock Music's Talk Page. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

As for specific advice, one of the first things to do is to establish Notability by showing that the term is used in a number of places, including a reliable source--SPhilbrickT 12:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm leaving a message on your talk page about some sources of information. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 13:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Two questions

1. I'm at a loss to explain how this happened. Could someone please enlighten me?

2. Can a user be blocked for being active but not editing the mainspace? (i.e. asking HD and RD questions, user pages, user talk pages, etc.) Xenon54 / talk / 15:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Number 1 - I don't know how that happened either - I'm looking forward to seeing the answer!

Number 2 - yes, if they are vandalising, being abusive, etc -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

1. This edit changed a normal lower case g to a ɡ in {{Infobox Writing system}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

For question 2, I've seen blocks issued to people under the general idea that they are "not here to build an encyclopedia" and/or using Wikipedia as a Facebook/Myspace replacement. TNXMan 16:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Lag

Resolved

 – Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 18:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I made an edit yesterday to Justin Moore (singer), rolling back a copyvio. However, nearly 12 hours later, it still hasn't shown up even though the article correctly shows that it's removed. The servers have been really laggy lately as well. Which leads me to two questions: Why isn't that edit showing up when all my others the past week have, and why are the servers so lousy? We seem to have server issues nearly every week. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 17:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• I added a couple of tables to an article yesterday and they didn't show up for 20 minutes, if the revert you did hasn't showed in the history even 12 hours later, I doubt it will, have you tried cleaning your browser's cache? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 17:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, and I've tried purging. Seriously, we've been lagged as heck all week. What's going on? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 17:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Oh, that's why it didn't show up: I just looked and the last edit made by that guy was a self-revert. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 17:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
      • Yes, that would result in you making a null edit which doesn't show up in the page history. After making a null edit, you return to the article without any indication that you didn't make a registered edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Table, center cell only.

Resolved

 – TiriPon (talk) 20:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I am trying to find how to do this,I guess simple thing, which is center the content of a multiple columns table's cell.

The easy way to center is to center the content of an entire row.

I am trying to align="center" the 1st column and align="left" column 2 and 4. I can only center the entire row for now.

Is there a way to only align center column 1 and leave column 2 and 3 aligned left?

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by TiriPon (talk • contribs) 18:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe there is an easy way to apply a format to a column once it is here. I think you can format it in, say Excel, then import.--SPhilbrickT 19:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

You cannot set alignment of a column in a single place (unless you use a row template). You have to align each cell in that column. See how at Help:Table#Pipe syntax tutorial. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Res judicata prints as iudicata

The article heading Res judicata misprints the "J" as an "i". Why is this? JohnClarknew (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't. The article Res judicata redirect to Res iudicata--SPhilbrickT 19:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, Latin phrases use "i" in the place of "j". That may be where you got confused. TNXMan 19:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I have moved (retitled) the article to its overwhelming common names, where it should have never been moved from, which also solves your printing issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the latin spelling referred to in the article anyway. Your correction makes sense. Thanks. JohnClarknew (talk) 20:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, Fuhghettaboutit, why did you capitalize Judicata in the title? That doesn't match the usage in the article. And the article now begins "Res judicata or res judicata is … ," which doesn't make sense (or at least is confusing). Deor (talk) 22:33, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I moved it to the lowercase title, per MOS, and I fixed the double redirects. hmwitht 22:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I also fixed the lead sentence. hmwitht 23:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The capitalization was me typing too fast. Clearly not a proper noun.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Links to commercial websites in articles (not relevant to content).

Resolved

 – Link removed per WP:ELNO Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 23:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

This article: “Drunk driving (United States)”

 [4]

contains a link, [5], to a commercial website. It is a subscription service for avoiding DUI roadblocks. Is this acceptable Wikipedia practice?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonthaler (talk • contribs) 23:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• I removed the link per the answers on this FAQ page on the site in question, and per WP:ELNO. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 23:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Try Beta

Resolved

 – Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 23:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

If i start trying the beta version of Wikipedia, and then I don't like it, can I go back to the original version?--camr ^nag 23:33, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, no problem. Tried it myself. Garion96 (talk) 23:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

You do it by clicking "Leave Beta", which will be right where "Try Beta" is currently located. hmwitht

August 30

Adoption/Mentorship

I'm interested in moving along the path towards becoming an administrator. The problem is, I appear to be too seasoned/experienced for adoption, yet too inexperienced for admin coaching. What do I do stuck in this middle ground? Thanks, Ks0stm ^(T•C) 00:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

What about editor review? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Right here, and I have since started vandalism fighting (in the form of new page patrolling) and general editing (in the form of tagging pages for maintenance). Ks0stm ^(T•C) 00:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC) More what I was thinking was a one-on-one interaction type process like admin coaching or adoption. Ks0stm ^(T•C) 00:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you familiar with everything in WP:PREP? Have you checked out WP:MRFA? What about WP:GRFA? Most importantly, you've never participated at wp:rfa which I think is one of the most important ways to find out what it takes to become an admin.--SPhilbrickT 01:44, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow...alot to check out...thanks! Ks0stm ^(T•C) 02:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

How do I add a name to a list

I want to add a 3 star admiral to the list of coast guard admirals. I can't figure out how to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.10.1.114 (talk) 00:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I see you have tried to edit Category:United States Coast Guard admirals. That is a category and not a list. Categories can only contain existing Wikipedia articles. An article is added to the category by placing [[Category:United States Coast Guard admirals]] at the bottom of the article. It appears you want to add Vice Admiral William Freeland Rea III but he has no article so he cannot be added to a category currently. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Code issues

Hello. I want to create something such that the expression "Good morning/afternoon/evening" on my user/user talk page will reflect the current time in UTC. How can I do that? Thank you. Intelligentsium 02:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by 'reflect', but have you tried {{time}}? There's also {{CURRENTTIME}}. -- œ^™ 03:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The code you want is this:

• {{#ifexpr: {{CURRENTHOUR}}>15 | Good evening | {{#ifexpr: {{CURRENTHOUR}}>12 | Good afternoon | Good morning }} }}
• Produces: Good morning

I'll reply in detail on your talk page. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

All Caps

Should the title of the chart at Recorder#Recorder fingering be put back to normal writing cases and not all caps?--Mikespedia (talk) 03:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

All caps are not usually used on wikipedia, and is against the manual of style. See WP:ALLCAPS for details. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia dumps

I want to extract the Wiki interlanguage link records dump. Do I need to install Mediawiki, or can I use it automatically on mySQL? Do I need to create the whole Mediawiki database? And how? 212.98.136.42 (talk) 11:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia:Database download? I'm not sure of the details of what to do, and if you can do what you specifically want to do, but that's the place to start. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit count

How do I find out how many edits I've made? I've tried the "Contributions summary and edit count" link at the bottom of my contributions page, but that just says "The editcounter is away for some time. Please use another one." ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 11:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Special:Preferences lists your edit count. Dendodge _T\^C 12:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Alternatively, look at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters which links to edit counters, maybe that will have what you are looking for. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

scotland overseas bank

Is there any bank in UK known as Scotland Overseas Bank or SOV bank of scotland or they are subsidaries to Bank of scotland?