Talk:Ramadan

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Duplicated Section =

The "Prayer and reading of the Qur'an" section shows up twice, this is a minor issue, but I don't know how to fix it. Also there is a reference to Muhammad that says: "...Quran was sent down to Muhammad (peace be upon him)" and I wonder if the "(peace be upon him)" belongs in the context of a wikipedia article? Just minor things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codeles (talk • contribs) 13:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

When?

thia is not ot much of a probelmThis page doesn't mention when Ramadan is, or where one can look to find out.

Try reading the first line of the article. It clearly tells you that Ramadan takes place in the month of Ramadan and links you to an article about that month, i.e Ramadan (calendar month), which explains in detail all you could ever want to know. 86.144.147.182 (talk) 23:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

That's clear once it's explained, but I must admit that when I read the article I wondered how I could find out the dates for a given year. Could perhaps an explanation be added {e.g. "Ramadan is an Islamic religious observance that takes place during the ninth month of the Islamic calendar... In the western calendar, the dates [with link to relevant part of the article on the Isalmic calendar] of Ramadan vary, moving forward about 10 days each year..." (or something like that)}? Just a thought. Ondewelle (talk) 22:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to ecjmartin for the addition. :-) Ondewelle (talk) 19:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! Glad to help!! - Ecjmartin (talk) 19:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Another query:

In the article, it mentions the prophet Muhammed and after each use there is the phrase "Peace be upon him (PBUH)".

FROM THE WIKI ARTICLE: Peace be upon him:

"Peace be upon him is a phrase that Muslims often say after saying (or hearing) the name of a prophet of Islam..."

Surely this is not needed in an encyclopedic article as the author of the encylcopedia is not deemed to be Islamic. I suggest the deletion of the PBUH after each mention of the prophets' name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.235.92 (talk) 12:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Just becase one is not a Muslim doesnt give them the right to be insulting. The PBUH is a blessing. If Muslims say it and because they will be the ones that read this most of all I think this should stay. Please. The only way muslims will respect you and your beliefs is if you respect them and their beliefs. You've already seen the results of ignoring this. Zero (talk) 17:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

So what about respecting the fact that a lot of people do not regard Muhamad as a prophet ? Respect has to be two ways, and Wikipedia should remain neutral ground, don't you think ? --Donvinzk (talk) 18:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Besides we also say Alay-he Salam (Sorry if its written wrong. Its hard to write Arabic in English) after uttering the names of Hazrat Isa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), Ibrahim (Abraham) and all the other Prophets that came before. It means roughly the same thing I think. A Blessing. If we can show our respect for them then you should show respect for ours. Zero (talk) 17:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:MOSISLAM [Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)] explains the standards for Wikipedia dealing with Islamic patterns of blessing persons & cetera... ناهد/(Nåhed) _speak! 21:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Very well then. I was just suggesting this. Your decision. If the Holy Prophet could endure the other Quraish twisting his name then I can endure this. Just be aware that others might not take this so kindly. Even though I urge them to ignore this. Zero (talk) 05:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

• Ramadan startes when people can see the cresent moon...once it has been seen, the priests and shieks say when it is time to fast then u begin fasting...it ends after 30 days —Preceding .140.46.38|72.140.46.38 (talk) 23:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Mess

Parts of this article is a mess. Someone with more knowledge of Ramadan than me should take a look. For instance, you can find sentences like this: Before the Fasts of Holy Ramadan were made obligatory by Allah Almighty, Holy Prophet PBUH used to fast on 10th of Moharram, as on this Date Pharaoh drowned in the Sea,but after the revelation from Allah Almighty, Holy Prophet PBUH left the Fast of 10th Muharram and started Fasting during the Month of Ramadan and asked his followers to observe fast during the Holy Month. I have deleted a big chunk of text copied directly from a copyrighted site, and removed som PBUH's. Ramskjell (talk) 12:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

GOOD EDITS. I read this article and found it informative and (as and atheist) not proselytizing. However, there are studies that show weight gain during Ramadan in some communities (Maghreb). I will try to find this interesting item and any others like it, to include. 98.218.149.74 (talk) 15:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for removing all those 'PBUH's. With all due respect to the Muslim writers, if I write about Jesus I don't think the reader wants to see a big 'PRAISE JESUS!' every time I mention his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.24.106 (talk) 23:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

This article is a mess - agree - and needs to be cleaned up!--Cladding (talk) 09:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

However, there are studies that show weight gain during Ramadan in some communities (Maghreb). I will try to find this interesting item and any others like it, to include. Well, has there any one told you that Ramadan was made for entering a modeling pagent? look, the purpose of Ramadan is the equality between rich and poor people, patience, feeling what others feel, solidarity and many other things. When you end your fast it's up to you whether you eat healthy food or junk food. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.208.82.97 (talk) 17:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The Peace of Ramadan

It is told that in the Month of Ramadan. Muslims are forbidden from fighting. Muslims Armies that were on march used to make camp and move not one step further untill Ramadan was over. The only exception to this rule is when muslims are attacked during this month. Since they are devoted to peace during this month and attacking them causes disruption of that peace, The Muslims are commanded to only fight in case someone attacks them in this holy month. I cant quite remember the verse No. that says this. Can any body else do so. If the verse is found. Please add this information to the Article. For I remember it stated that the Muslims are commanded that if they are attacked during this month they must retaliate with full force to discourage further attempts. However, some of the terrorist muslims have forgotten this and so they continue fighting during this holy month. This is a grave sin. Please. Find the verse. Add this info. Everyone must be warned. The Muslims so that they may stop and The Non Muslims so that they may respect our way of life and not attack us during this holy month, the results could be devastating. This Command of Peace is the Reason Pakistani Government is offering Cease Fire to the Militants in Swat. Zero (talk) 17:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Pagan Origin of Ramadan =

I wonder if its important to note the pagan origin of Ramadan, which is a pre-Islamic festival. I believe it mentions this in the Koran, that Ramadan was an ancient time of peace - also many Islamic scholars allude to the pagan origin. I think if we mention the pagan origin of Christmas or Easter, I think by rights it necessary. We need to fair and equal to all religions, as they are all of the same value - and as an athiest I see it important to show that all religions aren't God-inspired, but socio-politically and culturally inspired, and are formedthrough syncretism. User:Madkafir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.175.117 (talk) 13:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I have never heard of there being a pagan origin for "Ramadan". Ramadan is the name of the month and existed before Islam, as opposed to Christmas and Easter which are *holidays* derived from pagan festivals. Fasting during Ramadan was mandated by Muhammad. Inf fg (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Forced on Muslims by criminal law

This article portrays well the self-improvement ideas of Ramadan. However, it fails to state that observance is forced, and that in many countries, anyone who does not obey (for example, if you drink water during the day) may be severely beaten and/or imprisoned by police. Certainly no one would argue with its 'spirituality' if it were solely a voluntary personal effort. Unfortunately, it is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.24.106 (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC) Yes sadly it happens. Ramadan is the best time to get in touch with God. To do this one must accept it from the bottom of his/her heart not having it forced onto them. And yet the extremists still do this and other cases similar to this. My God punish them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.67.253.203 (talk) 21:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, no body would be beaten nor imprisoned by government in an Islamic country if he/she committed the crime of eating and/or drinking during a Ramadan day unless such a thing happened in public. It's all about demonstrating respect to God's orders, the sacred month and other Muslims feelings as they would be fasting hoping to be rewarded by God who ordered and obligated them to fast on that day. Possibly, if someone would suddenly appear on road devouring a piece of donut in Ramadan before sunset just because of his/her inability to accept to fast from the bottom of his/her little tender heart, then a person like this may be punished and blamed by civilian individuals before the arrival of police. Ramadan is the best time to get in touch with God. As for this reason, it is the best opportunity to obey him and fast so that he may forgive us and eliminate all our evil sins. Otherwise, we would be causing the increase of his anger, as instead of getting more in touch with him we show disrespect and mockery with Islamic rituals in Islamic countries 195.229.241.171 (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC).

Undue weight

I added an undue weight tag to the section concerning a single instance of controversy in a US school. If there is evidence for this being a widespread issue, then it can probably stay but if this is the only instance, it's a bit out of place given this is an article on a rather core issue of the Islamic faith. It would probably be better suited for an article on religious freedoms in the US or something of that sort Nil Einne (talk) 10:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ramadan Events- Please note that the surah revealed on Layla-a-tul-Qadr is Al-Alaq, 96:1-19, where the Angel Gabriel asked the prophet to read in the name of Allah, and the prophet replied that he could not. Surah Qadr talks about this night, but was not revealed on this night. Source: quaranexplorer.com. I am not sure about the other surah, but I think it's wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Interestedparty5 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Expansion request - Health impact

Two questions:

Question one - What level of participation is expected and generally received of the ill and infirm in various parts of the Islamic world and what differences exist between Sunni & Shi'ia practices when fasting? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/27/AR2008092702592_pf.html implies that such differences exist, but doesn't go into depth.

Question two - What impact if any does this have on the health of the population at large and hospital admission rates, be it negative or be it positive?

Just curious, MrZaius^talk 07:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC) Questions updated, MrZaius^talk 10:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to your first question but as for the second, if a person starts to have health problems they are to break the Fast. The purpose of the Fast is not to put people into hardship. Dumaka (talk) 16:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Spelling Change Of This Page

Please move this page to a correctly spelled page.

I, along with many Muslims who want Arabic words to be pronounced correctly, would greatly appreciate it if this page was moved to another page called Ramadaan. Soleado (talk) 21:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. The spelling without letter doubling is far more often used in English. The lead clearly writes the word in Arabic with a clear transliteration pointing out the classically long vowel. — Gareth Hughes (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Disagree, I've never ever seen anyone spell it "Ramadaan" before. ناهد/(Nåhed) _speak! 21:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I've seen it a little, but still disagree. See WP's guidelines on Arabic usage (esp. regarding primary transliterations) at WP:MOS-AR. /Ninly (talk) 21:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

ramadan in space, polar regions

Dear all After the intense discussion about the first muslim in space during ramadan, I have checked many websites how he handled the prayer times. Sadly I found differnent answers, one said he did not have to fasten because he is on a journey, other said that he should use the times of makkah and some were claiming that he saw the moon in differnt shapes--> so no fasting. Interestingly is that similar questions and answers are discussed in the case of muslims living in the polar regions. Can anyone find reliable answers and sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.147.121.244 (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Ramadan 2009

This entry was recently cleaned up. As Ramadan approaches yet again it will be flooded with amendments, additions and external links of a commercial nature. I have tweaked a few phrases for grammar and included viable sourced citations for already existing copy. I have also removed recently added links to Ramadan timetables. The External Links section was removed recently so there is no viable location for such links and they don't really belong in an encyclopeadic entry. If people want to find timetables, they will on Google, no doubt.

The page still needs work with layout and general grammar improvements as well as some of the statements still needing viable sources (reputable outlets, news mediums, journals, books and religious texts) and sections needing expanding or moving around a little as some of it gets a little repetitive. I will work on that as I can.

I will also try and keep an eye on this page as are others, to ensure it remains neutral, up-to-date and non-vandalised. Your viewpoints will assist. thanks. UK 007 (talk) 11:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The new additions and random edits by unregistered users are coming in thick and fast now that Ramadan has begun. This entry is okay in term sof contacts but could be neatened up and expanded on in areas. It definitely needs to be edited to sound more like an encyclopedia entry as suggested. The content however is so far compact and largely fact based, though some citations are still needed. Will try and work on language of entry. UK 007 (talk) 10:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Could someone fix the large blank gaps left by image insertion please? Thanks. UK 007 (talk) 10:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Ramadan 1980

Hello, I am wondering in which day/month did ramadan start in the year 1980. Any help with this is highly appreciated. Thanks for responding. --66.186.34.211 (talk) 13:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)