Talk:Michael Jackson

instruments

Michael played piano, guitar, drums and also beat boxed, this should be changed. --Louis Taylor (talk) 12:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox image

I don't want to set off any edit warring here, so can I ask what other users' thoughts are about the current infobox image (added here)? Is it a) better than the 1984 White House image? and b) is its sourcing as copyright free watertight? The fact that it is on Commons is not necessarily a guide. Personally, I prefer the 1984 White House image.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The image is on Commons here and has some rights reserved with a copyright (in the bottom right hand corner of the picture) attributed to Drew Cohen. I've put back the 1984 picture for the time being.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

What aboout this one?

http://www.broadwayworld.com/columnpic/michael_jackson.jpg

It's Me :) O Yea its me.. Washington95 (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice image, but is it copyrighted? The consensus is that only a free image can be used in the infobox due to WP:NFCC#1. Images found on Google etc are almost certainly copyrighted and cannot be used.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You know, something has to be brought up to Wikipedia about this "fair use" stuff? I mean, Michael has to be one of the most photographed men in the world. Exactly HOW is one supposed to find a non-copyrighted photo of him? MaJic (talk) 23:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Jackson dressed in women's clothing

In 2006 Michael Jackson was caught by photographers dressed in women's clothing in a shopping mall in the Gulf state of Bahrain. Jackson was dressed in a black abaya (a traditional full-length robe), a veil covering his face, dark sunglasses and gloves. Jackson was accompanied by three young, Western-looking children, their faces covered with black veils, and an adult woman wearing an abaya over jeans, her face partly covered, and bodyguards. Shouldn't this be included in the article? Wikiwiserick (talk) 22:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

• Why? --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 22:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

This was shortly after the 2005 trial and shows that Jackson tried to hide his predilection for being with children. Wikiwiserick (talk) 22:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Says who? Rodhullandemu 22:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL MJ HAD three (western) children, as you might have heard, and had no reason to hide the association.FrauBluecher (talk) 01:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Several newspapers reported the event. Wikiwiserick (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's noteworthy enough to include in the article. Jackson was always very aggressive about avoiding paparazzi. What makes this incident special? Mktyscn (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Is he referring to this? http://twitpic.com/h6w0o? MaJic (talk) 23:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No, I think he is refering to this. Mktyscn (talk) 23:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The person photographed dressed in womens clothing, wasn't Michael Jackson. They were fake photos and there is no need to have that info posted on to Michael Jackson's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Scarr (talk • contribs) 08:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Prince

MJ's sons are named for his grandfather, not for the artist generally known as such. Besides I'm pretty sure Prince's name was legally changed in Prince Michael Jackson after the divorce from DR, hence Blanket being II.FrauBluecher (talk) 00:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

source: http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_10577 FrauBluecher (talk) 01:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Second child sexual abuse allegations

Both quotes are out of context. It seems as if Liz Taylor knew Gavin Arvizo. This is not the case, if I am not very much mistaken. She was talking about other children, MJ and herself hanging out. The Dr Katz quote makes it seem as if he was calling MJ innocent, which was not his intention. These quotes should just be deleted. FrauBluecher (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Liz Taylor didn't know Gavin Arvizo, but it think Michael Jackson was introduced to him through Chris Tucker from charity work Chris Tucker did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Scarr (talk • contribs) 08:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Micheal Jackson was not under "sexual Molestation" charges during his "this is it" tour. This trial took place in 2003. Please correct this.

Two statistics

What about the 10 plus million fans on his Facebook site? Make a search on Facebook and you can see by yourself. And another thing, Billie Jean is number 58 on the Rolling Stone magazine's 500 greatest songs of all time. I think it's worth putting them here. --HCQB (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

There are many statistics that could be quoted, but due to the article's ballooning WP:SIZE (136 kilobytes at the moment), anything new needs strong notability.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Instruments

How come under "Instruments", Michael Jackson's has only been listed as vocals. I'm aware no one in public had ever seen Michael playing any intruements.

Michael Jackson is listed on various album notes as having played guitar, keyboard, drums and percussion. For example on the song Morphine he is listed as guitar player (along with Slash) and drums, and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough as percsssion player.

Teddy Riley said in 1992 Rolling Stone Magazine cover article on Michael Jackson that he was a brilliant guitar player ?, and writer of serveral books on Michael Jackson, Adrian Grant who saw Michael working during the HIStory album recording sessions said Michael Jackson was a brilliant keyboard player and that was the instrument he used the most. Adrian Grant has also recently (as has Rodney Jerkins) said Michael Jackson was very technical in the recording studo and could really work it, and is greatly underestimated by the public in the studio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Scarr (talk • contribs) 13:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

didn't michael jackson beatbox [5] and play Piano [6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 01:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Many vocalists can also play instruments; however the infobox should only list what an artist is primarily known for. In Jackson's case it's definitely vocals.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, the infobox used to list Jackson as an inventor due to his work on the anti-gravity lean [7], but this is not something for which he is primarily known.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I still don't see why Michael Jackson should still only be have vocal's listed as intruments played just because he isn't known by the wider public as playing keyboard and drums etc. Madonna is has guitar and percussion listed as intruments played, yet it's widely known her guitar playing (though she can play guitar) is mainly a stage prop and she has never played percussion in public. Even Britney Spears is has piona listed on her page of intruments played as piano yet she's never played piano in public. So I feel thay the intruments Michael Jackson can play should be listed. Espcially since he played guitar, keyboard and drums on quite a number of his songs from 1995-2001, when his participation on playing intruments on his music increased a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Scarr (talk • contribs) 08:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

ben scarr is right also justin timberlake is listed as a beatboxer michael jackson also does this so he sould also be listed as one [8] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 11:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

MICHAEL JACKSON IS VERY WELL KNOWN FOR PLAYING INSTRUMENTS AND SHOULD BE LISTED AS SUCH, BEFORE HIS DEATH HE WAS WORKING ON AN ALL INSTRUMENTAL ALBUM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.57.149.71 (talk) 18:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The infobox is not the best place for a lot of detail. The average person will see Jackson as a singer and dancer, and this is what the infobox says. Jackson's studio albums such as Thriller made extensive use of session musicians, so it is important to avoid giving the impression that he was a primary instrumental contributor to his albums.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)