Talk:Pet Sounds

"Although not a big seller for the band originally?"

This album reached #10 on the charts. Although not as successful as previous albums, I would hardly call it "not a big seller." This is a perpetuation of the myth that Pet Sounds sold poorly. It was a top ten 10 album with hit singles. It just wasn't a #1 album like some of their previous records.

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Just US/UK?

The articles on the Beach Boys' albums are very good, but the mentioning of just US and UK chart positions is frustrating. 165.146.150.108 17:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Well for the most part that is all that is available, but if you have any other chart positions then put them in the articles

Voted 'best' etc.

Also, their positions in those depressing lists of best albums is pretty irrelevant. Perhaps just a mention that they are highly regarded, if they are. If anyone really wants the lists mentioned, they could be footnotes. 165.146.150.108 17:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Font on the cover

Anyone knows the name of the famous font used on the cover? -- 70.132.133.131 18:46, 17 December 2006

Cooper Black. -- Mattbrundage 18:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Bob Dylan and George Martin Quotes:

I used Brian Wilson's actual site as a source for both quotes since they may be found there. The Dylan quote is listed as sourced in Wikiquote (to Newsweek in 1997). A check shows that Dylan was interviewed in the October 6, 1997 issue of Newsweek, but I do not have the means to affirm that this was said in that interview.

If Brian's own site is not to be trusted as a source, then by all means revert to the citation needed version of the page.

LightningMan 19:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Can we remove the merge tag from this article now? From what I can see there has been no discussion, even though it has been tagged for ages. It seems unlikely that we will get any consensus.Mumby 10:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Group members

Could we split the personnel into group members and others? I'm trying to enter the 40th Anniversary edition into my CD database and believe it or not I don't know who was in the group at the time :) --kingboyk 13:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I went ahead and broke up the "personnel" section into two parts: band members and session musicians. piper108 16:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Columbia Studios, Hollywood

Can't find much about this on the web... Was it Columbia Pictures (i.e. the film studios), or Columbia Records? --kingboyk 18:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles' miscellanea

Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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NPOV Problems

This article seems littered with NPOV problems in terms of overcomplimentary statements, along with statements that, while they might be true, are unsourced, and would appear POV until sourced. However, these statements are so multiplicitous and so integrated into the article that I'm unsure of how to rewrite without scrapping 50% of the article. - Some examples from the "Recording" section:

• "The deceptive simplicity of Brian's music often veiled the fact that his arrangements were more musically adventurous and complex than one would expect in pop music."
• "...although much of the fine detail in the arrangements was often covered by the group's rich vocal harmonies, Wilson's arrangements ensured that they interacted effectively with the vocal tracks — often to the surprise of the musicians who performed them."
• "... an ensemble that included some highly regarded session musicians..."

TheHYPO 20:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The first two examples you point out here are pretty obviously biased and would not be appropriate even if they were sourced. The third is largely undisputed; see The Wrecking Crew. —BurnDownBabylon 09:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

While I don't dispute it, I don't think a biased comment has to be disputed to be biased. If the Halle Berry article said something like "Halle Berry is regarded as very beautiful" without citation, you could say that few would dispute it, but it still is a comment on public opinion without sourcing. I'm not sure why calling the work "deceptively simple" and "adverturous and more complex than one would expect" would be inappropriate if it was cited that a music critic or two had said so (obviously, rewritten to say something like "it has been called..."), but calling a group of musicians highly regarded doens't even need citation; I believe both are appropriate if cited, and properly worded.

But anyway, these were just three examples I quickly pulled - much of the article is similarly biased.... there are plenty more (also, lots of quotes are uncited and don't say where they are from):

• "Sloop John B[...]proved to be a pivotal point in the album's development"
• "The real catalyst for Pet Sounds was the US version of The Beatles' new LP Rubber Soul", which is proven by a quote (uncited) that says he was influenced to do a great album - but it doesn't imply that was the "catalyst"
• "Numerous sources have indicated that Love [... was] taken aback by Brian's new sound" - so where are the sources?
• "Love in particular was nonplussed that Brian had completely thrown the tried-and-true formula [...] out the proverbial window." a) uncited b) not the style of writing that should be in an encyclopedia
• "In fairness, Love had developed into an effective frontman by this time, and he may have recognized that the new material would alienate a portion of their audience, which up to that time had been composed of younger, screaming females." - a) an encyclopedia shouldn't be written "in fairness..." nor is it cited that he was a) effective as a frontman, that the fanbase was screaming females" (I'm sure they weren't 100% screaming or 100% female), nor is it right to have anything in an encyclopedia that says "he may have..."

That's just the first x paragraphs in the article. The whole thing reads like an opinion piece, not an encyclopedia article, and it really needs almost total overhauling. TheHYPO 22:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

No objection from me; your criticisms of the present article are quite reasonable. —BurnDownBabylon 04:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm just not sure what to do about it; the only thing I can think of is to either copy the entire article to a sub article (/old) on the talk page for reference, and replace it with only a bare article based on straight fact (tracklist, and referencable items) and hope it builds again from there; and I'm not sure if that's the best solution. TheHYPO 05:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Piero Scaruffi

I removed his review, because I don't find him very professional. He has given many classic albums undeserved low ratings. --James599 (talk) 20:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

You not agreeing with him doesn't make him unprofessional.Dadaesque (talk) 01:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

He doesn't work at any magazines. He isn't get payed for what he does. So that makes him unprofessional. Simple as that. --James599 (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

dog whistles?

The main section talks about unusual instruments including "dog whistles". I know that Wilson had dogs barking at the end, but "whistles" - does anyone have a reference for this, or can point out where exactly on the album "dog whistles" are used?

Roygbiv666 (talk) 19:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Psychedelic rock

Anyone else think this sounds like psychedelic rock? God Only Knows the band used enough drugs while recording it. ^Tezkag₇₂ 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Pet Sounds is the _______th studio album...

Betty kerner and SamuelMaglor have switched this back and forth between ninth to eleventh a few times. So let's count:

• 1st - Surfin' Safari
• 2nd - Surfin' USA
• 3rd - Surfer Girl
• 4th - Little Deuce Coupe
• 5th - Shut Down Vol. 2
• 6th - All Summer Long
• 7th - The Beach Boys Christmas Album
• 8th - The Beach Boys Today!
• 9th - Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!)
• 10th - Party
• 11th - Pet Sounds

Party counts as a studio album, as it was recorded in a studio, with multiple takes for each song and such.

So I'll change it back to 11th album. MookieZ (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree. Those were 11 albums (not counting the Christmas one). Maybe in other countries their discography is different, but here the US discography is taken into account.--Betty kerner (talk) 15:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Genre

Pop??? It's a poor term for these classical sounds! All sounds of pet sounds are art rock, psychedelic pop, sunshine pop, psychedelic rock, mambo (pet sounds song), baroque pop.... But only pop music? (here today pop?) It's very important to study music! (Mago266 (talk) 05:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC))