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Promotion of homosexuality

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Contested PROD. Poorly sourced synthesis. References do not support controversial claims. This will need a few other sets of eyes. OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 04:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

• Strong keep - Article is just started already has enough sources. "Promotion" is a common noun, and "promotion of something" cant be synthesis. Google search for exact phrase with ""marks gives as many results. The article will improve over time. (comment by creater) Mest me n^^ (talk) 04:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, an article about a ban in Morocco doesn't support a claim that "many nations" have problems with "promotion of homosexuality."[1] Also, an about.com blog entry [2] doesn't support the claim that "the media generally supports" the "promotion of homosexuality."Please see WP:RS for more information on what sources are considered acceptable. --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 04:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

You are quoting wrong sentences in refs. Go through phrases quoted by me between ref tags. Mest me n^^ (talk) 05:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

• • There is article on Homosexual agenda, but article Homosexual propoganda (which i now redirected to current article, i can give refs if somebody demands) which refers to media/public promotion was deleted 4 times. All articles that say about negative side of homosexuality are deleted in wikipedia. Mest me n^^ (talk) 07:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for removing a portion of the intro statement, not supported by the in-line citations:[3] and [4]. These were helpful edits. --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 05:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - There's just no way to write an NPOV article with this title (and even if there was, this article ain't it). And grammatical arguments aside, this is pretty much pure SYNTH at this point. And even if we set those points aside, I don't see what could get put here that isn't dealt with in a more neutral manner elsewhere. --Bfigura ^(talk) 05:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The issue is quite notable with nations banning it, making the article NPOV is upto wikipedia editors. Mest me n^^ (talk) 05:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but the fact that nations have banned it is dealt with in Societal attitudes toward homosexuality as well as Gay rights counter-movement. The title here simply isn't neutral. --Bfigura ^(talk) 05:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The concept suggested in the title of the article is not even defined. What is "promotion of homosexuality", exactly? Is that some kind of gay concert tour or series of commercials? --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 05:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

• Delete I can't envision a lead sentence for this article that would meet WP:NOR. Certainly "Promotion of homosexuality is generally carried out in media, public places" is unsupported by the sources. Similar inflammatory phrases such as Homosexual recruitment and Homophobia have Wikipedia articles that treat them first as phrases, which is a good idea for both WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. But the sources used here for the same purpose are too weak. I could be convinced otherwise if better sources were found or if a different scope for the article were chosen. Melchoir (talk) 05:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

• Delete or Redirect – to Societal attitudes toward homosexuality. ttonyb (talk) 05:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Promotion is actually carried out by proponents, that may or may not be opposed by the society. Mest me n^^ (talk) 06:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Precision with words is important. "Society" is a vague word. How do you prove that "society" approves or disapproves of anything? I think what you might mean to say is more along the lines of "factions of society," "groups who disagree" or even just "opponents." --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 06:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)