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::(to Windowasher) [[WP:BITE|Because I assumed you were a newcomer]], I didn't know you were familiar with WP policies. I'm very familiar with [[WP:NPOV]], but you haven't provided specific reasons why it violates that policy. The content is [[WP:V|well-sourced]], fairly represents [[WP:NPOV|all significant views]], and [[WP:OR|makes no argument]] for or against the poster.
::(to Windowasher) [[WP:BITE|Because I assumed you were a newcomer]], I didn't know you were familiar with WP policies. I'm very familiar with [[WP:NPOV]], but you haven't provided specific reasons why it violates that policy. The content is [[WP:V|well-sourced]], fairly represents [[WP:NPOV|all significant views]], and [[WP:OR|makes no argument]] for or against the poster.
::(to Iamcheckerman) When a newcomer mentions "single-purpose accounts" in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barack_Obama_%22Joker%22_poster&diff=prev&oldid=319246451 first edit], that speaks for itself. [[User:AgnosticPreachersKid|<b><font color="#000080">'''APK'''</font></b>]] [[User talk:AgnosticPreachersKid|<font color="#99BADD">'''say that you love me'''</font>]] 17:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::(to Iamcheckerman) When a newcomer mentions "single-purpose accounts" in his [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barack_Obama_%22Joker%22_poster&diff=prev&oldid=319246451 first edit], that speaks for itself. [[User:AgnosticPreachersKid|<b><font color="#000080">'''APK'''</font></b>]] [[User talk:AgnosticPreachersKid|<font color="#99BADD">'''say that you love me'''</font>]] 17:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:::This desecrated photo of our president isn’t a work of art. It’s more a work of vandalism and hardly constitutes enough notability to have its own article. The encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view this was not. Nor is it an image of our president.--[[User:Windowasher|Windowasher]] ([[User talk:Windowasher|talk]]) 19:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:15, 11 October 2009

(remaining) possible sources

  • Los Angeles Times, "Shepard Fairey has 'doubts' about intelligence of Obama Joker artist", August 10, 2009.
  • The Washington Independent, "Alex Jones and the ‘Joker’ Meme", August 10, 2009.
  • WFTV, "Post Office Vandalized With Obama 'Joker' Posters", August 12, 2009.
  • Fox News, "Florida Police Question Vandalism Suspect About Obama Joker Poster", August 14, 2009.
    • ABC News, video, "Locals Offended by 'Joker' Obama Pics", August 14, 2009.
  • The Guardian, "US student comes forward as creator of Obama-Joker image", August 18, 2009.
  • ABC News, "Artist of Obama "Joker" Poster Image Identified -- and He's Not a Conservative", August 18, 2009.
  • Chicago Tribune, "Obama's not first 'Joker' POTUS", August 18, 2009.
    • WLS-TV, video, "Artist speaks out about Obama image", August 19, 2009.
  • Northwest Florida Daily News, "Anti-Obama posters pop up near schools", September 9, 2009.
  • The Charlotte Observer, "House disapproves of outburst", September 16, 2009.

Interesting Dilemma With Regards to Artist's Political Views

I am Firas Alkhateeb, the original artist of the poster. The article cites me as a "self-described liberal", which is not true. I am in fact an independent, but many media outlets misunderstood my supporting of SOME of Kucinich's ideas to constitute me being a liberal. I would just go ahead and change the article to say I'm an independent, but the news that wikipedia is supposed to cite all labels me as a liberal, thus, I suppose I can't prove it according to wiki standards. I'm a relative novice at wikipedia so I have no idea what to do in this situation. Khateeb88 (talk) 17:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has already removed the liberal description, which is fine. I've made a lot of changes to the article in the past two days, but it's still very much "under construction". One change I'm going to make (which will hopefully address the liberal description) is the following: Several news reports mention that critics of the poster initially thought the artist was a racist, white conservative. When the artist turned out to be a Palestinian American who (according to news reports) thought Kucinich would make a good president, the media mentioned how those critics were in fact wrong. APK say that you love me 21:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV violation

This needs a dramatic rewrite in order to comply with our WP:NPOV policy.--Windowasher (talk) 13:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What do you find POV? It's a controversial topic, but what kind of dramatic rewrite are you suggesting? APK say that you love me 13:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please refrain from tagging the article as POV; give the talk page a chance. This is where your concerns may be addressed. Thanks. APK say that you love me 13:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First of all Wikipedia is not the place to push political views. That is what this article was written for. It is not an image of our president it is a distorted image used for anti-Obama propoganda. Extremist groups do not own Wikipedia.--Windowasher (talk) 13:50, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:DISC. You still haven't explained why the article needs a dramatic rewrite other than you find the poster offensive. (p.s. Please use edit summaries. Thanks.) APK say that you love me 14:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know the rules, the article is more about a sales pitch for the image this is extreme pushing POV what don't you understand? Please read WP:NPOV--Windowasher (talk) 14:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the neutrality issue the editors are mostly single purpose accounts involved. These types of accounts are known to be problematic on Wiki.--Iamcheckerman (talk) 15:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting images = not the proper way to construct articles.--Iamcheckerman (talk) 16:08, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(to Windowasher) Because I assumed you were a newcomer, I didn't know you were familiar with WP policies. I'm very familiar with WP:NPOV, but you haven't provided specific reasons why it violates that policy. The content is well-sourced, fairly represents all significant views, and makes no argument for or against the poster.
(to Iamcheckerman) When a newcomer mentions "single-purpose accounts" in his first edit, that speaks for itself. APK say that you love me 17:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This desecrated photo of our president isn’t a work of art. It’s more a work of vandalism and hardly constitutes enough notability to have its own article. The encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view this was not. Nor is it an image of our president.--Windowasher (talk) 19:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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