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I have removed Image:AMcgillvray.jpg. As Kevin Myers pointed out to me when I added the same image, the man in that portrait is usually identified as Hopoithle Mico or Hoboithle Mico, a Creek leader who was often a political adversary of McGillivray. (The image is identified as Hopoithle Mico in Tecumseh by John Sugden and A Spirited Resistance by Gregory Dowd). An online example is at [1]. See also the version of the image at [2], that appears to have the original caption, which reads "Hopothle Mico - or the Talasee[?] King of the Creeks -- J. T. - New York 1790" (this is in context at [3]). Kevin Myers suspects there may not be any extant portraits of McGillivray. -- Mwanner | Talk 22:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to edit the third paragraph of the article so far to read: "Alex tried to remain neutral during the Revolutionary War, seeing the new United States as a threat to the first nations, but reasoning that the British may not hold on the colonies. On becoming a leading chief of the Creeks soon after American independence was achieved, he struggled for several years to unite his people and maintain a stance of armed neutality by making alliances, first with the Spanish on the Gulf coast and Florida and later with the US Federal government with the Treaty of New York, while trying to stem the incursions of white settlers from the north and east. Ultimately his death robbed the Creek nation of an able diplomat and statesman and they joined the Cherokee and other tribes on the Trail of Tears." My source for this is 'Diplomat in Warpaint - Alexander McGillivray of the Creeks" by Arthur Orrmont. Despite inventing, I suspect, conversations which were unlikely to have been recorded by anyone but McGillivray himself, this seems to be a more probable account than the impression given so far that he was a fan of the new republic. However he saw the Treaty with the federal government as a possible way of preventing the Georgians from overrunning Creek territory. Orrmont also agrees there is no portrait of McGillivray. His main source is "McGillivray of the Creeks" by John Walton Caughey. D Ron Field (talk) 01:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

D Ron Field (talk) 01:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]