Talk:ChromeOS

Vandalism?

I don't know what this would be, but a huge file saying: "CWii Never Dies" is on the top of the page, but i don't know exactly what it is Qwertyfish11 (talk) 18:35, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Similarity to Webconverger

This is quite similar to the Firefox based Webconverger, though I am unsure how to link or associate the relation between the pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hendry (talk • contribs) 07:26, 8 July 2009

It is too soon to know if it will be similar. It all depends on how far they will take the online desktop concept. But seeing that they are even developing a new windowsing system I do hope Google or the community will create a full desktop OS capable of much more than simply browsing the web. Especially since they are targetting netbooks, you can't have an OS on a netbook that needs to be online to work. You don't always have a connection when you are on the way with your netbook. 88.197.190.84 (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Also somewhat related to gOS (operating system). Ditto unsure. Woiuld both fit in a ==See also== section? -- Quiddity (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, more specifically, I'd say it sounds nearly identical to Cloud (by the gOS people). And yeah, I'd suggest linking their articles to eachother in 'See Also' sections. If, um, you happen to know how to do that, that is.

On the subject of Webconverger, I agree that they're somewhat similar, but it's not really the same thing. Both Chrome OS and Cloud are specifically designed with 'Cloud Computing' in mind (yes, I realize I'm debating over who decides to use stupid buzz/marketing terms and who doesn't), whileas Webconverger is designed to turn a device into solely an internet appliance (again, a minute distinction, I realize). It isn't that I would actually complain about Webconverger being included in the 'See Also' lists. I just don't personaly think it's quite the same thing. 209.90.133.41 (talk) 19:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the proposal was not moved. The consensus is that WP:RS's are using "OS" as part of the proper name (ie.: it's not an abbreviation, here).
— V = I * R (talk) 19:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Move

Google Chrome OS → Google Chrome Operating System — Please rename the article to "Google Chrome Operating System". This is the full name of operating system, cause it is unclear what does OS mean. --Dima1 (talk) 12:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The article mentions the full name in the definition, the article should have the most commonly used name which is Google Chrome OS in this case. - Simeon (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (abbreviations), this move would seem to be appropriate. Google OS, being a (very) likely search term, would be an appropriate redirect to keep, as well.
— V = I * R (talk) 18:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The announcement blog post uses "OS" much more than "operating system". Thus, it's probably the more common name (and just as official). Per the MoS, we use the common name, which uses the abbreviation in this case. --Cybercobra (talk) 19:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Right, I don't really dispute that, but... to quote WP:ABBR: "Whether the acronym or the spelled-out phrase is preferable in many particular cases is debatable, but this can work itself out with the #REDIRECT [[new page name]] command. For instance, DMCA and Digital Millennium Copyright Act have oscillated as to which is primary and which page redirects. Other less controversial pairs are MPAA versus Motion Picture Association of America and IMDb versus Internet Movie Database."
— V = I * R (talk) 19:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Opposed — Everything mentioning the name of the title in question, states it as Google Chrome OS. Even the Official Google Blog lists as Google Chrome OS. [1] 『 ɠu¹ɖяy 』^¤ 19:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

If the page were moved, there would be a redirect from "Google Chrome OS" to "Google Chrome Operating System", so what would the issue be, exactly, with spelling the acronym out?
— V = I * R (talk) 19:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Because the MoS says the article's "one true name" should be the most commonly used one, and the others should be the redirects. Google searching for the terms, we get ~26,400,000 for "google chrome os" vs. ~79,200 for "google chrome operating system", so spelling it out is several orders of magnitude less popular. --Cybercobra (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Google page hit "statistics" are really meaningless... regardless, the MOS states that the common name should be used, but it doesn't state that the uncommon names shouldn't be used. As I said above, there will be a redirect. The MOS also states that acronyms should be spelled out in the actual page title, as I've pointed out above.
— V = I * R (talk) 21:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Google hits are indeed not definitive but they are suggestive. Combined with the usage in the official announcement blogpost, it seems quite persuasive (to me). "but it doesn't state that the uncommon names shouldn't be used' Right, because it instead states the direct opposite. You seem to suggest the lack of a negative rule is more important than the existing positive rule; I don't understand this logic. And you're misconstruing the MoS; as you yourself quoted: "Whether the acronym or the spelled-out phrase is preferable in many particular cases is debatable" (emphasis mine). We're presently having such a debate. It does not say to expand the acronym in all cases. It does advise against unnecessary or nonstandard acronyms: "Acronyms should be used in page naming if the subject is almost exclusively known only by its acronym and is widely known and used in that form"; the evidence suggests that that's the case here. --Cybercobra (talk) 09:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The issue would be that article would not be called the proper name for the topic in question. The official name of Google's upcoming OS is Google Chrome OS, NOT Google Chrome Operating System. 『 ɠu¹ɖяy 』^¤ 14:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

gu1dry, I don't particularly want to be confrontational (especially over an issue that I honestly don't care about too much), but that isn't really a valid argument here. This may not be a deletion discussion, but the debate pointers that Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions holds true just as much here as they do in a Prod or AfD discussion. Cybercobra crafted a compelling argument above, for example...
— V = I * R (talk) 17:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose — I don't see any source that labels this as the "Google Chrome Operating System" proper. Theoretically, it could be called the "Google Chrome OS operating system", because it can be argued that "OS" is part of the actual title. I support keeping this at its current title and perhaps leading the intro with "Google Chrome OS is an operating system..." because there is good reason to believe "OS" is part of the brand name title.. — ^{\`</sup>CRAZY`(lN)`SANE<sup>`/} (talk • contribs) 09:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - It seems to be part of the name. It probably would have been just Google Chrome, except the browser already existed. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 17:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

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Wordpress pics

[2]Those pics may be totally fake. Should the mention of these pics be removed from the article? —SpaceFlight89 (talk) 13:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Per WikiPedia:Verifiability, absolutely. Note that the concern here is not that they may be fake, it's that there's no means for us to verify the information. If a reliable source actually either cites that post, or even just talks about it, then it could be included.
— V = I * R (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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How is this possible?

How can Google possibly create a Linux-based operating system with Chrome, when Chrome isn't released for Linux yet? 61.69.213.207 (talk) 07:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Um, because it is released for Linux (and even if it weren't, it would still be simple). ¦ Reisio (talk) 08:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

No, it's in beta for Linux. If it was so simple, why did it take so long? It's been nearly a year. 61.69.213.207 (talk) 08:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

...and the OS isn't even alpha. Google codes about as well as blind, fingerless dope fiends (what little they code themselves). ¦ Reisio (talk) 08:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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Windows dominates

Someone placed a dubious tag in the Market implications section with the following text:

its Windows software has a 95% market share|see the references in Usage share of desktop operating systems

So, here's the talk page section to discuss the issue.
— V = I * R (talk) 08:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

This (tagging that statement) appears to be some sort of POV advocacy, to me. On the other hand, the tagged statements are a POV advocacy issue themselves... As a matter of fact, the whole section is non-NPOV and full of weasel words. Just because you can point to someone saying something doesn't automatically merit it's inclusion. I'm inclined to remove the whole section, but I'll wait for a little bit to see if you guys can fix it.
— V = I * R (talk) 08:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the idea to remove the section. A discussion of the Google marketing strategy is more suited to the Google page itself. Additionally, even if it were reformed to be less POV, it doesn't contain any worthwhile points to begin with.70.190.236.138 (talk) 11:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a discussion of the Google marketing strategy. It's a discussion of the potential significance of Chrome OS. There is no reason to delete it. The 95% figure may need clarifying (I guess it refers to PCs, not including servers - the source doesn't say). Rd232 ^talk 11:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

If it's (heavily) copy edited, which seems to be occurring, I don't see a fundamental issue with the section. When the text starts out with weaselly statements such as "The opinion of some industry pundits", that just sends up all sorts of red flags. I've fixed that particular problem, by the way.
— V = I * R (talk) 17:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Off-line use

Should there be a discussion of how this would work if you were off-line? Seems an obvious question (at least it's my first question). Or is the answer unknown as yet? Mcswell (talk) 16:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Probably with an extension of google gears, a technology which has been in use for some time to help web-applications work off-line.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahjongg (talk • contribs) 09:46, July 11, 2009 (UTC)

Linux/Free Software Portal

I added links to the two portals to keep continuity among these articles.--Baina90 (talk) 19:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Screenshot

I have found some screenshots online, however I do not know what Wikipedia's policy is on screenshots of unreleased software. Here is a link to one of the screenshots: [3]. Can someone please confirm this?--Baina90 (talk) 19:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

It appears to be a screenshot of an older version of gOS that still uses the E17 Enlightenment windows manager. It is almost certainly fake, there are many of such fake screenshots floating around on the Internet. I woudn't take any of them serious, and only accept screenshots officially released by Google itself, At the moment its simply impossible to have a screenshot already.Mahjongg (talk) 20:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I thought it could be fake. Waiting for Google to release an official screenshot it therefore a better option.--Baina90 (talk) 00:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Not nearly as pretty, but this is Google's official download page w/screenshots: [4] --Zentraleinheite (talk) 12:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

that is not the official google download page Mark (talk) 19:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

As I said, there are many fake one's (not always with a nice reason behind them either, so beware!) there are NO real ones at the moment. Mahjongg (talk) 02:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Chrome OS snapshots

You can download Chrome OS snapshots from Google http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/ -Սահակ/Sahak (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Wrong. Those "snapshots" are versions of Chromium, the web browser. No Chrome OS code/screenshots/snapshots/whatever exists publicly. The screenshot is therefore, in lack of a better word, wrong and should be removed. Darth Vader (talk) 15:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Darth Vader, have you tried them? http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux-chromeos/ snapshots are not Chromium at all. Browser is ID'd as "Google Chrome" and not Chromium. It includes things like a clock, network manager, battery manager, touchpad configurator, "Google Chrome OS Options" menu, etc. The screenshot that I posted was a snapshot of "Google Chrome OS" why can't you check it yourself? -Սահակ/Sahak (talk) 15:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I havent tried it, but I remembered from earlier that build.chromium.org had Chromium source.You may be right, that's probably the OS in some early stage, but it's nothing official, so I still think it's early to put screenshots in the article. i think screenshots should be added only if (when) Google presents them. Darth Vader (talk) 15:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Darth Vader, but that is incorrect. We can add them as soon as they are verifiably screenshots of the OS. Unfortunately, we have no way to confirm that those screenshots Սահակ added are really from the OS or from some side project of the browser (for example a Linux version created only to run the browser and nothing else). So far, no PC magazine or website has mentioned those builds linked above or shown screenshots of them which is kind of suspicious if those really were alpha versions of the OS (several magazines were tricked by fakes though). So I would suggest the following compromise: We add screenshots as soon as they are available and confirmed by a reliable, third-party source. Regards SoWhy 16:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, this link you have provided is unofficial. The official Chromium source code project is [5]. Chromium is the source code for Google Chrome - the browser, not the OS. Chromium is the name of the project and source code behind the browser but not the name of the browser itself. If you were to use the code to build the browser on GNU/Linux, it would be Google Chrome, not Chromium. Although the browser and the OS are related, you must not mix the two up. There are always brainstorm ideas in the Linux community, the screenshots you saw were probably created by a GNU/Linux enthusiast such as here [6]. I hope that clarified things a bit.--Baina90 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Baina90, I created that screenshot myself, on my own laptop, by running the code tagged "chromium-rel-linux-chromeos". Even though there is a word "chromium" in the name of the build, it was not Chromium at all. It was a build of Google Chrome OS, and it was over 500MB in size. I hope that clarified things a bit. -Սահակ/Sahak (talk) 04:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't such a screenshot (considering that there is no official... anything) be classified as original research? Darth Vader (talk) 19:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

The build has been removed by Google. It was probably leaked accidentally. -Սահակ/Sahak (talk) 04:06, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The German news source "Golem" talks about that file here (Google translate) and speculates that it's indeed a very early version of ChromeOS and that it's built upon Debian. While the article confirms what Սահակ wrote above, it is speculating, whether this was really a snapshot of the OS itself or only a Debian version created to run the alpha builds of Chromium for Linux, saying that the application identifies itself as "Google Chrome", not "Google Chrome OS". Regards SoWhy 08:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Is this still available? I would like to see it because if its a distro based on Debian, its more likely a modified version of Ubuntu or Debian that someone has posted on the Internet and made to look like it could be Chrome OS. Chrome OS has its own desktop environment and window management system, this is what leads me to believe that this is not the real Chrome OS.--Baina90 (talk) 19:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone hacked into Google's servers and uploaded a fake ChromeOS? I downloaded it from Google's official web server. It is no longer available on Google's servers, but I have a local copy. -Սահակ/Sahak (talk) 03:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)