Talk:USS New York (LPD-21)

Name?

"to be named for the state of New York." isn't it named after the city of New York? --24.6.127.199 08:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Nope; it'd be named "USS New York City" if it were (as previous ships with that name were). See also: USS_New_York_City -- MyrddinEmrys 06:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The history channel documentary about the making of this vessel states that it is named after New York (the city). All the other vessels in the San Antonio Class are also named for cities, with the exception of the USS Somerset (named for the County where United Flight 93 crashed). http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/lpd-17.htm 66.73.165.197 01:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

"Governor George E. Pataki wrote a letter to Secretary England requesting that the Navy revive the name USS New York in honor of September 11's victims and to give it a surface warship involved in the war on terror. In his letter, the Governor said he understood state names presently are reserved for submarines but asked for special consideration so the name could be given to a surface ship. The request was approved August 28, 2002."

from the LPD 21 fact sheet published by the US Navy User:Pedant 22:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course, New York is the name of a city in the state of New York so if the Navy were reserving state names for submarines then special dispensation would have to be given to use a "state name" even if the sole intent was to name the vessel after the city of New York. Sometimes things really do turn out to be both a floor wax and a dessert topping. - Dravecky 05:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

On (not) using city names on nukey subs: Shhh. Don't anyone tell folks who are on/who were on the Albany, Los Angeles, Chicago, Augusta, Alexandria, Annapolis, Asheville, Atlanta, Baltimore, Baton Rouge, Birmingham, ..., Toledo, and Tucson, etc, etc. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarines_of_the_United_States_Navy. In the case extant, involving this newest LPD: IT IS OF COURSE named for the city, not the state, the observation comment in Pataki's letter-request notwithstanding.

98.164.237.198 (talk) 13:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The USS New York is named for the State of New York. I am a plank owner and currently serve onboard. All sailors that come to this ship are given command indoctrination and are told this. The ship's crest has many references to what happened on 9/11 in New York City, but above the phoenix rising from the flames of the World Trade Center you will see land with water in the foreground and maple leaves to the left and right side. This is to represent the state. We also have three, maybe more, placards around the boat that state the characteristics of the ship and that it is named for the State of New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.56.129.194 (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

order

According to San Antonio class amphibious transport dock list is the fifth not the sixth --Jor70 19:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Article name

This ship's name is the New York, not the USS New York. It won't be USS until its commisioning in 2009. User:Pedant 22:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

References

The link to HullNumber.com might need to be removed because the website in question has many mistakes regarding the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.53.42 (talk) 15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

USS New York LPD-21 origin

Could any of you editors look at this information and see if its pertent to this article, it involves me so its a COI for me to post. Scott

http://www.ussnewyork.com/wordpress/?p=350 http://www.ussnewyork.com/wordpress/?p=36

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/broadside/2009/02/18/bonded-by-a-miracle/

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.134.59 (talk • contribs) 12:59, August 6, 2009

William Jefferson - an insult

It is an insult to the Navy, victims of 911 and the people who serve to defend this country to have the name of the convicted felon, William Jefferson, highlighted in the text of LPD-21 as follows: Several dignitaries were in attendance, including Louisiana Congressman William J. Jefferson, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, members of the New York Police Department and New York Fire Department, and family members of 9/11 victims.Bold text

Jefferson is a disgrace to the nation. His name in the text adds nothing to the value of the information and should not be in the same sentence as the reference to Police Dept, Fire Dept victims etc.

9-11-09

Yelodog (talk) 15:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I removed him due to the fact that I believe removing him would not change the integrity of the topic he was listed under. Feel free to talk about it more here.

Stevied019 (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I added him back. There is no reason to remove his name from the list of dignitaries. He was a Congressman and he was there. Wikipedia is not partisan, nor revisionist. Neutralis (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Can I just second this, I think it's disturbingly Orwellian to edit someone out of a WP page because he's fallen out of favor.--203.58.0.142 (talk) 00:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Why was the USS New York oriented west,when it was constructed?

I would think that in retaliation, the ship would ahve been constructeded in the east ward position, considering that's the deriction from which the attacks came from.24.2.198.231 (talk) 18:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)11/02/09 D.Capers.

Name is still confusing

I am still confused over the name. If this class of ships is named for states, then why would her sister ships be named Somerset (town in Pennsylvania) and Arlington (city in Virginia)? Wouldn't those name choices suggest that this one is actually for New York (city in New York)? It doesn't make much sense to me that one of three would be named for a state, while the other two are named for municipalities. --Mfwills (talk) 02:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

there used to be conventions re. naming of u.s. warships. for the duration of their existence, all battleships were named for states. during this period, heavy cruisers were named for major cities, and light cruisers for prominent smaller cities. submarines were named for fish, and dd's and de's for individuals.initially, aircraft carriers were named for revoltionary war sites, or for warships of that period.after the day of the battleship, missle submarines (boomers)were often, but not always, named for states, and attack submarines for cities. notable among these were the ohio class of boomers, and the los angeles class of hunter-killers. given the proliferation of new ship types, these conventions have largely been abandoned. i can't remember if the text makes it clear, but one of the reference articles points out that these three are named after sites involved in the events of 9/11. Toyokuni3 (talk) 07:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

That's precisely my point: the ships are supposedly named for the sites of the 9/11 attacks. If the site in the state of Virginia is the city of Arlington and the site in the state of Pennsylvania is the town of Somerset, then it stands to reason that the site in the state of New York is the city of New York.--Mfwills (talk) 09:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The convention was (and with the exception of this ship, still is) that the names of States of the Union were reserved for capital ships, i.e. the most powerful ships in the fleet. When battleships were considered as such, they were always named for States; more recently, the "capital ship" designation has shifted to ballistic missile submarines. The U.S.S. New York (assuming it is named after the State of New York) is only the second vessel in the history of the U.S. Navy to break this convention - the first occasion was when the intended name of USS Rhode Island was changed to USS Henry M. Jackson shortly after Jackson's death in 1983. (HoraceCoker) 19.49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps it is not so odd after all. USS New York (named for a state), USS Somerset (named for what I now know is a county, not a town) and USS Arlington (named for a city). Not consistent, but somewhat understandable.--Mfwills (talk) 04:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

There's also a ship named for Mesa Verde National Park, so the class doesn't have a strict naming policy. Why LPD-21 was named for the whole state rather than the city is unclear. Possibly because USS New York City had only recently been taken off the Navy List. Perhaps Gov. Pataki felt that the attack had struck more than just the city.

—WWoods (talk) 17:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)