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University of Valle

Greetings. I've listed this article for peer review because I want to continue improving the article to FA status. I'm not a native English speaker, so there might be some issues with redaction. I count with enough bibliographic material to improve the contents of the sections. I think the weakest ones are the History, Organization and Research sections. Also, I would like to know what information should be added and if what kind of figures should be included. Thanks, Andremun (talk) 03:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments by David Fuchs

Overall it's a very good article. Not surprisingly, the biggest issue I see is with the prose. Since your goal is FA, I compared this article to other university FAs such as University of Michigan and Duke University, and didn't see much in the way of gaps in coverage. You've got history, administration, the campus, activities, et al.

• As you've said, there are issues with the prose. You're going to need a good copyeditor; I can try and fix things where possible but that's not enough to get anything to "brilliant" standard. Generally I see incorrect tense and possessive use, along with redundant commas as the major issues.
• On the images: File:Uvtexto.gif and File:Univalle.svg are not the author's to release into the public domain or license according to GNU. You could argue that the logo is simple enough to be ineligible for copyright, but either way they are incorrectly licensed and the uploader is not the author.
  • I'm concerned that non-free images are used in a decorative fashion, for example File:University of Valle First Campus.jpg, File:University of Valle San Fernando Campus.jpg, and File:Univalle Biblioteca Mario Carvajal Construcción.jpg don't have real fair use rationales at all, let alone compelling ones. Likewise, File:Univalle Proyecto Campus Carbonera Palmira.jpg
  • Given the evidence, I'm going to assume that File:Estudiantes-fai.jpg, File:Cdu-piscina.jpg and File:FacultadSaludUnivalle.jpg were not taken by the uploader and should be deleted as copyright violations.
    • One more thing; you're going to need alt text for all the pictures if you're going to run by FAC; I suggest reading the linked page and looking at some (recent) FAs to see what it requires. 15:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
• Sources should be fully formatted, giving publisher, author, date info where available; since you're using {{cite web}}, just fill the rest out.
• I'm somewhat concerned that the vast majority of the information is sourced to non-independent sources (i.e., the college or material the college has published itself.) That creates bias issues...

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 21:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Reply to comments

Greetings, Thank you for your comments. I think I can reply about two issues that concern you:

• New pictures can be taken from current events. As for historical pictures, this might be tricky since usually are hard to come by. I'll see what I can find.
• I understand the issue about non-independent sources. The books about the history, organization, and other issues, mentioned as references are published by the university press, which is actually common for several colleges and universities around the world. Other sources are difficult to find, but I'll try to find out more.

Again, thanks for your recommendations. I'll wait for more suggestions. Andremun (talk) 13:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Sorry to be slow in reviewing this. I have to say I agree with all the comments above, and here are some additional suggestions for improvement.

• As far as the historical images are concerned, the images have to meet WP:FAIR USE individually, and the overall article and all of its images have to collectively meet WP:NFCC. If some place looks about the same today as it did in the old photo, then using a historic image probably does not meet the fair use criteria. If the place has changed a lot, it might be OK to use the old photo, but the text has to discuss what is in the photo and the two (text and fair use image) have to work together.
• One criterion people often use is: does the image show something more than the mental picture of words alone conveys? To pick one example, why does File:Univalle Biblioteca Mario Carvajal Construcción.jpg need to be in the article? What does it show uniquely that words cannot convey? What does it show that a modern freely licensed picture of the same building would not? I also note that the article does not even mention the construction of the library, so my guess is this would not meet the Fair Use criteria.
• Per WP:ITALIC watch the use of italics in the article. It is fine to italicize the Spanish names, but why is "Tulio Ramirez" italicized in: "The developed area is enclosed by the Tulio Ramirez Avenue, and it is composed of more than 30 buildings, including the main administration building, the faculties of Science and of Engineering, part of the faculty of Integrated Arts, and the Mario Carvajal Library, which is the main library of the university.[27]" (notice "Mario Carvajal" is not italicized).
• Per WP:MOSIMAGE, images should sandwich text between them, and images should not be left justified directly under a level three or four header, but there is a text sandwich in the Libraries section and several left justified images under level three or four headers like Faculties, Institutes, and Rankings
• Per WP:CREDENTIAL people's titles are not usually included, so drop the "Mr." from things like ... under the leadership of Mr. Tulio Ramírez Rojas, and Mr. Severo Reyes Gamboa.
• The English unit equivalent of square meters used for buildings is generally square feet, not acres - see things like ...correspond to a three story building with a surface area of 5,200 m2 (1.3 acres), with a cost of $6 billion COP.
• I agree that it would be very useful to have more sources which are independent of the university. I also note that while this is generally well-referenced, there are still a few palces that would probably need a ref in WP:FAC. Some examples include Also, the debt contracted with the private banking sector was renegotiated and will be paid in full by 2010, and the wages were paid. or the whole third paragraph in the Organization section (no refs at all). My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref.
• People willing to help copy edit articles can be found in the last section at WP:PR/V

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I originally found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 20:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)