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Userbox for members?

Has anyone created a userbox or banner for members of this project to use? —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 16:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of, but it might be nice. It would be especially nice if a Wikimedia officer were to get us permission to use the Kentucky Unbridled Spirit logo by requesting it here! I can ask Angela if it's feasable. In fact... heck... see my next post. CQ 23:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, please no... don't bring the Unbridled Horseshit logo in here. Let's instead use something that will outlast the Fletcher administration, namely the Seal of Kentucky. —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 18:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

OK. Take a look at {{User WikiProject Kentucky}} and let me know what you think or change it around if you like. CQ 19:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks good visually. Did you consider having it say "...member of WikiProject Kentucky"? Either way, it's fine. Thanks! (and I'm sorry I didn't get around to doing this) Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Unbridled Spirit

I'm looking into the Kentucky Unbridled Spirit campaign and even going through the channels to get official permission to use the logo. Might can pull fair use on it. I dunno. Heck, by going through the proper channels, maybe we can even get Earnie himself involved in the Kentucky WikiProject (ha).

At any rate, I have added Kentucky#Unbridled_Spirit to the main article. -- CQ 00:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ooops.. my mistake

Looks like I forgot to have the talk page moved over here. At the moment, Wikipedia_talk:Wikiproject_Kentucky (note the lower case "p") still resides over there, but the project page redirects here. -- CQ 00:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Kentucky

Oklahoma, Puerto Rico, Texas, Utah, Vermont and Wisconsin all have Portals! Please see my proposal and comment there if you get a chance.

I assume this is something we will want to do sooner or later, so I took the liberty of getting the ball rolling. I stated in a reply on the proposal a few things to include. Here they are again in outline form with some additional items:

Introduction: The Commonwealth of Kentucky, on June 1, 1792 became the fifteenth state to be admitted to the Union...

• Featured article: Louisville, Kentucky.
• Selected biography: Thomas D. Clark
• Geography section:
  • Cumberland Gap
  • ...
• History section:
  • Battle of Blue Licks
  • ...
• Did you know.. ...that The Battle of Blue Licks, on August 19, 1782 was the last major battle of the American Revolutionary War?
• WikiProjects:
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Kentucky
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisville
• Related Portals:
  • Portal:United States
    • Oklahoma
    • Puerto Rico
    • Texas
    • Utah
    • Vermont
    • Wisconsin
    • ...

Well that's a start. I'm going to copy that outline to Wikipedia:WikiProject Kentucky/Portal where we can play with it. Feel Free!

I suggest we not worry about the asthetics at this time, but rather concentrate on included content keeping it in outline form. The launch date for the real Portal:Kentucky, per procedure is June 22 at the soonest. Even after the launch, we can use the outline as an expansive resource for all things Kentucky.

Well that's my spin on it. Please comment. -- CQ 02:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

History buff needed

Please check out List of current and former capital cities in the United States and make sure that Kentucky's capital cities are listed accurately. A word of warning: the page does contain quite a bit of complicated wiki formatting, so if you're not comfortable editing it, just post your changes on the talk page and someone more experienced will apply them to the article.   JEK   19:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Jonathan. The source you provided on Kentucky's entry, Kentucky's State Capitols (Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives) is interesting. Especially the part about the elm tree! According to the article, the first legislative session, after Virginia granted Kentucky statehood (June 1792), was conducted in a log cabin in Lexington. In that session, they voted to move the capitol to Frankfort and it's been there ever since. I haven't verified yet that Bowling Green was a CSA capitol but I don't doubt it. I'll keep snooping. • CQ 05:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep, History says that after Confederate General Albert Sidney Johnston captured Bowling Green in the summer of 1861, the Russellville Convention (116 delegates from 68 counties) conspired to overthrow the Franfort government and establish a Confederate state government with the capitol at Bowling Green. George W. Johnson (civil war) somehow became Kentucky's Confederate Governor. On December 10, 1861, Kentucky became the 13th state admitted to the Confederacy. Border states (Civil War)#Kentucky Stephen G. Burbridge ("Burbridge the Butcher"), the notorious Union general put a stop to it all in the summer of 1864, when he arrested 22 men in and around Bowling Green for treason. Bowling Green, Kentucky#The nineteenth century So Kentucky (and Missouri) had representatives in both Congresses and regiments in both Armies. • CQ 13:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Nominate articles for Portal:United States

I've worked for the past month to update Portal:United States and keep it better maintained. Though, I think the Portal:United States would be even better with broader participation. Having the portal well-maintained is very helpful in making the case for subportals for individual states, such as Portal:Kentucky. One way to do that is instead of choosing the "selected article" myself each week, if others would nominate articles and help make decisions. (same goes for pictures, though these are stocked up through July 29) If there is anything related to Kentucky (or anything else related to the U.S. - culture, music, literature, geography, history, politics, ...), please nominate. I'd also like people to weigh in on the nominations and help select what should be featured. Thanks. --Aude (talk contribs) 23:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Aude. We're with ya. I had to throw in Bluegrass music! As you might have noticed, I've joined WikiProject U.S. states and have started to inject some ideas about coordinating state wikiprojects and Portal:United States. E Pluribus Wiki! • CQ 05:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Stub deletion notification

This message is to inform the WikiProject that {{Kentucky-stub}} and Category:Kentucky stubs are being considered for deletion at WP:SFD. The category is currently undersized, meaning it has less than 35 articles. Please populate this within 6 days (July 27th) or the stub template and category will be deleted. If you have a question, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or on the SFD page. Thanks you and happy editing. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 17:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In response, I added a "Stubs" subsection to the project page, which includes information on tagging Kentucky-related articles as stubs (if they qualify as stubs). —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 19:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I've taken it up to 45 Kentucky stubs. More still could be added, but that should be enough to keep this category viable. —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 17:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Kentucky General Assembly

I've worked a bit with this article since it was tagged for cleanup. I've left the tag up because I'm not sure if it needs some more work... could one of you go through it?

Hyper Anthony 18:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

In addition to your great work, both CQ and I have hit it pretty good. It's starting to shape up now. Cheers! —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 01:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

And a fine job to both of you as well. Hope I can take a look at some of the Kentucky Stubs tomorrow, I know a bit about a few of em. Hyper Anthony 03:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the project, Hyper Anthony! I replaced the {{cleanup}} tag with the {{RRevised}} one. (Carries less of a stigma). Looking at some of the other states' pages, this one isn't bad at all. I'm thinking about creating a Kentucky counties worksheet for figuring out districts (fed and state) and other tasks. I'm going to be looking more into what other states are doing, especially Michigan. • CQ 04:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This reminds me (and all): Many articles that should be Kentucky stubs aren't set that way as of yet. What we have now is but a partial list. And this also goes for Louisville stubs as well. So if anyone has some time, please go through Kentucky categories and look for stubby articles to brand with the "Kentucky-stub" template. —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 04:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Categorization and templates

I've been doing the work in a gnome-like manner, but I just wanted to say officially that I'm finished (for now) revising the WikiProject Kentucky template for aesthetics and clarity, and also, more importantly, creating a WikiProject Kentucky category where all articles tagged with the template will now end up listed in that category. Cool, eh? What's more, I've linked this new category to the WikiProject Louisville category as well as the WikiProject Kentucky State Highways category. And, of course, it's also a child of WikiProject U.S. states.

The next thing we need is a banner/userbox for WikiProject Kentucky members (for placement on user pages) and an associated category. Of course, if somebody else wants to beat me to it, have at it. Cheers! —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 01:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Very kewl Stevietheman! I've been watching your gnome-like editing. Sorry, but I've been busy with the Community article and WP:CBTF stuff. Have you seen the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team templates? You can automate assessment tables with them. Check out WikiProject Michigan. You know much about WP:1 assessment? We may need to start that someday or at least start setting it up. I'll bring it up in a new post in a bit.

As for the user template... hmmmm. So you don't like the horsie... hmmm • CQ 06:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I vaguely know about the assessment tables, but have never really investigated them deeply. I do like the idea of tracking the best articles produced by a WikiProject. It looks like we could add both WikiProject Kentucky and WikiProject Louisville tables to the page (of course, we would need to address project overlaps seriously at that point).

Re: the user template, yeah, I admit I'm not partial to horses. The state seal works for me. But if ya gotta have horses, I don't think I would go out of my way to object.  :) —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 06:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Generosity?

A user from 165.215.91.117 left this nice link to a batch of not-so-bad pictures on the Kentucky article with this edit. I wonder if He was being generous? Anyway, I found the following contact info when I went to the parent domain, KYWATER.NET: The Service network for Kentucky waters and the organizations working to enhance and protect them.

Contact: Ken Cooke
639 Cardinal Lane
Lexington, Kentucky, 40503
859-276-1253(Voice)
kywwp@igc.org

If he is here, or if anyone minds calling him, it might be a good idea to find out if he is releasing the pictures for use on Wikipedia. If so, he'll need to upload them himself or include a license or statement releasing them to the public domain in the directory or somewhere within the KyWater.net domain. Of course he kindof did that when he posted the link. • CQ 10:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I had reverted that link out because it wasn't clear how an unformatted list of various images was an appropriate extension to the article. That's not to say the images weren't useful for other purposes. Did you have specific uses in mind, CQ? —  Stevie is the man!  ^{Talk | Work} 15:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Removal of images for violation of fair use

An admin just removed use of Kentucky images for use in this project, like he did for WikiProject Louisville. What I did to correct it in WP Louisville is find a generic "free" (GFDL, public domain, etc.) image and substitute it back in. With this project, though, I don't know what kind of image would be best suited. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Cataloguing articles for this project

I've been spending time placing the {{WikiProject Kentucky}} template on the talk pages of Kentucky articles, and now we have almost 250 articles catalogued. This is just to request that other WikiProject Kentucky members spend time finding Kentucky-related articles and adding this template so we can accomplish full coverage in the near future. Thanks! Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Today, I put in a bot request to catalogue a lot more articles for this project, concentrating on cities, counties, towns and unincorporated communities. This should dramatically extend the project's reach within the next day or so. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm a little confused about the template-- is the idea of this project to create basically a glorified category and community by placing the template on all the kentucky related articles, or is the template only being placed on articles that require work? i got it on the Centre College article of which I'm a contributor to and just wanted to make sure it's not being tagged for cleanup or anything; it's a fairly comprehensive--and nearly complete--article, if I may say so. the wording on the template has me asking, how can i really participate in this project if the article is practically complete? Arwcheek 04:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It is to cover all Kentucky-related articles under this project. Cataloguing the articles is not just about articles that need work, per se, but making other decisions as well, such as which articles to take to Good or Featured status, or how best to categorize articles (just two examples). This cataloguing is really an initial process before organizing articles by what kind of attention articles should get under the project. If the Centre College article is complete (even though I don't think any article is ever complete), you can participate by working on other articles in the project. It's your choice at any rate. Hope this helps. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 04:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Redesign of part of the project page

Would anyone object if I reorganized the "Articles" section to split it into two sections that look like the "Hall of Fame" and "Tasks" sections in WikiProject Louisville? I think the reorganization would make it more clear what needs to be worked on, and also provide for non-article-specific tasks. Thanks. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 02:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No objection from me, Stevie. The project page looks much better and I, for one, appreciate your efforts. I'm digging into the History of Kentucky, and I see you've begun the article. I'm not sure if Kentucky in the Civil War or Timeline of Kentucky history should not just become sections of that. I got the timeline idea from Timeline of Michigan history. I also started the Columbus-Belmont State Park article, but I'm not online very much these days. • CQ 18:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

And I appreciate your efforts, too. Thanks. Re: History of Kentucky, I was thinking along the lines of building that up first, then, if needed, branching out. Of course, if you can see to it that the timeline items are additionally covered or summarized in the history article, I would be more sanguine about the existence of both. I just think it would be unbalanced for the timeline to cover things not mentioned (or part of a summary) in the main history article. I think the merge templates I added were kind of me thinking "Whoa! not so fast", but frankly, I'm not going to push hard for a merge--I honestly meant for it to be a suggestion that is discussed. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking maybe eventually producing one of these m:EasyTimelines but building up the data from the Timeline of Kentucky history in standard article format. The big thing of course is verifying the dates, people and places. Is that feasable? CQ 19:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It's feasible, but could also be extraordinarily complex from a technical perspective. I would just request that you be very selective with the points you place on it, so that it can be readable to most visitors. Generally, I like the concept. But if it gets too difficult to build, please don't feel that there's an expectation to produce it. We could live with or without it. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for governors' pages cleanup

I have created pages for the governors who did not have them. I would now like to begin putting these pages in a uniform format. Please provide input into what format we should follow, and which governors have pages you consider ideal. Lamont A Cranston 17:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Gray Davis and Pete Wilson look like good examples to follow. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'm not very proficient at using Wikipedia's code, so I may need a little help on that front. I think the tables with the picture are great. Photographs for all of the governors are available at http://www.kdla.ky.gov/resources/KYGovernors.htm. I don't know how best to go about getting permission for these photos, and I've observed some obsessive concern about public domain regarding other photos on Wikipedia. Lamont A Cranston 17:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposed format:

• Box on the right titled with the governor's most commonly called name (i.e., Ernie Fletcher). The box should include a photo, then which governor they were (i.e., 10th governor of Kentucky), their lieutenant governor(s), predecessor, successor, birthplace and date, place and date of death if applicable, party, profession, and spouse(s).
• On the left, the governor's full name, dates of birth and death, and a very brief synopsis of their political careers. I think all should begin with "Governor X (b - d) was the Xth governor of Kentucky."
• A section labelled "Biography" or "Personal life" - any preference?
• A section labelled "Political career"
• Possibly a sub-section labelled "Candidacy and governorship." Note that data on returns is available at http://www.kdla.ky.gov/resources/KYGovernors.htm.
• A sub-section labelled major accomplishments (this should, I suppose, include major events that happened under the governor's watch)
• See also (at least including history of Kentucky)
• External links, if applicable
• The KY Governors template at the bottom. Lamont A Cranston 18:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. I would choose "Biography" over "Personal life". Also, the articles need succession boxes (one each for Governor and Party nominee succession, and other successions, if applicable; see Paul E. Patton for an example) to go above the KY Governors template. Last, at some point, we will need to figure out how we should fit in Confederate governors, but that's probably not as important as the other needed revisions. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I have added an infobox to Isaac Shelby, but it is a bit messy because he served two terms. Please take a look at it and adjust the formatting as you see fit (in particular, the photo displays an odd caption). Making the infobox was truly tedious. Lamont A Cranston 19:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The template wasn't designed for governors who served on two or more separate occasions, but I made an attempt to make it workable for Isaac Shelby. Here are the changes. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I have changed it to a generic politician template. Lamont A Cranston 23:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 00:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that we should add some note regarding Kentucky's two Confederate governors to the KYGovernors template (perhaps at the end). It should be very succinct and not take up much space, but I think it would be helpful. Lamont A Cranston 14:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of "going for it", I went ahead and started the Russellville Convention article. Ain't that somethin'? • CQ 02:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks! Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 03:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

United States House of Representives from KY

Hello all. I'm going to carve out more time to work on Kentucky articles. I've kinda done it all along but know I can do more. Today I started two article on former members of the United States House of Representatives from KY. Wendell H. Meade and Andrew J. May. I'm working off of information in Biographical Directory of the United States Congress database. Even though they are not very short, I marked them as stubs because I know we can find more details about their lives. Going to keep working on congressional delegations from araound this time period.

It's good to see the project becoming more active. It's really taking form and looks good. Take care, FloNight ^talk 00:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. Yep, this project has recently started to get interesting. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week

I want to gauge interest in having a Kentucky collaboration of the week. I, for one, would participate if there were one. I do suggest that it be a collaboration of the fortnight or possibly collaboration of the month instead. So let's hear it: who thinks they would participate if we had such a project, and how do you think it should be structured? (Is there an option to have your signature automatically added? If not, why not?) Lamont A Cranston 00:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

To add your signature, type ~~~~ (without the nowiki start and end tags you would see in editing mode) after your comment. Re: the collaboration, I would definitely participate, and I agree that a period longer than a week would make sense. As far as how it's structured, I guess just look at how other state WikiProjects are doing it, and copy it. We can always modify to our tastes over time. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 08:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew how to add my signature, I just forget it about half the time. Check out the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight. I think the COTWs follow a pretty standard template. My vote is for one topic a fortnight (a month is just too slow, but a week is not enough time to take a stub to feature-article-quality, IMO). I'd like to hear a few more people express interest before moving forward; most of the CotWs seem to be for countries rather than states, and I bet they have a larger pool of editors than we do. Lamont A Cranston 13:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the History of Kentucky article would be a logical candidate for a major collaboration, but It ain't gonna happen in week. A month maybe. That's my $0.02 worth. • CQ 16:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

There's no preference for auto-adding a signature, to my knowledge. And like CQ, I'm thinking a month would work out best, as we just don't have enough members (yet) to get collaborations done in two weeks. And I like CQ's idea of working on History of Kentucky, which has huge gaps. I created the article because its spin-off was inevitable, but not being a Kentucky historian limits my ability to work on it by myself. I also think this idea gives me inspiration to work on a similar collaboration project for WikiProject Louisville. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that we forego a more formal CotW until there is more interest. I have made some minor additions to the History of Kentucky article, and I'll keep contributing as I think of things to add. Lamont A Cranston 18:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

After making the proposal for September below, it occurred to me that a "Collaboration of the Week/Month" is rather limiting. Perhaps instead we could have a "[Month] Focus" every month where we have a short list of specific tasks and articles to mostly concentrate on. Any thoughts? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. We could just put a section near the top of the Wikiproject Kentucky page describing what this month's focus is and directing people to vote for next month on the talk page. I like that it is less formal, and it could also cover things like categories that need cleaning, the portal, and groups of articles rather than individual ones (KY governors comes to mind). Most of the CotWs seem to focus on taking one article to good or feature status, and I think that goal is admirable but a bit myopic and quite unrealistic. Lamont A Cranston 22:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being bold with this. And I think we totally agree that CotW is too limited to be useful for our purposes. I'll note below that the focus exists and that the list isn't necessarily closed off from additional priority items. In fact, I think Kentucky's category system is in great need of cleaning up. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 23:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

History of Kentucky

As some of you know, we've started a History of Kentucky article and a Timeline of Kentucky history and there is a proposed article Kentucky in the Civil War. I have a few inclusion concerns:

1. Inclusion of Native Americans in the United States (Kentucky before the europeans arrived)
2. Inclusion of interesting details about early settlement other than the Daniel Boonie stuff
3. Comprehensive coverage of Kentucky in the Civil War as a noteable and complex part of the Western Theater of the American Civil War and a Border state. (including the importance of things like the Russellville Convention and Battles of Sacramento, Columbus, Perryville ...)
4. Political, economic and social development in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. (Development of railroads, highways, communications etc.)
5. Natural disasters such as the effects of the New Madrid Seismic Zone (1811 and 1812) and the Floods of 1913 and 1937 and others (what Kentucky cities were effected?).
6. Other notable events (add yours)

I just want to see if other Kentuckians are interested in making this a major collaboration (week, fortnight, month, year, whatever) and to get a sense of how to proceed. Do we need a separate Kentucky in the Civil War article and is the Timeline of Kentucky history necessary/useful? (I vote yes on both counts). Who else is willing to dig in? What else should be included in the History of Kentucky? What can we do as WikiProject Kentucky? What are Your thoughts? • CQ 18:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I had started a todo list on the talk page of History of Kentucky. I would encourage everyone to place their ideas there. As far as additional ideas, I like your list, and I need some time to think of additional items. The history of tobacco growing and coal mining in the state jump out at me. I've indicated already that Kentucky in the Civil War is ultimately necessary due to its complexity, and I support a timeline, but am unsure whether it should be a separate article. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The timeline of Kentucky is a great idea that (IMO) needs a great deal of work. There are a lot of important dates in Kentucky history, and frankly I don't know a good way of choosing which ones are appropriate for that article. I suppose we should come up with some criteria on that page's talk page. The History of Kentucky article needs work, too, and I'll be focussing on it in the immediate future. I think it could use so kind of visual timeline, but I definately think that the main timeline should continue to be developed in more depth as a separate article.

Other worthwhile topics would be the development of agriculture and industry in the state, including the importance of horse farming and racing, as well as the discovery and exploitation of coal deposits. Lamont A Cranston 18:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. I just sectionized the Timeline of Kentucky history article and added some entries and references. I think it's OK to just throw things in there (regardless of noteability, but just keep it in reasonable order and format) and use it as a tool for writing the History of Kentucky article. I vote we go ahead and start Kentucky in the Civil War. Russellville Convention can just merge and redirect there, I think. IMO, we need to pay close attention to the Border states (Civil War), the Western Theater of the American Civil War and other articles trying not to be too redundant. I think it would also be cool to make sure all the town and city articles that play a role have some summary and linkage to the Kentucky in the Civil War article.

By the way, I want to make it clear that I don't ardently oppose a separate timeline article, so nobody should worry that I'll AfD it or anything. :) Also, I think it's great that there's already interest in creating the Kentucky in the Civil War article, but I don't see why we can't keep the Russellville Convention as a separate article, as there's probably a lot to write on specific to that subject. The Kentucky in the Civil War should mainly summarize and tie together what's in other articles, while perhaps adding some minor content of its own. It's naturally a summary article. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that there is enough content for separate articles on the major battles. There are already articles on some of the major battles. We need to be careful not to make duplicate articles because some of these battles had several names. I like doing biographies and plan on doing some on civil war military groups. I've been reading some existing articles to see how to make them match in naming style and format. FloNight ^talk 20:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Discovery of a great image source

Lately, I've discovered a great source for images we can use in the Wikipedia. Go to Flickr's Advanced Search page and search for a subject as if searching for something on Google, but to be sure that the images are usable on Wikipedia, at the bottom of the search page check "Only search within Creative Commons-licensed photos", then also check "Find content to use commercially" and "Find content to modify, adapt, or build upon". These must be checked to find images that would be accepted by Wikipedia. Image:AliCenter.jpg is an example of the quality of images I've been able to find there. Hope this helps us really expand images in articles in this project and elsewhere. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I use them quite alot. I added an image from Flikr to Cumberland Gap article today. I have several more of the Gap that I may add if the article is expanded. Usually I upload them to Commons instead of Wikipedia so that other projects can use them. Other people do too, so looking in Commons for images is a good idea. Also, remember that not all Creative Commons licenses are accepted on Wikipedia and Commons. Only by-sa (Attribution-ShareAlike), by ((Attribution), or sa(ShareAlike). CC licenses that are limited to non-commercial use can not be used either place. Commons does not allow any type of fair use image so do not upload them there. FloNight ^talk 21:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Kentucky in the Civil War

Kentucky in the Civil War is now an article. Louisville in the Civil War has a lot of content that can be used there (Thanks Stevietheman) as do a scad of Town, City, Battlefield, Park and other articles. I have learned of Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history and added their tag to the talk page. As yet, they have no American Civil War taskforce in their array of subprojects, but that could change. It is possible that a massive collaboration to optimize coverage of the whole Civil War may happen and our little project could play a part. We'll see. CQ 18:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. I would also recommend to anyone who can make it to the Kentucky State Fair to go by the Kentucky Historical Society area and all the Kentucky county booths and collect all the historical info you can find--this is all in the South Wing. I have two bagfulls of brochures and stuff, and I'm looking forward to finding new jewels of info. Of course, much of that might end up going into city, county, park and other articles, but some could also go into the history articles as well. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

New project image

Today I created and uploaded a new image for the project. It's currently displaying on the project page and all project templates. Let me know if you like it or would prefer something else, or that this image should be altered. I just thought the project would be more identifiable by using the state's shape with a farm background rather than the state's flag, as it doesn't differentiate from other flags very well at small sizes. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 05:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Change patrol

OK, I've been sneaking around like a naughty little gnome to ensure that all Kentucky-related articles were catalogued--this is mostly complete, although a bot is still set to run to catalogue much of the remaining articles not yet catalogued. This cataloguing was needed for two reasons: 1) To make it easier for us to organize project tasks and apply quality scales, and 2) To make it possible to have a "change patrol" on all Kentucky-related pages. This is to announce that change patrolling is now possible--Check it out on the project page. Please feel free to offer feedback, and hopefully, use the new tools. Enjoy. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 06:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Plane crash

Comair jet crashed in Lexington KY. Likely no survivors. 50 people onboard. Does someone want to start an article? FloNight 12:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Very sorry to hear this. I guess this would be crafted into an article the same way other major accidents are. Check out Accidents and incidents in aviation#Lists of commercial airliner accidents for how they are listed, and certainly for examples of what such an article would look like. Also, make sure it's categorized under Category:Transportation in Kentucky and catalogued for the project ({{WikiProject Kentucky}} on the talk page). It should also be tagged as a current event, as the facts are still streaming out about it. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 16:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• I see that this WikiProject has created a template for commerical airliner incidents in Kentucky, and made that a subcategory of commercial airliner incidents in the US. There is no other state that has this subcategory, and going to the US version, I was looking for this crash, and it wasn't there. I was going to add it, until I saw it was a part of this one. Can we just get rid of this template, and use the US version? I realize you are all proud of WikiProject Kentucky, but, shouldn't we draw a line of what gets broken down to the state level, and what might be more useful at the country level? Just curious... Figgie123 12:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm relatively new to the project and didn't even know we had such a template, but I'd say your suggestion makes a lot of sense. You have my vote to proceed. Acdixon 14:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Standardization of state templates

(This is copied over from Template talk: Kentucky)

There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding standardization of state templates (primarily regarding layout and styling) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates. An effort was made earlier this year to standardize Canadian province templates (which mostly succeeded). Lovelac7 and I have already begun standardizing all state templates. If you have any concerns, they should be directed toward the discussion page for state template standardization. Thanks! Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for September activities

Here's some ideas for things we could especially work on in September. Please feel free to add your own suggestions.

• Take Kentucky and Lexington, Kentucky to featured status.
• Create articles for everything in the "Requested articles" list.
• Pay special attention to election-related articles.

Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Lamont boldly went ahead and created the Focus of the month section on the project page. For this month, if anyone can think of anything that really needs to be worked on in September, please add to the list. For October, perhaps we will create that list from a kind of nomination process, or whatever a consensus wants to do. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 23:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to find sources and citations for the Hatfield-McCoy feud article. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 16:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know. I've added this to "Articles needing attention" on the project page. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 03:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Kentucky award

I'd like to get working on a WPKY award, because I think that awards can motivate people to work harder and better. Also, the WikiPedia awards page says "be bold," so I think we ought to. Let's hear some thoughts on the subject. My vote is for the Bluegrass Star or the Bourbon star. A star covered in dripping red wax springs to mind, but I suppose it would be a bit POV to shill for Maker's;). Lamont A Cranston 22:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

How about using the image Image:Kentucky quarter, reverse side, 2001.jpg, tinted gold? Just a thought. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 23:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I have posted a proposal here. Please feel free to comment on it, and note that I am open to other suggestions, because I've never been the best image editor.Lamont A Cranston 13:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

It looks good to me. I only noted that it could be brightened. That should be easy to do with the GIMP. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln

Abraham Lincoln is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 00:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Bowling Green population discrepancies

The U.S. Census Bureau projects approximately 52,000 people live in Bowling Green as of 2005. However, all welcome signs to the city have very recently been changed, boasting a population of 63,400. Does anyone know why? Does it have something to do with the city including a large portion of WKU students in the count?

I'd like to add that simply because the city's welcome signs now read this number doesn't mean it's true and therefore should not be posted on Bowling Green's Wikipedia page; it's very misleading. A population of 63,400 would put B.G. well ahead of Owensboro, making it the third largest city in the state, but in the same sentence it states we are the fourth most populous city. Thoughts? IONman02 01:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. I suggest that a reasonable action would be to take a photo of the sign and upload it to the commons with a Creative Commons license of your choosing. Pictures speek louder than words, ya know. Then you can add the photo to a section titled something like "Census discrepancy" that simply presents the inconsistancy in neutral terms. • CQ 14:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Elbow room cried Daniel Boone

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Wikia

Some time ago, a few WikiProject Kentucky members started the Kentucky Wikicity at Jimbo and Angela's Wikia space (formally WikiCities). This space can be used by Kentuckians to develop non-encyclopedic content and web resources that are innapropriate for Wikipedia but important for Kentucky.

The site has sort of lapsed into a stagnant state, but I personally think it's an excellent way to expand our workspace as a project, while helping to cleanup the ever-more-bloated Wikipedia:Project namespace. I also think it's a great tool for free expression as a Proud Kentuckian and a way to build an online community of interest for our Commonwealth. Feel free to get involved there. • CQ 14:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I posted some ideas for an almanac (external to the Wikipedia) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kentucky/Almanac a while back. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Kentucky Units in the Civil War

I have started writing articles for the member units of the Orphan Brigade. I have only delt with a stub for Cobb's Battery thus far. I will attack more on Monday. If anyone else works on any of the member units, be aware of the Template UnitsoftheOrphanBrigade that I put together to try to help crossreference the Units fairly quickly. Soldan 20:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your work! Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Higher Education Template

I'm new to the project (and Wikipedia) so I don't want to just start changing things without asking, but I think we need to update the Kentucky Higher Education template to reflect the changes in the community college system. Specifically, the following colleges have merged:

• Morehead (Rowan Technical College) - merged with Maysville Community College to become Maysville Community and Technical College
• Owensboro Technical College - merged with Owensboro Community College to become Owensboro Community and Technical College
• Paintsville (Mayo Technical College) and Prestonsburg Community College (which is spelled Prestonburg on the template) - merged to become Big Sandy Community and Technical College

We also need to decide what to do with the related articles.

My recommendations would be to eliminate the above four colleges from the template and add the Kentucky Community and Technical College System. I think we should have the articles forward to the appropriate merged school, and mention in the opening paragraph for that school that it is the product of a merger. If I can get a couple of assents to this course of action, I'll take care of it. Acdixon 21:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I concur except that I think it would be best if the new merged colleges appeared in the template rather than the Kentucky Community and Technical College System. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops. Didn't make that very clear, did I? The merged colleges already appear on the template. I proposed deleting the pre-merger colleges and, as a separate action, adding KCTCS. I'm debating on whether the articles related to the pre-merger colleges ought to redirect or be deleted. Anyway, I'll delete them from the template and wait for some feedback on adding KCTCS and deleting/redirecting the pre-merger articles. Thanks!Acdixon 20:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I've caused the merged colleges to redirect as per discussion here. Acdixon 13:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Still doing cleanup in Kentucky higher education. Are Kentucky Mountain Bible College, Clear Creek Baptist Bible College, and Draughons Junior College omitted from the Higher Ed template intentionally or by oversight? If by oversight, I will add them. I'll also see what I can do with regard to the requested Commonwealth Baptist College article.

I've added infoboxes to all of the institutions of higher learning in Kentucky, added them all to WikiProject Kentucky and WikiProject Schools, ensured they bear the Kentucky Higher Education template (except when they don't appear on the template yet) and any relevant stubbing, and tried to add categories where appropriate. I also cleaned up the articles for all the community and technical colleges, which were often one-sentence wonders like: "Bowling Green Technical College is a community college within the Bowling Green, Kentucky." What about a category for members of the Kentucky Community and Technical College System? Yes or no won't hurt my feelings.

Several of these higher ed articles could benefit from someone with some local knowledge. Hope to spark some interest soon. Acdixon 21:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Big Blue Nation

Thought I'd throw this one out for discussion. About a week ago, I authored an article entitled Big Blue Nation regarding the rabid fan base of University of Kentucky athletics. It was subsequently redirected by another user to the article on Kentucky Wildcats. I disputed the change with the user, and he relented and reverted his redirect, but contended that the article might constitute vandalism (?!?!) under Wikipedia's guidelines. I'm not intimately familiar with those guidelines, but I maintained that Big Blue Nation was just as valid an article topic as Cameron Crazies or Raider Nation.

I realize I'm asking a group that could be biased, but give me your feedback. How should this article be handled? Acdixon 14:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

If the term "Big Blue Nation" can be referenced (as I said in the article's talk), and if it's the predominant term to describe UK's "rabid fan base", then it should be all right. I think this subject is notable enough. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

First round of category hierarchy cleanup complete

Today, I completed the first round of category hierarchy cleanups in Category:Kentucky. Before I started this cleanup, the category hierarchy was very disorganized and incoherent, and a lot of articles were miscategorized in the top category.

The next round of cleanup will involve category renaming to correspond with similar names used for categories under other states. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Focus of the Month

Since we're a week out from October, check out the nominations for October Focus. Feel free to add your own, and indicate which ones you think should have the highest priority.

By the way, whatever we don't complete for this month's focus can be carried over into October. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Leaving to concentrate on Louisville-related subjects

Due to time constraints and wiki-burnout, I'm withdrawing from this project and most Kentucky-related work. However, if anyone here needs technical assistance for this project, please don't hestitate to ring me up. Good luck for the future, and Cheers! Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 22:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Kentuckian featured in DYK

Benjamin Hardin Helm was featured on DYK on 2 October 2006. ...that when Abraham Lincoln's brother-in-law, Confederate Brig Gen. Benjamin Hardin Helm was killed at the Battle of Chickamauga, Lincoln's White House went into mourning?

Education in Kentucky article - Please review, edit, and comment

I've been working on a draft of a daughter article for the Kentucky article entitled Education in Kentucky. As I didn't want it to go live without some peer review, I've created it as a subpage that can be found here. I am not happy with parts of it, but I've at least put a framework out there that can be edited and expanded. Please lend a hand to get this article ready for "prime time". Thanks. Acdixon 18:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Lieutenant Governors of Kentucky

I've been writing stubs for the Lieutenant Governors of Kentucky that were missing from the Wiki. If anyone who knows more about these folks than I do can go behind me and expand them some, it would be most awesome. Soldan 21:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Hi, would someone be able to get a picture of the Morgan family home in Lexington, Kentucky for his article? Thanks. --Peta 00:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Governors of Kentucky

Would it be better to use the "Politician Infobox" for Governors of Kentucky, considering the majority of them held other offices? Thanks Soldan 17:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks appropriate to me. Are there any other infoboxes you were considering? Acdixon 18:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking of using the "Politician Infobox" rather than the "Governor Infobox" merely because the majority of the Governors of Kentucky (it seems) have held other positions within the state and federal governments.Soldan 02:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to new WikiProject

A new WikiProject has been started, and may be of interest to members here. It is WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. It covers all listings on the Register, in all states and territories. Should you be so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. -Ebyabe 19:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 19:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Assessment system for Christmas

Hi,

I noticed this WikiProject would like to have an Assessment System, following the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team's system. It would provide an opportunity for interested contributors to assess any article in the WikiProject. An example of how this would look can be found at the Ethnic groups articles by quality assessment table. I've done this before for two different WikiProjects. Come Christmas or so (I'm a bit busy now), I can do it for this WikiProject too, if no one beats me to it. --Ling.Nut 02:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ling.Nut has been kind enough to help me get started on this assessment system. I lifted an assessment rubric from our friends over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisville, and tried to adapt it to our project. Please review it and make any appropriate changes. We have created the appropriate categories, but have not yet modified the WikiProject Kentucky project banner template to accept quality and class parameters. Acdixon 15:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

just a question about the pikeville college administration building

Why is the Star of David on 2 of the windows of the building? I found it interesting. ~Rachel Scanlon 12/8/06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rachel E Scanlon (talk • contribs) 17:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Look at more information

Hey, i just wanted to let you all know the real story. Heaven Hill wasn't "started" by the Shapira's. It was started by my great Grand Father named Harlan Mathis. If you want to check, call the editor of the local newspaper in bardstown kentucky and ask them to look up the article where my great grand father sold it to them. Thanks. jediwang 12/11/06

List of famous Kentuckians overhaul

I've just completed a major overhaul of List of famous Kentuckians complete with citation. I'd like it to pass a Featured List review, but I've only been editing a few months, so I'd like some input from seasoned editors as to what else might be required for it to pass such a review. Please help, and thanks in advance. Acdixon 15:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)