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Thank you for you time. [[User:Fischersc|fischersc]] 20:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for you time. [[User:Fischersc|fischersc]] 20:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe it would have been more proper if you would have discussed the category differences on my talk page before undoing the several hours I spent adding the Old Testament categories. Your actions have disheartened me. I look forward to you response.
[[User:Fischersc|fischersc]] 20:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)[[]] 23:38, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

  • Dear Ram-Man: Thank you for all this information. I will need to give your communication some thought. Best wishes. IZAK 06:03, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • As do many others. Take as much time as you need and get back to me whenever you'd like. Update: I've updated the original comment, which contains more useful links. – Ram-Man (comment) (talk)[[]] 23:38, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Template:biblegateway

Hi, thanks for your reasonable adjustment to the template I created.

I made a comment here: Template_talk:Biblegateway#Change_in_format. I am not associated with that website, nor am I a great fan of their origins. However, they do an outstanding and well-made range of Christian translations.

I would like to continue with sensitive NPOV contributions on some of the pages where both Jews and Christians have an interest. I declare myself a Christian, but interested in that NPOV!

I hope to see you around. I have found the contributions of yours that I have glanced at to be very valuable. I hope you will come to think the same. — Dizzley (Peter H) 12:06, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

See Book of Amos#External links - I hope you like the effect. Dizzley (Peter H)

List of High Priests of Israel

Oh my. By which, of course, I mean, GOOD FRACKIN LORD. Who comes up with this stuff? I seriously doubt pretty much all of them after John Hyrcanus II...if you look at the list, there are only 2 for whom there exist articles...Caiaphas, who is only attested in the Christian appendage to the Bible, and Theophilus ben Ananus, who is attested somewhat dubiously from the writings of Josephus. The other apparent legitimate Kohen Gadol is Jonathan, except if you actually click on the blue link, it takes you to Yonathan, chaver laMelekh (Davidh). I'm tempted to go put a {{fact}} after each and every one of the peeps in the list. I concur with you...some of these names are not even remotely "Jewish", by which I mean either Hebrew or Aramaic...Antigonus, from Antigone, Ananelus, Aristobulus, Ananelus (restored) = romanized Greek, Joshua ben Fabus...ben WHO? Simon ben Boethus, I assume they mean Shim`on ben Bo`ethya (to make up a name that sounds at least somewhat Hebrew), Mattathias ben Theophilus? Maybe they mean Matithyahu ben Ohavyahu? (WHO?!) Joazar ben Boethus? Who is this Boethus? and then [his brother?] Elazar...followed quickly by Joshua ben Sie [who?] then another pineapple Ananus ben Seth [Ananya ben Sheth perhaps? but still...WHO?!] OMG. I'm not going to go through the other 2/3 of the list, but this is, in a word, without citation, ridiculous. Or, in the words of Suzie Changstein (I believe that was her name in that Seinfeld ep.), "ridicurous". That said, the last one is clearly supposed to be Pinchas ben Shmu`'el.(again, tho, WHO?!) :-p TomerTALK 09:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Basically, since I think that the whole point of the names at the bottom of the list is to function as a kind of Stalking horse for New Testament pseudo-scholars, and has nothing to do with the facts of Jewish history at that time. Go ahead, as it was Clint who said, "make mah day", and dispute the whole darn list for all I care since it's full of "misfabrications". IZAK 09:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
What!? Are you axking me to do you all the dirty werks?! :-p TomerTALK 11:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so I'll start then...watch me go... IZAK 11:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Grabbing my dramamine! :-) TomerTALK 11:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Red String

Sigh- so it's come to this. Your comments in the discussion have sank to you claiming support of creationist beliefs over evolution science. Firstly this has nothing to do with the article- so there's no point putting it on the discussion page there.

If you want to argue with the science- then bring it on. I'll wait for you and everyone else to bring forth mountains of papers published in peer-reviewed mainstream scientific journals that support your claims. (I've been waiting for a long time now.) If however you want to attack my opinions in the same spirit that you think I've attacked yours... I haven't attacked your beliefs. I haven't denigrated your beliefs. I've repeatedly said that people's beliefs are their own right. It's only when they make pronouncements about the physical testable factual world that I will step in and ask them for proof. Please stop lecturing me about what you think of my beliefs (which you don't know). Oh- and don't insinuate that your religion is being victimized here because people are too scared of Islam. Yeah- right- Islamists are going to look up my IP address and hunt me down. Maybe you'd like to guess my religion? Maybe I'm Islamic, in which case your comments are in incredibly bad taste. Maybe I'm a 'heathen' as you put it- in which case I presumably have no right to edit religious Wikipedia pages.

The most ridiculous thing is that we actually helped put together a reasonably unbiased page. There's really little need for insulting me- telling me that I've 'trivialized' concepts etc.

I think you need to take a chill pill. I'm going to leave by thanking you for the work on the article and on Wikipedia in general.Christianjb 12:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Christianjb: Please do not misconstrue my "methodology", I just enjoy trying to look at different aspects of subjects, that's all. And I do agree with you that the Red string (Kabbalah) article is not that bad after all. I really enjoy having a top-notch dialogue with you. Thanks again. IZAK 03:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob ben Isaac Ashkenazi

You made a kind of sloppy edit at Jacob ben Isaac Ashkenazi. I did my best to fix it to what I think was your intention, but you should have a look and see if the result is what you meant to do. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of political epithets

I wonder if you wouldn't mind taking a look at this; an anonymous editor is insisting on adding the term "Anti-Semite", thus claiming that is a political epithet, rather than a description of someone who hates Jews. Jayjg (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Noahide Laws

Please have a look at Noachian Law and its AFD. Thanks. JFW | T@lk 00:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Davidic line again

Davidic line could use your input again. The BUPC section is based on a very, very poor source as outlined on the talk page, as you are probably aware. If I delete this section I'll be called partisan — even if wikipedia policies are clear. Thanks, MARussellPESE 14:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Categories and Get

Thank you for your comments on my talk page. I will seek your input before adding categories on new articles in this area, that way you can take a look at the article itself, if you have time. With respect to the Get articles, please note my comments on those articles talk pages at Talk: Get (divorce document). Please note that the categories for Get (conflict), the categories were (and still are) International law‬ and ‪Law‬. It did not come up when I looked at the Jewish article categories. As I noted at Talk:Get (divorce document), I simply did not notice the existence of Get (conflict) and, although it is listed in the Get disambiguation page, the reference is ambiguous. I simply missed it. Joaquin Murietta 15:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PS please feel free to use the list of articles on my talk page for your review of categories. Joaquin Murietta 15:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Judah ben Baba

Please take a look at Judah ben Baba and feel free to edit the categories. Thanks Joaquin Murietta 16:34, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you liked it

Please see the discussion re: Judea & Samaria vs. WB at Template talk:Israelis. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 10:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Right now I am working on updating the List of political parties in Israel (lot's of old parties were left out), and working to improve Category:Political parties in Israel, where I have also started Category:Defunct political parties in Israel. All this has been an outgrowth of my work on the new party Kadima, so that people can perhaps comprehend that Israeli political parties basically "mutate", they never stand still and that Israeli politicians have always been carving out and reshaping new political parties and alliances. So what Sharon and Peres are doing right now is actually an old "Israeli Middle Eastern political trick" that may surprize people not familiar with the fluidity of Israeli "party" politics, but has always been a "stock in trade" of the elite Israeli power-brokers. IZAK 10:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Great. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 10:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User Eliezer is making outrageous personal attacks and reverting articles

I am being harassed by User Eliezer, who keeps making personal attacks on me, is accusing other Wikipeida contributors of attempting to "shock" and deceive readers of our articles, is making outrageous lies about my editing, and is unilaterally reverting a consensus version of an article to one which pushes his own religious belief system. For almost a year I have tried to work with him, along with JayJg and JFW, but Eliezer shows no sign of stopping his religious tirade.

Eliezer is now trying to ban me from Wikipedia by flat-out lying. He is making outrageous baldfaced lies, such as (a) I am writing under sockpuppets, and (b) that I am making more than three reversions in a single day. In point of fact (a) I use no sock puppets, and I proudly sign the discussion page of each article, and (b) two reverts is not more than three. Eliezer has become unhinged in his outrageous dishonesty. RK 20:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Eliezer's latest violations of Wikipedia policy are thus:

  • Doing multiple reverts of an article that had a stable consensus state, and then flat out denies that he had done so, even though the edit history clearly shows this.
  • Making false accusations that I am editing Wikipedia under some kind of "sockpuppet", a bizarre and obviously false lie. In fact, despite using multiple computers, I take pains to sign in and use my username, RK.
  • "Outing" Wikipedia members who edit under anonymous usernames by broadcasting their real names in the article Discussion pages. This is a gross breach of Wikipedia protocol.
  • Lying about the status of an important researcher in the field of the disputed subject. (Eliezer keeps retitling Rabbi Professor David Beger and Mr. Berger, which is not only misleading, but also considered a gross and delibertae insult in the Jewish community.
  • Inserting attacks questioning academic and Orthodox Jewish authorities whose view of Chabad theology differs from his own. When discussing the new forms of theology developing within Chabad, Eliezer refuses to allow various POVs to be shown in accord with our NPOV policy. Rather, his edit censors multiple academic and Orthodox voices, and replaces all of their POvs with the slur "While the term received little attention at the time, it was later used to shock those who have no exposure to these sources." Please see the article to see the full context. Eliezer is stating that academic and Orthodox Jews who disagree with messianic Chabad beliefs are deceiving their readers by shocking them, and not letting them know that such beliefs are (in Eliezer's view) standard theology. Of course, how could anyone know, since his edits cut out many quotes and sources....all with an array of POVs that Eliezer apparently does not want our readers to be exposed to. RK

For example, Eliezer write "I would like to make a note here about the use of sockpuppets by RK to circumvent his restrictions in editing Judaism related articles. He is 66.155.200.129. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 19:42, 2 December 2005 (UTC)"[reply]

Well, that's just bizarre. Please see the page in question, Chabad, which I sign with my username all the time. In fact, my name is all over that page, explaining my edits. There is simply no way that Eliezer can claim that I am trying to hide my User ID identity. He's just out of control. RK 20:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • RK: Certainly some of the points you mention are truly objectionable. He actually "outs" people? That's really disgusting. All I can say or advise, in Wikipedia parlance, is the following, (otherwise it's like chasing "ghosts" and going nowhere by "marching in place"):
  1. You are definitely having a serious problem with Eliezer' Wikipedia:Etiquette to say the least,
  2. you need to look towards Wikipedia:Resolving disputes, and
  3. you can either look into Wikipedia:Requests for mediation or
  4. you can aim for Wikipedia:Requests for comment (RFC) and from there,
  5. make it a case for Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration (See also Wikipedia:Arbitration policy) about a "final" ruling.

It is time for you to decide to follow the above process, which will allow other people to look into this in a methodical fashion, rather than running around in circles as is happening at the present time. Sincerely, IZAK 06:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About this subject of "outing" people. He was already "outed by himself and many others. Many times he signs his name with his username and real name. See the following links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Old_mediation_requests http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-August/006096.html http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-October/006959.html http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-April.txt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EntmootsOfTrolls/RKdia http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2002-December/026001.html http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-July/013966.html http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-January/009209.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EntmootsOfTrolls/ban http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-January.txt

  • Firstly, please sign any comments with the four tildes ~~~~ so that it's clear to whom comments belong. Secondly, while some people may know who "RK" may be, his name should not be mentioned in full if it makes him upset, so no need to mention his name when it is obviously used as a form of personal attack. Thirdly, the question is not so much about who "RK" is, because he is quite well know on Wikipedia since he is one of the oldest and most active editors for a long time but rather is Eliezer "outing" other users on Wikipedia who do not wish to have their own names splashed around? Finally, why are things sinking to such a low level of silliness and babyishness at this time? IZAK 07:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
My point was that not just many people know who he was, but he himself signed his name with his username followed by his real name. I only brought that to bring a proof from his own words about how his and everyone elses silence on the version that was sitting there for a few months that they agreed with it and that there was consensus. I have nothing personal against RK, and now that I have seen how much it has affected him, I won't "splash" it around. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 14:47, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

chabad

I left the following comment on Nandesuka's page. Regarding your comments to chabad. I have to admit I am not the best writer. However when speaking about reverting to a better written version you must take into account, whether this better written version is accurate and in a NPOV. I would like to ask for your help in improving the chabad article from a grammatical view. Thanks. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 07:23, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re Maalot

Sorry IZAK, unless its a regular vandalism, I won't be much help there. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 10:16, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, the article is a mess, but I don't have any experience in the geography or politics of Israel. I'm more knowledgeable about hashkafa, halacha and Jewish texts. Yoninah 10:18, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks all for trying, the problem is that one-time User:Fulani made some weird changes [1] which I have reverted for now. Thanks for looking into this. IZAK 10:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I tried to tidy up that article. I moved it to Maalot-Tarshikha and moddeled it on the article Kaaba (where no odd symbols are in the article title). Please check it, as I don't know much about Israeli cities. Izehar 10:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me, I just wonder what User Gilgamesh will say? IZAK 10:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Gilgamesh has been pushing for "scholarly" transliterations of Hebrew names on the grounds that Hebrew is important to Christianity and Islam. Why he is renaming Israeli villages remains a mystery. The only person who would want to look up Maalot-Tarshikha is someone who is likely to visit it. They will want to know how it is pronounced, not how stuffy academics write it. You did notice that his version did not include a simple transliteration. I'd like to know what relevance Maalot-Tarshikha has to Christianity and Islam that warrants its renaming. Izehar 10:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, it's not such a tough question, Gilgamesh likes the idea of a combined name "Israel-Palestine", I guess he supports the "one state idea" which would then be majority Arab (not nice for the Jews, but he would probably not lose sleep over it.) In the past he in fact tried to put all the towns and cities of Israel into a new category called "Israel-Palestine" and we had to stop him and make him put them back into Category:Geography of Israel. In fact he wrote the short article Israel-Palestine in July 2004, and you can read the debates I had with him then at Talk:Israel-Palestine about that subject. Recently, he got a new "brain-wave" and created Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations which is a way of getting his pet subjects "in through the back door" by creating pro-Arab categories (they are certainly not pro-Israeli!). Imagine if someone created Category:Arab cities with prior significant Jewish populations? He also does not like the idea that Hebrew belongs to the Jews as a language, he prefers inventions from professors' theories about Canaanite languages, see my debates with him also in July 2004 at Talk:Canaanite languages and at Talk:Modern Hebrew language#Do Gilgamesh and Mustafa "own" Hebrew on Wikipedia? and continuing at Talk:Hebrew languages. Gilgamesh is also a very proud Mormon and one wonders if that has anything to do with his desire to inject himself into every discussion that involves the holy Hebrew language of the Jews? (He in fact gets upset when the word "Mormons" is used and tells evryone to use "Latter Day Saints" -- so what if some people don't regard them as "saints"?) How would he react I wonder, if Jews got involved in every issue and reference concerning the language used by the Mormons in their religious texts, writings and utterrances? More people should become aware of this. IZAK 11:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A Mormon? Don't they use the phrase "House of Israel" to refer to themselves (!) and claim to be descendents of the ancient Israelites? You may want to read Mormonism and Judaism#Mormonism to gain a fuller perspective. Anyway, we are having a registered straw poll on Talk:Maalot-Tarshikha#Requested move to move it to the neutral name. Please vote. Izehar 12:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
IZAK...you do not listen. I do not support the "one-state idea", because nationalist politics leave a terrible taste in my mouth. I only believe that everyone has the right and dignity to settle where they wish. Hell, Jews should have every right to settle on the East Bank if they wish, or wherever. As for "Israel-Palestine", it is a discussion term designed specifically to avoid giving preference to either idea when referring to the whole of both regions. Saying only "Israel" will offend some, and only "Palestine" will offend others, and terms like "Canaan", "Levant" and "Holy Land" are ambiguous and don't refer specifically to this area, and that's why some people say "Israel-Palestine", to avoid this whole messy, icky and fully disgusting conflict that shouldn't ever have to be to begin with, because I can never fully respect anyone's solution to a disagreement that does not include peaceful pluralistic coexistence. Personally, I have every wish in the world for Israel to survive and thrive as much as possible, in all its various cultures, especially the world's Jews and Samaritans. They are blessed human beings and, as with the rest of humanity, deserve peace and prosperity. Also, as for "proud Mormon"... I won't deny the religious affiliation, nor my tribe, but it's not a proud affiliation. For one thing, I regard pride as a vice—I am an imperfect being and I strive for humility, and to better myself, and be a kind and decent person to those around me. For another thing, I am totally gay, and I often find myself ostracized in most Mormon cultures, and I'd almost surely be lynched almost anywhere in the Arab world. But as someone who receives a huge amount of persecution and harassment myself, I find myself more addressing of people's concerns when and where they seem legitimate on the surface. And the condition of Arab citizen populations in Israel is a subject many people are interested in. As legal citizens in a state whose second official language is Arabic, they are considered significant enough for even the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics to record them in special context. And if they go to that much effort, why not we? It seems a very encyclopedic topic. As for my involvement in Jewish studies, I actually do have quite a few good Jewish friends, though most are Reform Jews, and only one lives in Israel (in Ra'anana). I also have Christian friends, Muslim friends, Buddhist friends, and even avowed atheist friends, but one thing that makes us all the same is that we're all human beings, equal to one another. When we cannot agree about everything, it is inevitably far more productive to set aside differences and cooperate and find ways to respect other people. It really does not help to make accusations against people one does not even know well. Most of the time, when people launch personal attacks at me, I ignore it, because I figure it's not worth my energy. But if it never stops, it really takes the energy and academic enthusiasm out of editing. Please...just put an end to it—I really hate getting into arguments over a person's character, and I'd still prefer not to, but this just cannot go on forever. I follow science. In an encyclopedic context, I will always follow the scientific method and established empirical scientific fact. Subjects such as the Canaanite languages are scientific orthodoxy, accepted by the scientific community worldwide, including accredited university-trained linguists in Israel itself. Now, I have a suggestion. You focus on your strengths—documenting the traditions and disciplines of your creed. And I will focus on my strengths—the collection and dissemination of scientific canon. They will all find a place here. - Gilgamesh 12:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gilgamesh: One thing I will say though, is that you are a GOOD SPORT and unbelievabley hard-working! It seems every six months or so, maybe longer now, we bump into each other on Wikipedia, yet we are still around to keep the debates going. By the way, you may want to consider joining Reform Judaism as they seem to have adopted a totally pro-gay agenda, see Same Gender Officiation A Statement by Rabbi Eric Yoffie Greensboro, NC March 29, 2000 and Reform Head Blasts Right For 'Bigotry,' 'Blasphemy' By Jennifer Siegel November 25, 2005 Take it easy. IZAK 12:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you...I do appreciate that acknowledgment. So please, won't you give me reasonable credit? I hate scuffles like this. Anyway, I'm thinking of joining Affirmation, an LDS LGBT support group that resists the Church organization's hardline stance and the prevailing culture's antipathy towards all things LGBT. As for Judaism...if I understand it, I can be simply Israel, but I cannot formally be recognized a Jew with the things I believe in. Besides, though I have a great deal of interest in Jewish studies (and read up all the time), I have a greater interest in Samaritan studies, but Samaritan academic materials are much harder to come by because of the culture's small size and obscurity. - Gilgamesh 13:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Gilgamesh: I just figured that for someone like yourself, with your vast knowledge of the Hebrew language and its intricacies, added to your in-depth knowledge of the Tanakh (in it's original language yet!), and your very obvious devotion to Jewish studies all the time, that you are only a few short steps away from becoming a Ger tzedek? However your statement that "As for Judaism...if I understand it, I can be simply Israel" is not correct. Perhaps according to your belief-system you may think of yourself as an "Israel", but according to classical Judaism, if someone is not Jewish then they ought to adhere to the Seven Noahide Laws but that does not make them into type of "Israel" in any way. IZAK 04:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Well, I figured it might differ between Jewish sects. I don't remember the exact details. - Gilgamesh 05:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, IZAK? Look at the edit history of Ma'alot-Tarshiha and see who added the template requesting that the article be renamed. Go ahead. - Gilgamesh 13:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gilgamesh: I did, and I know you put in some good work there. IZAK 04:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I significantly added data to the main article - please review to ensure NPOV, since it has the potential to start another Israeli-Palestinian revert war... Regarding the transliteration, I refer you to the article's talk page were I mentioned that the transliteration is not a matter of "scholarly" transliterations, but an official set of rules (set by the British during their Mandate period). Until it changes officially (together with all road signs etc., we Wikipedia should stick to the official version. Best, altmany 15:20, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations

IZAK, I am supporting your proposed deletion of Category:Cities with significant Arab Israeli populations. I vote delete. I really had no idea it could be a racist issue or a political minefield, but then an autist can rarely see these things, as my theory of mind is radically different and often mutually alien from that of neurotypicals. I mean, I always regarded Arab Israeli cities and mixed cities with esteem, if they can live peacefully in Israeli society without a constant insurrection. Far from being a sign of racism, I thought their special mention would be seen as examples of peaceful coexistence worth documenting. I mean, what's seriously not to like about a multicultural and bilingual Haifa, Yafo, Lod, Tiberias? You couldn't easily say the same of areas under PA administration, where anyone rumored as or seen as a "collaborator" is bound to be lynched on the spot. If the category is racist, then it is because the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics made the approach seem inappropriately overimportant and I don't always easily read between the lines. - Gilgamesh 21:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Gilgamesh, thanks for your serious response. I know you mean well, but I hope that over the years here on Wikipedia you have become a little more sensitized to Jewish and Israeli "sensibilities" (and by this I don't mean to any type of "POV") because there are some "hot button" issues that are guaranteed to perk up their antennae if topics near and dear to their hearts and minds are mishandled. And I will say to you again, as an example, that both as a Jew and as an editor, I would not dream or dare to creep into articles devoted to Category:Mormonism which I know mean so much to you, and start potentially controversial articles and categories (even if backed up by outside scholarship) in areas that I know are very sensitive and would trigger vituperative counter-responses. Even though Wikipedia encourges the notion of "be bold" but that should never mean one check's common sense at the door the instant you log onto Wikipedia to edit and write articles in any field. IZAK 04:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ahh...well, autists do not have "common sense" in the way neurotypicals understand it. An autist's common sense is very different, and autists and neurotypicals cannot always intuitively understand each other's reasonings. However, since I as an autist am in the minority theory of mind in this world, I always try to figure out the neurotypical theory of mind and work with it where I can. I also try to educate neurotypicals about my theory of mind—to the best of my ability—so they can work with mine. Communication is the key. - Gilgamesh 22:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Judaism and Controversy

IZAK, got your note. Thanks for taking the time to write; it's appreciated. First, I'm concerned that you may be getting an unclear picture of me based on a few articles. I have an interest in Haredi Judaism and its personalities and try to keep updated of what's going on in that sector. I haven't been posting controversial stuff for muck-raking's sake, but rather out of a desire to make the articles more complete. Furthermore, I think you may have misinterpreted my intent in my added information to the Eliashiv article; all I wanted to do there was to demonstrate to people that may not have had much knowledge about Eliashiv that he had a varying range of opinions/rulings and that it was hard to "pin him down"- to this end, the (what I considered significant) tidbits about him ruling Sharon was not a rodef. Ditto for the Greenberg anecdote, which I can't decide was objectionable because it was originally private (certainly no longer, as per the link I provided), or because it could be construed as him giving him support to homosexuality (which, after all, is not what he says, either). Being a new contributor, I'm fully willing to admit that I might need more experience in determining what's worthy of being included or not. That said, I'm a little unclear on whether you're taking issue with material being controversial, untrue, or simply unflattering. Anyway, my intention is not to offend or attack, but merely to help contribute. I'd respectfully ask for your patience, and maybe a little advice. Regards, and thanks again. ShalomShlomo 10:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • ShalomShlomo: Thanks for your comments. Yes, it's smart to worry about putting in stuff that smacks of "muck-raking" but it's noticable that you are willing to contribute important information. One should weigh the kind of information and facts that are to be inserted into any article and the way that words and ideas are phrased to avoid not just "POV" but also the "appearance of POV", as in the notion of "justice should not only be done, it should appear to be done!" Please feel free to call on me. Rav Eliashiv is not a man of many words and you are putting too much into his mouth and blowing things out of proportion by attributing little disjointed scraps to him. The question with "rodef" is that you are "quoting" him for what he did not say, as if not saying something by "ommision" is worthy of a "quote", which it is not. With Greenberg, it in no way means that Rav Eliashiv condones homosexuality because he may have said something unusual in a personal discussion with Greenberg (regardless if Greenberg then goes and writes it up on the Internet -- we will never know if it's true or not because Rav Eliashiv won't tell anyone what he told Greenberg). Best wishes with your work. IZAK 10:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • IZAK: My intent with the rodef comment was meant to contextualize Eliashiv's "middle-ground" position in the Orthodox world; that while some others may have said Sharon was a rodef or like a rodef, it had been made public (albeit indirectly, via the interview with the other rabbi) that Eliashiv had said he was not. In other words, I was trying to quote him as saying, "Sharon is NOT a rodef", as opposed to quoting him as NOT saying Sharon was a rodef. Does that make sense? I feel that his negative ruling on Sharon's rodef status is probably something worth mentioning, but I'm interested in your thoughts. Maybe it's a question of phrasing? As far as Greenberg- I agree with your comments there. I wrote a new version of this (after checking his book for the complete text) and put it on Greenberg's page, as it makes more sense there. I also added some context to try and emphasize why I thought the anecdote, if accurate, is significant. Feel free to take a look. Thanks for the advice; it's appreciated. ShalomShlomo 11:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Shalom: Obviously, if Rav Aliashiv gave the green light for his party Degel HaTorah to support and be a part of Sharon's government he did not think of Sharon as a "rodef". For that matter, it was not rabbis from Rav Eliashiv's camp that would have called Rabin a "rodef" either because they just don't talk in those terms and they do not incite anyone to violence. On the contrary, they would hold that it is the "victims", i.e. the Haredi Jews themselves, as was the case with forbidding Haredi girls to join the army, who should sacrifice their own lives (yehareg ve'al ya'avor) rather than transgress a decree of the rabbis. It is only some rabbis from the National Religious camp that talk in those terms, in a "sermonic" fashion, but it's very doubtful they want anyone to act on those words, even though people think Amir acted on the "advice" of rabbis, he did NOT! Orthodox Judaism is very subtle, but it does not incite to violence and certainly never to kill, it's just unthinkable! It's not a case of "fanatics" running around screaming crazy things, certainly not the rabbinic leadership, and certainly not Rav Eliashiv who basically never speaks in public. One must tread with caution here. IZAK 12:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have left a note on ShalomShlomo's talk page concerning CITE. JFW | T@lk 12:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

JewHist-stub at SFD

Hi IZAK - you seem to be confused about what is happening at SFD. No-one is talking about getting rid of the template and category, simply renaming them to be in line with the stub naming conventions. All that means is that {{JewHist-stub}} and Category:Jewish history-related stubs would become {{Jewish-hist-stub}} and Category:Jewish history stubs. It would be a bit silly having this category as "xxx-related stubs" when all the others are "xxx stubs" (which they will be within a week), or having "JewHist-stub" when all other history stub subcategory templates are of the form xxx-hist-stub. I'd ask you to please reconsider your vote. Grutness...wha? 11:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

when you get a minute...

Can you look at Talk:Kaddish, specifically, my translation of lines 29-31? Artscroll doesn't have an English or interlingual siddur for nusaḥ eiðoþ hamizraḥ, and I don't have an aramaic dictionary... Thanks. Tomertalk 07:38, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know. I've been refreshing the page pathologically waiting for you to step in. ;-) I'm going to bed now I think... ttyl. Tomertalk 08:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sepharad

I'm not really sure what to make of it... Jayjg (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's "odd". I edited it a bit, but it should prolly be merged into about half a dozen other articles and redirected to Sephardi. Tomertalk 00:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

vote

Hi, there's a vote on at Talk:Mormon views about Mormonism and Judaism#Name change. Just thought you should know. Izehar (talk) 00:21, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Quote added by Ian Pitchford

A user has repeatedly added this quote: [2]

Following the the war (and most notably during and after the trial of Adolf Eichmann) the mufti's role and the extent of his influence with the Nazis were inflated in what historian Idith Zertal describes as "a landmark in the process of the organized, explicit mobilization of the Holocaust in the service of Israeli politics and state policy, especially in the context of the Arab-Israeli conflict". Zertal continues: "The transference of the Holocaust situation on to the Middle East reality, which harsh and hostile to Israel as it was, was of a totally different kind, not only created a false sense of the imminent danger of mass destruction. It also immensely distorted the image of the Holocaust, dwarfing the magnitude of the atrocities committed by the Nazis, trivializing the unique agony of the victims and the survivors, and utterly demonizing the Arabs and their leaders."

  • I pointed out to him that this is predicated on three unverified premises:
    • a) The Mufti's Nazi-ties were exaggerated after the war.
    • b) This was done by Jews/Zionists to further their malign aims, by gaining sympathy.
    • c) There is a campaign to "explicitly mobilize the Holocaust in the service of Israeli politics and state policy."
  • I put it to him that before he can add such a POV quote to the article he must provide the writers answers to how, where and when this was done and not just the why (to gain sympathy by abusing the memory of the holocaust. jucifer 00:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jucifer: In this instance I happen to agree with you, he is espousing historical revisionism. The Mufti was an evil man who did not need "Zionists" to "bolster" his Jew-hating "credentials". On another front I do not agree with your editing-out material relating to Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson in the articles about Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik and Rabbi Yitzchok Hutner -- the three of them had a historical long-standing inter-personal friendship and theological rivarly going back to their days as Eastern European Torah geniuses who spent time studying in Berlin, a universally known fact. So why nit-pick? It just makes you look like you are "out to get" Rabbi Schneerson (with your own POV agenda), a rather pointles and counter-productice undertaking for anyone IZAK 09:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Judaism

Izak, Thanks for your good work, and thanks for your kind note on Portal:Judaism. I would be happy to contribute to the weekly parshah. Do you currently add the new section each week? Do you know what sources go into the material? Thanks for your guidance. Dauster 11:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Dauster: Thanks for your message. I traverse over a broad range of Jewish issues on Wikipedia and I am so impressed that someone is finally working on the Parsha project which has been an on-again-off-again project. Feel free to keep adding, I am sure that once others notice it, it will catch on, and people will add to it. In working to put content into Portal:Judaism I noticed your work in the Parsha area so I wanted to call on you to "keep an eye out" and change the Parsha section early each week, like say on every Sunday, if possible so that the over-all presentations on the Portal:Judaism keep current, and it's good to share responsibilities with so much going on all over Wikipedia. I only deal with the subjects in Category:Jews and Judaism and Category:Israel and Zionism and I am never able to keep track of my own "watchlist", let alone head into "virgin territory" all the time, so that's why I left you the note to help with Parsha on Portal:Judaism each week. Be well and Shabbat Shalom to you and yours! IZAK 12:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Izak: Thanks. I will change the parshah item regularly Sunday evenings (Eastern US time). It will be a pleasure. And congrats again on your good work. Shabbat Shalom to you and yours, as well. Dauster 18:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by Jucifer to Menachem Mendel Schneerson

Please see the edits to Menachem Mendel Schneerson and the discussion on the talk page and please give your input. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 14:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

POV in District of Acre

I haven't checked out other District of X`s (referring to districts of Palestine before 1948), but in District of Acre I'm having a revert war with someone who claims that In 1948, as a result of both the rejection of the 1947_UN_Partition_Plan by the Jewish settlers in Palestine, among other things. Because I'm in the army now, I've really got no time for this, although I did add a few links and words that might help appease the other editor. Please take a look :) Thanks. -- Ynhockey 08:56, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Teitelbaum

Hi IZAK. There seems to be some issues at present involving people continuously changing and reverting the article on Aaron Teitelbaum. I've reverted the page and tried to incorporate some of the other contributors' changes, but if it keeps up, maybe you could step in. Thanks. ShalomShlomo 09:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Het and Khaf

Het and Khaf actually have different sounds, though few Ashkenazim distinguish them - ideally Wikipedia should try to be consistent in this, though it rarely is (see Challah and Chametz). In any event, I'm not sure why it would be difficult to simply move the articles back where they came from - is there some issue with that? Jayjg (talk) 21:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Jay: I am not talking about the "Het" and "Khaf" issue. I am not disputing usage of "Khaf". I'm talking about the usage of Het for Hakham here as in "Hanukkah, Humash, Hazzan, Hivites, Horites, Hebron, Hermon, Horeb, Habakkuk, Ham, Hur, Heshbon etc". My point is that once an article has been set up with a "H", then it should be left that way, even though some articles also have the "Ch" as a first letter -- otherwise it becomes a free-for-all and some people will change things one way and others will change them another way, since there is no clear-cut policy about these things. The reason I am asking for your help is that even though one can easily do a "cut and paste" job of re-directing the article back, but with that method the edit-history of the article gets lost in the proces which makes a lot of people upset, so the correct thing to do is to ask for the help of an admin to revert the article back without the loss of that article's edit history. Best wishes, IZAK 14:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I don't understand why you or he don't simply use the "move" function to move the article back to the original name? Jayjg (talk) 17:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I just followed your advice and presto!... because in the past a red-lettered message would come up "this page already exists please ask an admin to move it." I guess that with all the latest upgrades in the Wiki soft-ware around here lately I was not aware of this possibility. Thanks again. IZAK 19:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your vote on my RfA

Hey IZAK! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was (57/4/3), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, have a question, or just want to chat (or if I get out of line!), please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D

Tomertalk

Hebrew Bible/Tanakh discussion

Hey IZAK, mah nishma?

I was wondering if you could summerize the discussion currently going on. I'll be honest, there was a lot being flung around and it was a bit hard to follow all of it. I would definitely like to vote, because I'm clearly opinionated in the matter ;) but as the discussion stands it's unclear on who's voting on what. More specifically, what the options are aside from Keep or Delete. PS, On a side note, remind me to ask you about Jewish/Israeli music later... or maybe just writing this down will be enough. --Hersch 20:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

your vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish inventors

Hi IZAK, would you apply the same reasoning to categories Slovak and Serbian inventors (which were created by the nominator of this afd)? They are both in my opinion only of usefulness to bolster national or ethnic pride. I don't look for inventors by nationality, I look for them by subject area. Regards Arniep 20:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Arniep: My areas of interest and work are in the fields of Category:Jews and Judaism and Category:Israel and Zionism so I am not getting involved in articles or issues outside of these. In the case of "Lists" and "Categories" for and about Jews I am now firmly against them. I think it's fine to cite a few examples or to have some VERY restricted lists but things have gotten out of hand and some people are creating the craziest lists and categories for Jews that have absolutely no scholarly, intellectaul, or human value. It's more of an obsession than a work of knowledge. If it's a vote on Wikipedia policy I would vote there, but I am not getting involved with subjects and people about which I am not an expert. Please stay in touch. IZAK 20:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Main page links

I've fixed them, hope they're ok now. Jayjg (talk) 18:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

BCE Vote

There's a rather interesting vote on at Talk:Jesus#VOTE: BC/AD vs BC/BCE. Just thought you should know. Izehar (talk) 22:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Radhanite

I put this article up for featured status. Your input would be most welcome. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And now I'm being accused of ethnocentricity by Irishpunktom (pot and kettle?) Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:39, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Writing Hebrew

Hi, do you know how to write Hebrew on Wikipedia? I'm trying to write Lekhah Dodi, but there's a terrible bug I can't get around - I used to be able to, that's how I wrote Ein Keloheinu and Aleinu. Something's changed and I can't get around it anymore: I can't place breaks and punctuation in the right place. Do you know a way around this? Izehar (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SlimVirgin rfc

Hi Joe, please look at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/SlimVirgin2. Thanks IZAK 04:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I looked earlier when Jayjg emailed me and asked me to look. I have had no involvement in the matter, so it would take considerable research before I could endorse either side in good faith. It seems like there is a strong consensus in her favor so that my endorsement of either side would not matter much. Consequently, I'd expect that time investigating this would be time poorly spent. If you think I'm wrong, leave me an explanatory note on my talk. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
At this point all I wanted to do is bring the matter to your attention. I respect whatever approach you adopt in this case. IZAK 05:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there.

Been lurking for several months now. Became a (beneficially) aggressive newbie several days ago. I understan that you are one of the "old salts" in the Judaism department. I would appreciate some input from you on my various projects. They're listed on my user page. Daykart 09:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Daykart (Descartes?) I am actually reviewing your contributions to Jewish related topics right now. One important piece of advice: Do NOT rush to create all sorts of junky categories because if they are basically useless they will be nominated for deletion very quickly. Hope you enjoy Wikipedia and I hope you do not come here with an axe to grind against Lubavitch in some strange way just for fun (and I am not a Lubavitcher by any span of the imagination), it's like wasting your breath, man. Try being positive. IZAK 09:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • By the way, How come you didn't tell me here what you told User:Rooster613?: "I am an anarchist and a former Lubavitcher. I'd appreciate if you'd have a look-see at my recent major contributions, they're listed on my userpage. Also, I'm willing to assist with any articles related to Yiddish, Chassidus, or Kisvei Koidesh." [3], sounds to me like you need to cool your heels some more ... IZAK 09:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have an anti-Cartesian philosophy. I've been lurking for quite a while and have pretty much figured out the rules. I don't have a crazy axe to grind. I got all the axe-grinding out of my system with my minor vandalism. I attempt to stick to NPOV at all times, but we are all products of our conditioning. I'm honest, though; If I suspect that my writing is partial to one point of view, I will notify others. As for the categories, I feel that a category with more than twenty articles is overcluttered. That's just my sentiment though. Daykart 10:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just a comment about your last point: You are mistaken, categories are designed to include hundreds of articles, the purpose of categories is to bring together scattered information so if you are now going to start splintering up categories then you are defeating the purpose of the categories in the first place. Twenty articles can all be linked together in a string of "See also(s)" on their pages, but categories are here to unite many more articles (hundreds actually) and sub-categories under one roof. So I strongly disagree with your view and I will be on the lookout to stop you from creating mini-categories that are of no use because they are functionally disconnected from other important categories and articles that they need to be connected to. IZAK 10:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Actually there will always be exceptions, see for example the few people in the Category:Hasidic rebbes (because we can't manufacture more rebbes than actually existed), but eventually the "rebbes" categories will be sub-categories of much larger categories about each individual Category dealing with each respective Chasidus or subject. As long as we create categories that will be functional, that is the important thing, and to split them up merely because we "don't like more than 20 articles in them" is not a good enough reason to start new ones. IZAK 11:01, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, in that vein, Boro Park has manufactured so many new rebbelach up and down every block it's pashut dizzying. But I was referring earlier to zeir groise rebbes. I must go to sleep now... IZAK 11:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was just messing around with userboxes. Apparently, there are only three self-identified native speakers of Yiddish here. Can you help me out? Sometimes I see Yiddish rendered in YIVO orthography and sometimes in standard Hungarian. Is there a setting I can tweak to have it always show up in standard Hungarian orthography? Daykart 11:16, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from userpage

so it is you that made the R' Hutner article! if i were you, i would double-check the information because i asked a rav about some of the things i read there and he said they were inaccurate. thanks! 4.234.230.45 El_C 04:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Firstly, I am not sure who is addressing me, an anonymous user or El_C?, why doesn't the anonymous user get a regular Wikipedia user name? Secondly, it is true that I began the article a long time ago, but if you will examine the article's edit history you will see that many other editors have contributed much to it. Thirdly, if there is anything in the article that you have difficulties with then please feel free to discuss them on the article's talk page. Fourthly, you cannot just pop out of thin air and holler in a semi-accusatory tone into the cyber-air that you spoke to a "rav" (what is the name of this "rav" please?) and what is that supposed to mean exactly, some sort of threat? Finally, there have been so many articles and publications written about Rav Hutner that far exceed anything that is in the Wikipedia article about him, and that can be used as references if need be. Feel free to stay in touch and let me have your thoughts. IZAK 06:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not moi, I just moved the comment from your userpage. Best, El_C 06:29, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yea El_C, I already figured that out. Sorry. Thanks. IZAK 06:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Parasha or Parsha

Hello! Can you comment on Talk:Parsha? --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 09:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Hello, yes, I have "commented" there now. Stay in touch. Thanks. IZAK

My RFA

Hey IZAK! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was an unanimous (45/0/0), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, or have a question, please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New Tanakh category

Dear Izak, someone named Fischersc is going around adding a new Category:Old Testament people to all the Avos and Imahos pages (maybe more). Should this category be changed to Category:Tanakh people? Yoninah 09:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have seen this, and the way he is doing it does look almost like vandalism. However, it's not that simple, because to Christians, the people in the Tanakh are indeed "Old Testament people". Please ask the following three admins as to what they think: User:Jfdwolff; User:Jayjg; and User:Eliezer, because they all have excellent Torah standards and they are Wikipedia admins as well, so they would have a good sense how to balance this subject of "Tanakh vs. Old Testament". Please let me know what they say. Thank you and please call on me at any time. IZAK 05:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
They appear to be duplicates of pre-existing Tanakh categories. They should probably be deleted. Jayjg (talk) 04:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking care of it, IZAK. I'll do the same if I see that Old Testament people category pop up on other pages. Yoninah 16:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish texts

I interlangued at Category:Jewish texts, is this OK? but what is "aron hasspharim yehudhi" (Jewish texts box)? --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 09:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

also: Jacob Neusner - how to read?([noisner]/[noizner]?) and where is his birthpace? --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 15:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

more

thank you! Do you know the full name and birth place, birth year/date of Baron Rosen(Rosen)? Please see David Günzburg. --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 00:48, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Hi, I looked into this, but sorry, this is too much of an obscure topic, and I know nothing about it, and I doubt if there are any people on Wikipedia who would know. Try doing a search on Google is the best advice I can give you, unless you want to make a trip to the Library of Congress. Why are you into this weird stuff and why are you so obsessed with (mostly archaic) Jewish surnames of all things? IZAK 11:40, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 18:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Bergen Belsen.jpg

Hi, please add a source for this photo. Thuresson 22:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Piyyut'im

Hello! Can you write the hebrew letter to Piyyut page with nquddah, daghesh (like addir hu), hebrew languages link (like lkhah dodhi)? --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 18:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I knew you are Yiddish native speaker, but where is birthplace? And also Polish User:Halibutt wrote Yiddish on my talk page. all man can speak yiddish, Azoy gut, ikh iberrosht zayn! (confused english and yiddish) --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 18:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

  • What mumbu-jumbo is this? What do I have to do with User:Halibutt? Half the time I have to decifer what you are trying to say and sometimes it's just not worth it... IZAK 12:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

also

also (please put nquddah, daghesh) Sh'atnez, Aleinu --User:Sheynhertz-Unbayg/sig 09:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew alphabet

Re: your question:

  • Saw this message, what do you think of it? IZAK 06:22, 25 December 2005 (UTC):

"I have rewritten the articles on all the Hebrew letters here and before I replace the pages, your input would be appreciated. Thanks! Sputnikcccp 16:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)"

  • It looks like Sputnikcccp just added an extra line or two to an already over-wordy, half-intelligible, and religiously pareve article. I know we have to abide by NPOV, but calling Midrashim "folktales" is self-hating. I'm finding in general that so many people are editing Wikipedia that any given article is going be touched up at least once a week. I don't think Sputnikcccp's additions make much of a difference, and someone else can theoretically come along and change it all around when he's through. (Frankly, it's not going to be me; I'm now devoting my Wikipedia time to creating articles that will make a difference, such as new articles about Jewish topics and rabbis, while most editors seem to be spending their time editing and re-editing others' material). Kol tuv, Yoninah 21:37, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yoninah: Your objectives sound very logical. I try to do the same, but often I find it necessary to edit or Wikify other articles related to Jews and Judaism to enhance their presentability, and also to make sure that facts do not get distorted. You should also monitor your "my watchlist" section so that articles you have written or added to don't get turned into mush while you are not looking. You are definitely on the right track. IZAK 07:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to make of the article. It doesn't seem to be too bad; do you have any specific concerns about it? Jayjg (talk) 03:07, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
At this point, not really, I was interested to see what others may think about it. IZAK 04:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Hi IZAK. I see you recreated Gil Student just now.

Personally, I agree fully with your move; I thought the way it was deleted was an absolute sham.

Nevertheless, is this allowed by current Wikipedia procedure? I though once an article gets deleted its continued deletion is enforced. Maybe I'm just not current on these things... Dovi 09:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, good going man! You have far more energy than I do... Keep up the good work. (We'll continue to repectfully disagree about Rav Elyashiv... :-) Got to go now. Dovi 10:34, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I had no knowledge of anything about Gil Student's former article. Only when I wrote the article now did I see that it was once up for a VfD in JULY of 2005. In my honest appraisal there is no doubt in my mind that he is significant enough to merit his own article on Wikipedia. I have read some of his material as I am sure many others have. I cannot imagine why he was deleted. The only reason I could see is that the nominator who happened to be Eliezer did not like Student because he writes so convincingly that the late and last Lubavitcher Rebbe was not the Moshiach. I will defend the new article to the full. IZAK 10:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just going to chime in and add that I agree that Gil Student deserves a wikipedia page at this point. He's got 40,000+ google hits, has written a book, runs a publishing house, and his blog is amongst the most popular in the Jewish world right now - that's certainly more notable than a lot of the people I see doing RC patrol :-) --Bachrach44 15:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tanakh / Torah / Old Testament

I noticed you had difficulty accepting category additions of Old Testament on several biblical articles. For Christians we do not call it the Torah or the Tanakh. Many Christians would not know what these words mean. For those who do not follow those names I was placing categories that would make sense to Christians. This was for navigation purposes. I see no problem in having the additional categories. I also noticed that you might you might be considering my changes vandalism. It is unfortunate that you would think that. My efforts are pure and true and I don't see how any of my changes could be vandalism. It was my understanding that Wikipedia was meant for all people of all faiths and understandings. By not allowing Christians the proper category to navigate through articles you are denying us that privilege.

Thank you for you time. fischersc 20:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it would have been more proper if you would have discussed the category differences on my talk page before undoing the several hours I spent adding the Old Testament categories. Your actions have disheartened me. I look forward to you response. fischersc 20:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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