Talk:Shawn Michaels

Mr. Wrestlemania

With the "Mr. Wrestlemania" title being laid on Shawn Michaels in his upcoming match challenging The Undertaker's 16-0 streak, would it be appropriate for the Shawn Michaels Wikipedia page to have a "Mr. Wrestlemania" section -- much like Undertaker's "streak" section -- simply giving the matches in which he's participated, his opponent in those matches, the victor, any titles that changed hands, and any accolades (Match of the Year, etc) that the match received? Dapolla (talk) 12:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It's just a nickname that he gave himself because he said he always puts on a show at WrestleMania. The Undertaker's streak is something WWE itself started tracking and mentioning. TJ Spyke 19:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Mabey but WWE also now reconizes HBK's Mr. Wrestlemania status! I mean just listen to the announcers and they'll say it themselves "No one has every out performed Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 00:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

No, they recognize it as a nickname. Should we consider Triple H "the game" because announcers say that nickname? Should we consider Shelton Benjamin to be the "Gold Standard" because announcers say that nickname too? "Mr. WrestleMania" is just another nickname he came up with, it's not a title. TJ Spyke 00:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Feud with Jericho

The feud did not end at Unforgiven. They had another match at another PPV and it was a ladder match and it was for the world title; why does nobody add it? (I tried but it was deleted for having too much detail) Then they had a Last Man Standing match where JBL hit Michaels with a chair transitioning his feud from one to the other. It happened back in November, it's not week by week information. Tony2Times (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately a few people believe they own this page, and are very reluctant to adding anything. It was in March 2009 that this page was updated from September 2008. We're going to have to get used to it. Ivecenanuff (talk) 16:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

That's quite poor by my view. And are we going to add Undertaker v Shawn to this page or not?84.71.222.234 (talk) 10:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Probably gonna wait to make sure they don't have a return match so that the feud is over before adding it. Tony2Times (talk) 22:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

what about the sharpshooter he uses that everyonce in awhile at least he used to someone should put that in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.6.154 (talk) 20:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

What does that have to do with anything? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Jericho is gone, but even if he wasnt they havent had a match in a long time so it wouldnt be wrong to say that feud is over. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 01:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ric Flair?

As part of the storyline involving Ric Flair, Michaels faced Flair in a Career Threatening match at WrestleMania XXIV

That's it? Really? I know there's a limit to what you can add, but seriously I think everyone knows one or two more sentences that can be added. And I also think that the various feuds section can be split into 2, but thats not as big of a deal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.16.166 (talk) 04:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Not that I disagree with that, but if I were to try and change it I would most likely be reverted on the spot and have to argue with a bunch of users who don't like updating the page. I do agree there's about one or two more relevant sentences. Ive Cena Nuff (talk) 02:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Article Overhaul

In order to achieve consistency in this article (in line with various other professional wrestling pages), there needs to be several key modifications: 1. 1995-1997 should not be titled "The Clique's influence". This is far too prejudicial, and not even relevant, as the clique disbanded in early 1996. A far more suitable title would be "Rise to the Mainevent". The timeframe shoudl be extended to 1995-1998, as he was active on the roster (as an in-ring performer) until march 1998. 2. Additionally he should be acknowledged as commissioner from 1998-2000 (not 1998-99). 3. His contract status should be clearly mentioned: Michaels signed the WWF/E's first 'downside' guaranteed money contract in March 1996 for 750,000 a year, which lasted 5 years. In 2001 he signed a 5 year contract extension with the intention of returning to in-ring wrestling at Wrestlemania 17. However, due to substance abuse issues, this never occured, but the contract stood intact. In 2006, he signed a new 5 year deal for 1.5 million a year. 4. The same detail and analysis used in Bret Hart's and Ric Flair's introduction should be used for Michaels. He has received more Prowrestling Illustrated Match of the Year awards then any other Pro Wrestler. And Vince McMahon has, on numerous occasions, described Michaels as "the greatest in-ring performer of all time". I would be more then happy to provide references for this (both Michaels DVD Heartbreak and Truimph, and a 2002 press release). The same vivid discription used in Hart's introduction, describing his monikers and his favourable legacy, should be applied to Michaels. A 2005 quote from Vince McMahon is utilised in Bret Hart's introduction, describing Bret as "the greatest storyteller of all time". Michaels, based on his accolades, tenure, body of work and the fame/success he has achieved in modern Pro Wrestling history, deserves the same lofty treatment. No questions asked.

(There are numerous other references and quotes from co-workers and officials that refer to Michaels as the greatest athlete in WWE History. These con-workers and officials include, Triple H, CM Punk, Chris Jericho, Jim Ross, Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Michael PS Hayes, Vince McMahon, Pat Patterson and numerous others)

Without these details/corrections/facts, this article is flimsy, biased and inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JQCT (talk • contribs) 07:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Without going into all of your comments, I will address some: 1)There is no source for Michaels contract situation and thus won't be mentioned. Same with the source for wrestling at WrestleMania X-Seven (that was never the plan). You comment on the current state of the article is your opinion only and not factually accurate. TJ Spyke 21:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Shawn michaels IS injured

I have tried numerous times to put on this page that Shawn michaels is currently inactive, yet it is constantly deleted. There are numerous sites and magazines that state this, and the fact that he is not participating at the moment in WWE is an OBVIOUS fact tht he is taking time off. If my attempts are going to continually be deleted, PLEASE will someone else put it on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.31.173.239 (talk) 13:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

1)It's not notable if he is active or inactive (and it's unknown why he is, don't speculate). 2) Telling others to put it in won't get it in. TJ Spyke 14:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

He is not wrestling at the moment. How can it not be notable that he is inactive? It's obvious that he is. I agree however that there has been no comfirmed news that he is injured but he is NOT wrestling at the moment. I rely on Wikipedia to give up to date information, yet michaels has been out since Wrestlemania 25 and nothing has been updated to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.27.58.145 (talk) 12:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Still there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.28.160.74 (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I have already answered, it's not notable that he isn't active right now. He is taking some time off but "inactive" usually means they are injured or don't wrestle for a long time. If he goes a few months without appearing I could agree. TJ Spyke 16:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but he is either "active" or "inactive". If he isn't wrestling (and he is not wrestling at the moment) then he is inactive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rev Edward Brain, D.D. (talk • contribs)

Billing names

Has he ever been billed as HBK or Heart Break Kid or 'The Heart Break Kid' or anything like that? I'm surprised to see it absent on the data, was it really only ever a nick name? Tyciol (talk) 05:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's never been anything but a nickname. His ring name in WWE has always been Shawn Michaels and he didn't start the HBK nickname until 1992. TJ Spyke 20:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

He's usually billed as "The Heartbreak Kid, Shawn Michaels" these days. Never heard them just announce him as the "Heartbreak Kid." Gavyn Sykes (talk) 23:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Usually its "From San Antonio, Texas weighing 225 pounds. The HeartBreak Kid, Shawn Michaels" Not just "HBK" or "The Heartbreak Kid" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissytina515 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, he was billed once as just "The Heartbreak Kid". It was during the 2008 Royal Rumble match by Michael Buffer (he was the guest ring announcer for the event). Buffer announced him as "Entry number two, HBK - The Heartbreak Kid". Don't think it's that important to be honest, just thought I'd mention it. 86.42.241.178 (talk) 13:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Too long

The various feuds section has grown too long - way too long. Couldn't it be divided in

• Tag team feuds (2007) - this being Rated RKO and Cena...
• Feuds with Ric Flair and Chris Jericho (2008)
• Feuds with JBL and Undertaker (2009-present)

--Senkris (talk) 13:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

There's a reason why that section is there. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The section would be better off divided into

• Chasing WWE Title (2007)
• Fueds with Ric Flair and Chris Jericho (2008)
• Fueds with JBL and Undertaker; Hiatus (December 2008-April 2009)
• Return and DX Reunion (August 2009-present)

--81.157.126.162 (talk) 04:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Definatly at the vary least add the Return of DX part because that seems to be on a permanet basis now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.7.201.91 (talk) 15:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

What the hell? ITS TIME TO UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Undertakers page has more detail than Shawn's!! And they have been doing similar things. what the hell? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.7.201.91 (talk • contribs)

Why do you guys keep taking out Shawn Michaels feud of the year with HHH in 2004,while listing his feud of the year with Jericho in 2008, and taking out his two 5 star matches he had with the Undertaker in hell in a cell and with Razor Ramon in wrestlemania 10? Those are parts of his accomplishments with a link to the page showing that he won it so why do you guys keep removing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.179.151 (talk • contribs)

The 5 star matches are not accomplishments, they are just one person's ratings for the match and they are already mentioned in the article. TJ Spyke 20:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Alright, I'm new to Wikipedia so I got no clue how to change this, but `He has large support groups and has an Official Youtube Fan Support page is http://www.youtube.com/user/hbk281923` Added by Hbk281923 is not official. I don't know how to edit Semi-Protected pages, so can someone edit it when they have the time? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Shawn_Michaels&diff=318620862&oldid=318463803 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidburn08 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I've reverted the spam. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

New section

I have been considering adding a new section Return of D-Generation-X, due to this being the return of one of the most popular teams ever. Just to add, this is no longer Various feuds. Please answer--The Celtic Cross (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I see no one is against the idea--The Celtic Cross (talk) 16:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if DX is a very popular tag team, the article is extremely long, and doesn't warrant a new section. It's not notable how long they will be teaming together. The current section is fine. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, considering how long the Various feuds section is (2007-present), the change is almost obligatory. And considering how long they've been together already and how they didn't break up at The Survivor Series, you ask me...--The Celtic Cross (talk) 22:07, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Just on quick comment, but DX has only been back together for 3 1/2 months (they reformed in mid-August). TJ Spyke 23:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Which is, quite a long time. And he isn't feuding with Triple H is he? This is more tag team than feuds anymore--The Celtic Cross (talk) 16:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, check this out:

1. 2.3.1 Return to wrestling and various feuds (2002–2005)
2. 2.3.2 Feuding with McMahon; reforming DX (2006–2007)
3. 2.3.3 Various feuds (2007–present)

Get me?--The Celtic Cross (talk) 16:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Isn't anyone going to answer?--The Celtic Cross (talk) 16:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I am not strongly opposed to starting a new section for 2009, but not the way you worded it. Keep in mind that the article is supposed to cover his whole life. If we had a section for every year or every feud, articles like Ric Flair or Hulk Hogan would be over 500K in size. TJ Spyke 16:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

So you do not think that Return of D-Generation-X is a suitable name? I'm in favor of making a new section, but the name I think could vary. Any ideas?--The Celtic Cross (talk) 23:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Come on already! He just won the Tag Titles again. I think that warrants a new section for this incarnation of DX! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.7.201.91 (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I've already added it--The Celtic Cross (talk) 15:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)