Talk:Scott McCloud

I think Scott Mccloud's wikipedia entry deserves a lot more attention. -Sam

Have you noticed that "Making Comics" directs to here? Perhaps not a problem, but if not, we should remove the link to "Making Comics." It's silly to have a page link to itself.

Scott McCloud and Kurt Busiek

There's no mention of the fact that Scott McCloud (still can't get used to that spelling) was a childhood friend of Kurt Busiek and that they created near-professional quality comic books together in high school. I'd add it, except for the fact I can't cite supporting materials. I went to high school with them, so I have direct knowledge of this. Scott & Kurt were obviously both prodigies and I think that's relevant, but I don't want to violate the wikipedia policies on citing sources.

Ct4ul4u (talk) 00:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you can find this in lots of places. Scott's afterword to Marvels mentions it, to my recollection. I think Scott may even talk about it in one of his ~ Comics books. Probably something in the collection of Zot!, too, although I have none of these books with me at the moment (moved to a new city, didn't take much with me). Just check these books if you have em, I'm absolutely certain you'll find something in one of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 03:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Scott McCloud and Penny-arcade

Something should be in here about Scott McCloud's fight with PA or at least some criticisms of his work.
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I have to agree with this. After all, it wasn't simply a "vanity fight" over most page hits or the highest popularity, but it was based on differing outlooks with regards to the medium and future of webcomics (inspite of the petty insults). And a few other prominent webcomic creators, such as Kurtz got involved in it, too, which made the webisode (ha! geddit?) all the more notable. 85.72.166.21 18:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Family and last name

Should we mention that he is married and has a family, and that his last name was Anglicized to the current one, though it is pronounced the same way (the current article is modestly misleading on this point)? -- Gwern (contribs) 21:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I always wondered if his name had anything to do with Fox. :P Shay Guy 00:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I asked him about that, and alas, it does not. :( --Gwern (contribs) 01:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:POV, "Scholar", uncited statements.

• I removed several comments that represented a point of view of the editor ("popular", "most ambitious", "widely considered", etc...).
• From the information in this article, Mr. McCloud would not qualify as a "scholar". His writings represent a personal point of view, rather than an amalgamation of information based on a founded basis of non-partisan research. I found the qualifier "theorist" used elsewhere on this page to be much more aplicable and have edited the statements refering to Mr. mcCloud as a scholar to match.
• I am tagging this page as containing uncited statements, please see inline citations I added.

LeilaniLad (talk) 14:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing "citations missing" tag

I've removed the "citations missing" tag since there are seven citations in the article already. If there are specific parts of the article that need citations, please tag those specific parts or draw attention you concerns here on the talk page. --Dragonfiend (talk) 21:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Making Comics redirect

Does anyone else realize that Making Comics redirects here? That probably should not be like that.--Mynameisnotpj (talk) 02:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Until someone writes a Making Comics article, the redirect makes sense. --Dragonfiend (talk) 05:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Awful Paragraph about McCloud's theories

I haven't read Understanding Comics in years, but I'm still virtually certain that the below is a mistake:

"For example, he addresses how time in a comic frame is supposed to be seen as multiple variations of time where several things are happening at different moments in the same space. However, readers go through comics and don't realize that more than one moment in time has been occurring; this frustration is shared by McCloud and many other artists."

This is absurd, from what I know of McCloud. He would never limit what could happen in a single frame. Certainly, he points out that a single frame can contain more than one moment, but he doesn't say this of every panel. There are frames where only one moment is occurring, and readers are thus right to think that only one moment is occurring. This silly interpretation of McCloud is not cited so there's no way to check that McCloud never said this. Also, if what I say here is right, then McCloud feels no frustration about the phenomenon, as it is a non-existent phenomenon. And just who are these 'other artists' who agree with this fictional McCloud?

"He also emphasizes how readers are so used to reading in a left-to-right or up-to-down direction that they start to feel as if comics are a linear medium, when in reality, readers have the option of changing the direction of what they are reading. In this day and age, people are conditioned to read in a left to right, concrete fashion. Throwing them outside of this programmed path confuses people. They are not used to the fact that, as a reader, they have choices in which direction they would like their comic story experience to go."

Um, again, what? I don't think McCloud says that you can read a story right-to-left if it has been written left-to-right. I mean of course you can, but I don't think McCloud advocates this. On the contrary, in Making Comics McCloud talks about a good comic story being a clear one -- reading panels in the 'wrong' (or 'unintended') order would certainly be a barrier to acheiving this goal. Now he might be a bit more flexible with writers -- he may inform them that they can write right-to-left if they wish (and certainly, in regards Manga writers, he definitely endorsed this). I'm not sure if he has really advised writers to play with the expected flow of a comics (this certainly seems to be antithetical to some of the things he says in Makings Comics, which is fresh in my mind because I have just read it), but if he did I'm sure he'd say it with a note of caution. I reckon he'd admit that Alan Moore's Promethea #33 shows that comics with unusual panel flows can work, and I know his webcomics play with flow, but in both cases the authors have been very careful that the readers don't read anything in 'the wrong order' (Moore did this by making every which way the 'right way,' and I think McCloud does it by arrows). Nowhere does McCloud say that you can just pop out a copy of, say, Amazing Spiderman and just have the whole thing run from bottom to top or something like that. Actually, that might be kind of cool, but again you'd probably have to put a whole heap of thought into how that was going to work for readers, because McCloud is quite big on clarity.

So, in short, an awful, awful, awful paragraph -- and the fact that the above has been included but interesting facts like the reception of 'Making Comics' are nowhere to be found is very perplexing. I'd delete the whole paragraph, if not for the fact that I'm always reluctant to just delete something without putting something else back in its place. But I'm not sure what to put here -- to what are the authors referring? There's no indication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 03:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)