Talk:Mongoloid race

Races of human kind

Is it controversial or questionable to suggest any one "race" is more "intelligent"?

Yes!

PC world

yes....in the Politically Correct world we live in...definitely not kosher.....but lets not forget that race is not really an idea or concept for that matter......goes back to the whole discussion of evolution or creation??? whichever you choose the theories both subscribe on race are full of holes.....in either case.....who cares??? thanks to globalization and global warming....now we are all in the shit storm together

stoic

"stoic, taciturn, unaggressive demeanor." I don't think this is NPOV and it only reflects the traits Westerners associate with East Asians. If it is OK to list non-negative traits "associated" with East Asians(such as being stoic and taciturn), why shouldn't we list negative, racist traits along with them, such as East Asians supposedly being cunning or deceitful? We might as well add that they are associated with being inscrutable and mysterious. As for the high intelligence thing, it's questioned within the article and there is a link to another article discussing it further, so I think it should stay.

My feeling is that Mongoloid and similar articles like Caucasoid should be about anthropology and paleontology. Cultural and political stuff should be in other articles and linked as needed.--JWB 19:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Transitional Mongoloid?

This topic page is most interesting. But if there really is a "distinction" between Northern and Southern Mongoloid types, is there also such thing as a "transitional Mongoloid race" of people. I am aware that any discussion about this would be merely almost speculation, and a "quasi-science" (too deep into physical anthropology to be of any relevant observation). From my travels in Asia-Pacific, and from my own observations, i really do see a "continuum" of appearances. I find that in China and in Vietnam, that continuum is the most pronounced. The peoples of central-eastern and southern China and Vietnam, to me at least, have a dominantly "northern" general appearance, but they have "southern" hair and body types (according to whatever this page describes them). I know close to nothing about anthropology or anything in the like; so if any knowledgeable person in the field could raise their opinions into this fascinating topic, it would be most good.

I don't think anyone maintains there are pure races. Types like N and S Mongoloid are patterns of traits, that might be a close fit for most people in some areas, but not necessarily all. There is certainly a continuum between N and S Mongoloid, but trying to define boundaries of the transitional zone would be drawing yet more lines and might be difficult.--JWB 19:27, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Proof Against Legitimacy of this Racial Classification

The Human Species a physical anthropology textbook supports this statement. It was copyrighted in 2003, so it is based on the most current knowledge. It is used as an introductory course at the prestigous University of California, Irvine. This university in California is part of the UC system, a number of research universities which use modern data.

This discussion is in Validity of human races and should not be repeated in every article touching on race.--JWB 15:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Sinoid

After Googling, I don't think this term has any currency at all outside of Wikipedia and derivatives, and is a neologism. It could also be seen as Chinese-centered. (The one use I found was by "Chinese Nationalist Alliance".) I vote to get rid of it. --JWB

Excuse me, but what the fuck is up with the statement that Asians have the characteristic of "high intelligence"? As if every Asian is smarter than every white or a person of any other group for that matter? Just take the phrase out. And don't call me a "politically correct" Marxist either. The largest studies (there were 12 of them you know) of Chinese and Japanese Americans put the mean slightly below 100, read Flynn's book Asians- Achievement Beyond IQ, they're cited in there. Also look at the article Greek IQ, in which it was found that Asians and whites did not differ in psychometric g. (It's on the website of Dienekes Pontikos) You can put, though, that Asians outperform other groups in school grades and on the quantitative portions of standardized tests, such as the SAT and GRE. I'll put in in there if you want me to, babe.

Peace out. --Teth22

Unsourced addition

This addition:

"Some populations of Northern Europe and Eastern Europe have Mongoloid ancestry as well."

...needs to be properly referenced. Please see WP:CITE. Jkelly 07:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The Kalmyks are clearly Mongoloid and arrived recently. Other populations only have small amounts of Mongoloid admixture.

I think it would make more sense to just say that much of northern Eurasia is a transitional or clinal zone where peoples show varying degrees of Caucasoid and Mongoloid traits. --JWB 19:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Copied from Talk:Mongloid

hey JKelly. That comment seems like it is referring to the northern europeans(whites) whom have mongoloid ancestry. You can change the commment by saying there are asian immigrants in northern europe and eastern europe and they have mongoloid ancestry.

ok —preceding unsigned comment by 72.140.235.202 (talk • contribs)

I think that you have me confused for an author of the article Mongoloid. I have never edited that article except to revert vandalism there. You should address your question about sources, which are always very important, at Talk:Mongoloid, where they will be seen by more editors. This is a redirect. Jkelly 03:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

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I've never seen a single native-American that looks Japanese. Neither have I ever noticed Koreans having tall nose bridges--on the contrary, they seem to have flatter noses than Japanese, northern Chinese and all other northern Mongoloids.

Ever seen the movie windtalkers? when the navajo dressed up like the japanese army guy and asctually passed for a japanese? My uncle is Native American and gets mistaken for an asian constantly. I am native american and I have single eyelids. Youre opinion seems to come from limited exposure.

possibliy not of mongol origin

what evidence is there that they original came from Mongolia