Talk:Swimming pool sanitation

Cleanup

This article is in terrible shape. It reads more like an essay (see WP:NOT), not an encyclopedia article. It lacks references, wikilinks for the most part, doesn't conform to WP:MOS and has a bit of POV. A major cleanup effort needs to be done to get this page in better shape. --Rkitko ^(talk) 03:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

What part is POV? -anon

POV = Point of View -Carl

This article is great

This article is one of the best in wikipedia. Clean up if you want to, but I think it is very good. Wasn't it originally in the swimming pool article and them moved here to shorten that article. -Anon

PURE CRAP

The section on pool pumps is crap. 750 watts per hour? A watt is one joule per second. A kWh is 3,600,000 Joules. 3/4 hp is not 750 Watts. 1 hp is approx 746 W. Someone needs basic physics and algebra.

This 550W "italian" pump which puts out 750W sounds like a sales pitch. Where is the citation? And why should one trust an author who misunderstands what a Watt is in the first place. 24.158.38.71 01:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Just simply pathetic

Both the discussions of history of sanitation and the technology are so awful, even an industry pro could become confused. Don't trust a word of this nonsense. 24.158.38.71 02:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Help this page

There's a big problem on the information in this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeridu (talk • contribs) 12:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Missing section

An important section is completely missing. The importance of showering properly (which means without swim suit) to prevent faecal pathogens entering the water. No amount of water treatment can make up for that as the bacteria can remain viable for some time. Malcolm.boura (talk) 13:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Additional Pool Sanitisation Technology

Any mention of any "eclear" tech (www.eclear.co.za) should be investigated since people with interests in this company have been posting poorly-disguised advertising copy in this article. @eclear guys: come on, don't insult your customers' intelligence. --41.145.120.185 (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Ill health effects of pool sanitation?

Although there may already be an article about this topic (I've yet to find it) I think this article would have the appearance of being more "well balanced" if it included a section discussing the CONS of pool sanitation. From reading this article you kind of get the idea that putting your toe in a lake might kill you. But seriously - chlorine (the predominant disinfectant used in pools) is known to cause some pretty serious health problems and I tend to find that there is very little awareness about the topic (largely due to articles like this probably written by the short sighted government - I mean... neutral POV... :S) even amongst people like myself who swim competitively and work at pools. Check this http://coachsci.sdsu.edu/swimming/chlorine/asthma.htm for more information. --The Man in the Ceiling (talk) 01:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I second this. Too much bias towards commercial "solutions" without rational debate on the actual problems. --41.145.120.185 (talk) 17:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Safety

Shouldn't "Only pools and spas that contain filtered and disinfected water can be considered safe places to swim" be worded more strongly? Something like "Only sociopaths would risk their health and the safety of the free world by swimming in anything other than a filtered, disinfected, guarded, well fenced, state approved, sterile recreation medium." anon 24.58.23.173 (talk) 02:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Need citation

"Ground level ozone is widely recognized as a pollutant and greenhouse gas and can cause respiratory problems such as asthma and use in swimming pools are therefore being fased out."

This statement contains several claims that need supporting facts and citations. I'm not a pool expert, but my understanding is that use of ozone generators is in fact increasing for both pool and potable water sterilization. Ozone generators are highly recommended over chlorine in the book "Water Storage: Tanks, Cisterns, Aquifers and Ponds" by Art Ludwig, page 71. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.83 (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Efforts to improve this article

This article needs a tremendous amount of work. Before I make any edits, I want to note that I do have a potential partial conflict of interest with the subject matter of this page, as the American Chemistry Council is a client of my employer. I know ACC would like this article to be more accessible, particularly as chemicals are frequently used to sanitize swimming pools and hot tubs. As it stands now, and as warning templates have indicated for more than a year, this article is nearly impenetrable. As I get started, strive to make only edits in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines and, when necessary, supported by reliable, third-party sources. Please feel free to discuss issues related to this page and my editing here or on my Talk page. Cheers, NMS Bill (talk) 17:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I think you have a few options. You could post any proposed changes here; just copy the text you want to change to this talk page, and update it here, and it can be reviewed; if its kosher someone can add it back to the article. The other option is to provide us with links to sources for the information you wish to change; someone here could evaluate those sources and then work the information they contain back into the article. If needed, I could help where I can. I admitedly know little about pool sanitation chemicals, but I do know a bit about Wikipedia, and I could help you work through the hard bits. --Jayron32 02:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

My proposed changes are not sweeping, but should be helpful to readers. Here is the current version:

Swimming pool sanitation refers to methods for improving the visual clarity and reducing levels of microflora, such as bacteria and viruses in swimming pools. Proper sanitation is important to prevent the spread of diseases and pathogens between swimmers. Unsanitized water may also support the growth of algae. Poor pool maintenance may lead to low levels of disinfectants and clogged filters that may place swimmers at risk for diseases and infections. The only way to ensure proper sanitation is to test the swimming pool water with a pool water test kit and fresh reagents.

And my proposed replacement:

Swimming pool sanitation refers to methods for ensuring healthy conditions in pools, hot tubs and similar recreational water venues. Proper sanitation is needed to maintain the visual clarity of water and to prevent the transmission of infectious diseases. Sanitation methods include filtration to remove pollutants, disinfection to kill infectious microorganisms, swimmer hygiene to minimize the introduction of contaminants into pool water, and regular testing of pool water, including chlorine and pH levels.

The first sentence is revised to focus on "ensuring healthy conditions" which is the goal of sanitation in a nutshell. The more specific goal of combating disease is now described in the second sentence. The third and final sentence covers specific methods and all the same ground as the rest of the current paragraph, but in what I believe is a more concise and coherent manner. On a specific note, I've changed "microflora" to "microorganisms" for technical accuracy; the (very short) article Flora (microbiology) even notes that microflora is "technically a misnomer". I haven't included any references because I don't think they are strictly necessary, but this CDC page provides some detail regarding chlorine and pH. I'd like to see this paragraph replace the first; please move it or, if you concur, let me know if you're OK with me doing the same. Cheers, NMS Bill (talk) 16:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks good man. Now we need to just continue working on referencing and fleshing out the more detailed part of the article. I moved your text to the article since I see nothing at all controversial about it. --Jayron32 17:48, 25 January 2010 (UTC)