Talk:Mark Owen

Edit war-vs-discussion

The point of protecting the page was to stimulate discussion as opposed to the edit warring that has been going on. So, who wants to step up and present their side? Beeblebrox (talk) 00:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I have never edited this article. Yesterday, Owen admitted one affair lasting from 2004-2009, and around ten one-night stands during the same period. It is relevant to his life, and therefore should be included in his biography. It was The Sun he told, therefore they are the source of the story, hence its article I'm a love-cheat, a drunk... and a complete idiot should be included. The story has been reported by other national UK newspapers, including The Telegraph,Take That's Mark Owen admits affairs who are a reliable, high-quality broadsheet. Jim Michael (talk) 01:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with above statement. Post it!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.51.170 (talk) 14:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

This news has turned out to be massive and is potentially going to have an impact on his marriage and his future as a member of Take That. I think it's of enough importance to be included in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brommyefc (talk • contribs) 03:41, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

IMO it is not worth inclusion, also the citation offered at the time was the Sun, what did we have, rock star sleeps with girls....not very special is it, we could add that to every rock stars start bio. I imagine he was going to be outed with a kiss and tell and he got in there first, but that is just my opinion. What is perhaps better to include as perhaps notable is the checking into rehab with an alchohol problem,a nd there is a BBC citation have a look. It should be remembered that this is not a celebrity magazine but the biography of a living person at wikipedia and we report notable things that relate to subjects notability not kiss and tell stories, mark said in 2010 that he slept with some other girls b4 he got married, yawn. Off2riorob (talk) 12:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The Sun ref should be added as it is the source of the story; The Telegraph ref as well, due to its reliability. Although Owen has only been married to Ferguson since November, he was in a relationship with her continuously since 2004; their son was born in 2006, their daughter in 2008. That he had an affair with Neva Handley from 2004-2009 is certainly relevant to his personal life, and since it being revealed in national newspapers and discussed on national TV, it is relevant to his public life. Whilst pop stars are not typically monogamous, Owen was widely believed / assumed to be. Sexual / infidelity details are typically stated on Wikipedia biographies when the info is reliably sourced. Owen has admitted the affair and the one-night stands, as well as having a drink problem. Hence the info should be included. If we write the info in a neutral way, stick to what the sources say and cite them, there are no neutrality / BLP vios or libel issues; he is a public figure who has chosen how to live his life and has then sold his story to the press. It appears that Handley was about to sell her story and he pre-empted that, although I can't find a reliable source that states that to be the case. Jim Michael (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

We are not required to add the source of the story and in this case the Sun is the primary source for the content and we are looking for high quality third party reports. Anyway, ask yourself this, imagine in ten years will this be notable valuable detail worthy of remembering, no of course it won't. But, none the less,(against my better judgment)the edit I have prepared for possible inclusion is below, neutrally written in a non tabloid , non titillating way, in line with policy. Off2riorob (talk) 14:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Whilst adding the source is not required, I think it would be preferable. The five-year affair with Handley is certainly relevant to Owen's bio, and will remain so for the rest of his life and for a long time after his death; it should be included. A mere vague mention of infidelity is underplaying it. Obviously, we should avoid tabloidish terms and not be judgemental, but we should not censor things either. Jim Michael (talk) 17:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Adding a titillating tabloid citation is never desirable or required. Also there is nothing being censored at all, all the major details have been included. Your claim that this indiscretion previous to marriage will be notable about him for long time is not really true at all, he will be notable long time for his singing not his kiss and tell. The claimed length of affairs and the number of claimed affairs is of little or no value to the addition. I am unsure as to your position regarding my offered addition but if you disagree that my addition is not ok then please offer your desired addition here and we can ask for opinions as to which is the preferable addition. Off2riorob (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Not all of the major details are included in the suggestion below; it fails to mention he had a five-year affair with Handley, which is an major part of his life. A bio is about the subject's whole life, not only his career. I never said or suggested that Owen is notable for his sex life. However, a person's verfied, reliably sourced sexual relationships, especially those of substantial duration, are routinely included in biographies on Wikipedia and elsewhere as they are relevant to the subject's life. In addition, the duration of his relationship with Ferguson (2004-present) should be stated, as should when they moved in together. 'Two children' is nowhere near enough, it should be son (born 2006) and daughter (born 2008). Jim Michael (talk) 18:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Dates of children's births are of no value, and naming of a not notable person that it is claimed have a five year affair with, the name adds nothing as does the length of the affair, how is their relationship notable, did he write songs about her, did he perhaps buy her a love nest what please present your desired addition here and we can request opinions as to the most correct within policy, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Personal life

• On 8th November 2009, Mark married his girlfriend, Emma Ferguson in Cawdor, Scotland. They have two children. In March 2010 Owen revealed that before he married Ferguson he had been unfaithful to her but said that he had been faithful since his marriage, he also revealed that his drinking had become a problem and checked into a private clinic for rehabilitation.