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March 28

Which Muslim based language??

I just had an e-mail attachment that illustrated how, in 20 years or so, because of the smaller European family size and the increasingly Muslim family size (in Europe), Western Europe was inevitably to become an Islamic region, given the declining Western population growth to about 1.6 children to 2 parents, as against the Muslim figure of about 8.1 per married couple. If that is true, and me being a realist rather than a reactionary, and further given that in the past (as an English citizen and speaker), I have chosen to learn Latin based languages such as Spanish, French, and Italian, (mainly for holiday purposes), how would Wikipedia advise me to quickly learn a Muslim based language such as Arabic. Forgive my ignorance but I am assuming that Arabic is the most widely spoken and readily understood language in the Muslim community. Thanks in anticipation. 92.30.0.204 (talk) 00:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Muslims speak many different languages. Many of them speak English. If you're taking the "can't lick 'em, so may as well join 'em" approach, probably your best bet would be to study Arabic, as that's the language of the Quran. Rosetta Stone (software) includes Arabic in its list. There's no substitute for "immersion", but if that's not practical, then some elementary course such as Rosetta Stone might be a good start. You should probably also track down a local mosque and ask them about it. Far as I know, Islam is every bit as eager to bring in new recruits as Christianity is, and I expect they could give you some good guidance. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)There are no Muslim-based languages. Islam is not a language family or grouping. There are langauges whose speakers practice Islam, Arabic is the official language of Islam in much the same way that Latin used to be the official language of Christianity; however Classical Arabic is the "liturgical" language, being the language the Qu'ran is written in, however no one actually speaks that on a daily basis. Modern Standard Arabic is the lingua franca of the Arabic-speaking world. The largest (by population) Muslim country in the world is Indonesia, so the Indonesian language would be a good second choice, but there are not a lot of European Muslims who are coming from Indonesia. There are native European Muslims, for example Bosniaks, who speak the Bosnian language. The Farsi language is spoken widely in Iran and Afganistan, and it is an Indo-European language, so is closer related to English or French than it is to Arabic. To sum up, if you want to speak a language that will allow you to communicate with many Muslims, your options are probably, in order, Arabic, Indonesian, and Farsi.

As an aside, I wouldn't take emails like that to mean anything. Demographic changes happen so rapidly and unpredictably, alarmist and xenophobic analyses like that (Watch out! People unlike you will soon take over your country and you will soon be a minority!) are usually bullshit. I would pay it no mind. --Jayron32 00:25, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Several years ago, there was an article in either Time or Newsweek that opined that Europe would be largely Islamic within 50 years. That was based on the current growth rate, along with the decline of Christianity in Europe, while failing to take resistence into account. It reminds me of a story, I think written by Mark Twain, based on the rate of "shortening" of the Mississippi River over time. He projected backwards that the Mississippi must have been many thousands of miles long in ancient times. As you say, estimates based on current growth (or shrinkage) rates are not necessarily reliable predictors. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:33, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

By the third trimester, there will be hundreds of babies inside you. Extrapolation is tricky. --Mr.98 (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

(another ec):First, that email attachment very likely is nonsense. Moreover, there is no such thing as "a Muslim-based language", or "the Muslim community". But if you want to learn a new language, that's certainly a good idea. Arabic is the language of the Qur’an, and is spoken in different dialects in much of Arabia and Northern Africa, and probably among Muslim minorities in France. Farsi is spoken by Muslims in Iran, Afghanistan and neighbouring regions. Urdu is probably the language spoken as a native language by the largest number of Muslims, and it's fairly widely spoken among Muslims in the UK. Turkish is spoken by around 80 million people, including many immigrants in Germany. And Indonesian has about 200 million speakers. Urdu and Farsi are Indo-European languages, so that might give you a leg up. Arabic is a semitic language and has a long literary tradition, so that's a plus. Turkish and Indonesian are written with Latin letters. Take your pick. As for learning them, there are various methods. If I remember correctly, Richard Francis Burton, who apparently spoke 29 languages, including Arabic, recommended going to the country and living with a local hooker for a month. Others recommend to live with a family that has small children for a while. More conventional are language classes. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

• I recall the email in question from a couple of years ago. I think it originated as an article on a far-right group's website. I have read an excellent rebuttal of it (maybe by the chap who write the Bad Science pieces for the Grauniad). I'll try to find it. DuncanHill (talk) 00:49, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, I've remembered where I heard about this before. It was on a BBC Radio 4 programme about statistics and their misuse - when I can remember the name I'll come back again! DuncanHill (talk) 08:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Considering that the proportion of muslims in the EU is 3.2% (16 million out of a total population of 500 million), and after a couple of generations the fertility rate among recent immigrants usually falls considerably (in fact the fertility rate is currently lower than 8.1 in every country in the world), it will be a long, long time before Islam could even possibly become a majority faith in the EU. It is only racist fuckwits, sorry... far-right islamaphobes who are stoking fears of a European Caliphate or Eurabia. You can safely ignore the email attachment. That said, learning Arabic wouldn't do you any harm. Astronaut (talk) 02:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

• OK, these claims came from a Youtube video. They were dealt with on the Radio 4 programme More or Less, and you can read and listen at this link [1]. DuncanHill (talk) 08:38, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Obvious Joke: ...And if Arabic is too hard for you, you could move to USA and learn Spanish! APL (talk) 18:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Or he could remain in Europe and also learn Spanish, seeing as that's where Spain is.--92.251.136.245 (talk) 21:51, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not saying it was a funny joke, but it was sort of based on the premise that the right-wing reactionaries are right, and that both regions would soon be overrun by outsiders who overwhelm the existing culture instead of integrating with it.APL (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I thought America had already been overrun by outsiders who overwhelmed the existing culture instead of integrating with it. DuncanHill (talk) 00:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Well sure, but I meant, you know, again. APL (talk) 04:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey, don't cheapen our Manifest Destiny. We overrun dozens or even hundreds of cultures. Googlemeister (talk) 19:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Electric locomotives and locomotive numbers

Why are some electric locomotives called Bo-Bo or Co-Co? And also, as most locomotives that are or were in service in the UK have numbers, where is all this information stored? Is there a database with all the numbers in it, or is it just something used to distinguish locomotives of the same class from each other whilst they are in service? I was looking through a book of British 60s electrics and diesels in the midland regions. Chevymontecarlo. 08:40, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll start you off with links to Bo-Bo and Co-Co. They seem to relate somewhat to UIC classification of locomotive axle arrangements. I think loco numbers were issued by the owning company - presumably British Rail in the 1960s. Info on the 60s is probably now best stored in railway publications of one sort or another. Contemporary numbering will live with the rolling stock leasing companies. --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll add a link to List of British Rail modern traction locomotive classes - the numbers relate to the class of locomotive as well as a "serial number", so for example 27056 is a British Rail Class 27, and the 056 relates to its number within the class, the first being 27001. All the numbers of current locomotives, coaching stock, wagons, etc. are all organised by TOPS which also records train formations, timetables and a hundred and one other things. -=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=- 09:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

PEACE LILY again

How often will a Peace Lily flower if kept indoors in a pot?LHattingh (talk) 09:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

That question was answered on one of the ref desks a couple of days ago. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Here,[2] in fact. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:38, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

9/11 Report question -- radiation hazards

I was reading the 9/11 Report yesterday (interesting stuff!), and there is some discussion about roof rescues weren't attempted on the World Trade Center towers (in the North Tower at least that would have been maybe the only way anyone above the crash site could have evacuated). There was a mention of radiation hazards on tops of the towers that I was just curious about in a factual way:

Doors leading to the roof were locked.There was no rooftop evacuation plan. The roofs of both the North Tower and the South Tower were sloped and cluttered surfaces with radiation hazards,making them impractical for helicopter landings and as staging areas for civilians. ... Even if the doors had not been locked,structural and radiation hazards made the rooftops unsuitable staging areas for a large number of civilians; and even if conditions permitted general helicopter evacuations—which was not the case—only several people could be lifted at a time.[3]

What were the radiation hazards mentioned? How much radiation are we talking about? (Of course, it seems like compared to the threat of the towers collapsing, a few rems would have been preferable, but that's neither here nor there.) (I am not a conspiracy theorist, mind you. I'm just curious what they're talking about!) (If it is somewhere else in the Report, I apologize... I looked through online with the "find" button, but didn't see anything obvious on my first pass. The paperback version that I am reading does not have an index.) --Mr.98 (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

World Trade Center says "The roof of 1 WTC contained a vast array of transmission antennas" for "almost all" of NYC's TV and a bunch of its broadcast FM stations. So when they say "radiation" I think they mean electromagnetic radiation not ionising radiation. Those signals would pose a major hazard for helicopters flying near them. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 14:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

But wouldn't all those have been turned off or had power cut by then ? I certainly did think that there should have been attempts made to rescue from the roof, and that the roof should have been designed for that. Similar to the Titanic, there just didn't seem to be provisions made to evacuate everyone quickly enough. There was always a possibility that certain stories of the buildings could become impassable and evacuation would need to go up as well as down, but they never implemented a plan for this. StuRat (talk) 16:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

This is just wild speculation, but perhaps whichever agencies had helicopters ready simply didn't know the status of the transmitters and what effect that would have on the helicopters. Like you say, there was no plan in place, and finding out this sort of technical information quickly in a crisis is probably not easy. APL (talk) 18:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

One of the things they emphasize in the Report is that the plane impacts seriously damaged the electronic infrastructure and that because of this the computer systems were really unreliable in the upper parts of the towers. This was responsible for a lot of problems—this is why the doors at the top were still locked even though the central control had sent a universal "unlock" signal, and why some of the intercom systems didn't work correctly, and why the radio relay system was unreliable (thus emergency personnel who got above a certain height in the tower lost their ability to communicate with people on the ground). So I'm not sure it is clear whether they could have turned the stuff off at the top at that point, even if they had sent a signal. It is not necessarily true that the power would have been automatically cut by the planes.

Incidentally... it is actually rather impressive how many people were evacuated. From the same chapter:

The National Institute of Standards and Technology has provided a preliminary estimation that between 16,400 and 18,800 civilians were in the WTC complex as of 8:46 A.M. on September 11. At most 2,152 individuals died at the WTC complex who were not (1) fire or police first responders, (2) security or fire safety personnel of the WTC or individual companies, (3) volunteer civilians who ran to the WTC after the planes’ impact to help others, or (4) on the two planes that crashed into the Twin Towers.

That's actually a pretty effective evacuation, as far as they go. They got some 14,000-16,000 people (over 88% of those there) out of harm's way in a little over an hour and a half, even though it wasn't at all clear at first that the towers would likely collapse. A lot of the people who died were due to the immediate plane explosion itself, or because they were trapped in the upper floors and had no way below the damage (at least in the North Tower; in the South Tower they had some limited way through for some amount of the time, if I'm remembering right). I think the basic problem re: roof evacuation is that even under ideal conditions, getting 2,000 people out via helicopter would have been pretty much impossible in that amount of time, much less under the conditions they had there (where the heat from the fires itself was enough to make helicopter use extremely precarious). --Mr.98 (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

There seemed to be times when one or both roofs were clear enough for evacuation. In this pic of the impact on the 2nd tower, the roof of the first tower looks clear, for example: [4]. As you said, there wouldn't have been anywhere near 2000 people to make it to the roofs, but, even if there had been, if each chopper could pick up 5 people, and took 1 minute to do so, you could pick up 300 people per hour per tower. That's a significant number, but you'd need a few dozen choppers to do it. I'm sure there's that many in NYC, it's just a matter of having a plan to press them into service. StuRat (talk) 21:33, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Your hypothetical 1 minute-rescues implies that they're just going straight over to some other building and then back. A "few dozen" helicopters all within a 30 second flight of each other, hovering over a burning building (With all the unpredictable air currents that implies), and stuffed to capacity with survivors ... That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Especially if you're using pilots not trained for rescue work. APL (talk) 22:57, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'd expect them to drop people off at the nearest safe roof. They would want to set up a traffic pattern, where choppers approach on one side, hover in a designated area, land, then leave in another direction. A "control area" could be set up on the roof of a nearby building (or from a chopper hovering above the rest), to avoid confusion. It certainly would be dangerous, but the alternative was that everyone on the roof died, wasn't it ? It was also obviously dangerous for first responders to enter the building, but the did that, didn't they ? StuRat (talk) 00:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

The other alternative is helicopters crashing into the people safely evacuating below, or into buildings not currently damaged and not yet on fire.

Seriously though, Incident Command is a complicated thing and setting up the sort of operation you're talking about with dozens of pilots in different types of vehicles, many of them under-trained and never having worked in this sort of group, would take a long time. The very few people in the city capable of even attempting to organize something like this probably felt their time was best spent elsewhere. APL (talk) 01:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I also don't think the roof looks terribly clear in that picture you've chosen. Aside from the fact that it is just a slight moment in time (one in which a plane happens to be exploding into the side of the other building, releasing enough pressure and heat to have severely damaged any nearby helicopters), it still appears there is significant smoke. --Mr.98 (talk) 13:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

We can't tell from that angle whether the roof has any flat places big enough for a landing. —Tamfang (talk) 06:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Finlay, that makes more sense. --Mr.98 (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Isn't not landing evacuating from the roof because it was dangerous like saying you won't jump out a third storey window to escape certain burning to death because you might seriously injure yourself?--92.251.164.176 (talk) 21:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Dogo Argentino in UK

The article on the dogo argentino says "it is illegal to own Dogos Argentinos without specific exemption from a court per the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991". What does it take to get this exemption? Is it a matter of proving that you need one (e.g. for protection due to the type of work your involved in) or just proving that your capable of owning one and bringing it up properly so that it does not pose a threat to others or yourself? --212.120.247.225 (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I would start by asking at your local police station, but I suspect you will need a better excuse than "for protection..." and an explanation why you want that specific breed rather than a German Shepherd, for example. I also added relevant links to your question. Astronaut (talk) 17:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

You probably need proper legal advice which we are not allowed to give, but this may help http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/pets/cruelty/documents/ddcircular29.1997.pdf MilborneOne (talk) 16:58, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

This official page explains the basics of the law, as does this one. It says an exemption will be given if the court is satisfied that the dog is not a danger to the public (however, that can only happen after you've been convicted of owning an unregistered banned dog and fined/imprisoned, as far as I can tell). You wanting a way to defend yourself would not be acceptable, just as it isn't an acceptable reason for carrying a knife. I don't believe there is any legal way of getting a banned dog (they are illegal to breed and sell), though. Exemptions are intended for people that had such dogs before the 1991 Act came into force, I think (and didn't register them and get them exempted before 30 November 1991). My advice would be to forget all about owning one. If you really want to, you'll need to talk to a lawyer - they will probably give you the same advice, though. --Tango (talk) 17:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no reference to the courts in section 1 of The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991, which is the section that makes it an offence to breed, sell, or (after the designated date) have a dog of one of the types designated. There are reference to the courts in section 4, which covers destruction and qualification orders. It therefore appears that, as Tango says, there are cases in which the courts may not order a dog to be destroyed, but there is no exemption to the offence. I shall edit the dogo argentino accordingly. --ColinFine (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

The 1991 Act authorises the Secretary of State to create an exemption scheme. It was closed after 30 November 1991 and then reopened following the 1997 amendment. The links I gave explain it better than the Act - Acts of Parliament are really hard to interpret without being a politician or a lawyer. --Tango (talk) 19:33, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Section 4B of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (introduced in a 1997 amendment) allows exemptions to be made without convicting the offender.House of Commons, 4 November 2009 If an individual is found with a banned dog but they have a certificate of exemption and have not breached any of the specific control laws then no offence has been committed.Wyre Borough Council Road Wizard (talk) 21:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Pitch-side advertising

This season, I've noticed a change in the pitch-side advertising at some Premier League games. Besides the usual advertising for the team sponsors, the stadium tours, etc. there are some adverts featuring asian language such as Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai and Korean. For example, the 188BET adverts shown at Anfield, and the Kumiho tyres adverts at Old Trafford. Is there a reason for the appearence of asian languages in these adverts? Astronaut (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Television! the premier games are shown all over the middle and far east so it is advertising appealing to the world wide tv audience. MilborneOne (talk) 17:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

For evidence of the extent of this market (the Far East specifically), see the pre-season schedule of the Premier League sides and how many of them play a mini-tournament in Thailand or something and the fact that Everton's main sponsor is in fact Chang Beer. 91.85.128.205 (talk) 19:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

The Premier League is extremely popular in Asia - if you take a quick look at www.manutd.com for example, you'll notice the front page has links to Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean versions of the site. I've been noticing adverts in Asian languages at quite a few grounds for a few years now. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 22:49, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Add in all the kit-sponsors changing from Uk Market based companies to more international companies (e.g Man City's sponsor is Etihad and Man Utd's is AIG). It's all about the increasingly global face of the English Premier League. I recall hearing that Everton were 'pushed' to purchase a player from Asia more in terms of marketing/increasing localised (to Asia) interest in their club rather than purely for footballing reasons. Not sure of the truth of such a rumour (sounds vaguely plausible) but I suppose the existence of the rumour is 'evidence' of the increasing focus on international-interest in the premiership. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 12:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Where are you watching this? Some television broadcasts digitally replace the pitchside ads with ones relevant to their audience. DJ Clayworth (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

On Sky Sports in the UK. I see no reason for a UK sports channel to digitally replace the adverts for showing in the UK market. Astronaut (talk) 18:31, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Several Major League Baseball teams have started running advertisements in Japanese because of the influx of Japanese players in the league. The games get broadcast in Japan. Woogee (talk) 17:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Two of the biggest examples are the New York Yankees, especially when Hideki Matsui was on the team, and the Seattle Mariners, which are partly owned by Hiroshi Yamauchi, the chairman of Nintendo (whose U.S. subsidiary is based near Seattle). --McDoobAU93 (talk) 18:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Simple answer. They pay more for the advertising opportunity... Gazhiley (talk) 10:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Mixer bowl

Has anyone heard of a mixing bowl (most likely made of plastic) that has a hole cut in the center where you can place an electric hand mixer inside the hole and you beat what's inside without it splattering everywhere? Any idea who makes this? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by NancyDrew68 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean one with a plastic top with such a hole in it ? It seems like that would interfere with the ability to mix the stuff that sticks to the sides of the bowl, and also to view how well mixed the results are, so I don't think a professional chef would use such a thing. You can just use the beater on low to avoid splashing. StuRat (talk) 21:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Like this?[5] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:42, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Not quite. They said a hand mixer. StuRat (talk) 21:46, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but same general idea, right? I find that photo by google-imaging [mixing bowl mixer], as [mixer] by itself tended to bring up mostly electronic mixers. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, the advantage of a hand mixer is that you can move it around and control it more precisely to mix what needs mixing and leave alone what is already sufficient mixed (especially important when whipping cream), and you seem to lose that advantage when putting a lid on, so you might as well go to an automatic mixer, I suppose. StuRat (talk) 00:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

A possible solution would be for NancyDrew68 to buy a (cheap) plastic bowl without a hole, and cut one herself. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 08:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I found this patent which seems from the description to be what you mean http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5533801.html Otherwise,I use something like this,the "jar" is deep enough to prevent splashes. http://www.cutleryandmore.com/viking/immersion-blender.htm..hotclaws 19:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I have a hand mixer, no stand mixer. The easiest way to prevent 'splashback' is to add items in in small increments. I also tend to tip the mixer forward so the bits spinning off either go into the bowl from the front or are at the wrong angle for escape from the back. If you need something similar to the KitchenAid 'splash guard', I seem to remember Alton Brown recommending using a Frisbee(tm) with a 3" or so diameter hole cut in it, but I can't cite the source.68.32.251.73 (talk) 04:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Transport in WY

Hello guys! I looked for more articles and websites but I couldn't find answer to this:
I'd like to travel from Denver, CO (or Cheyenne, WY) to Riverton, WY by public transportation (NOT by aircraft) but I didn't find schedules. Could you write me, is there so buslines?
Later I'd like to explore Cheyenne, WY. Could you write me, is there public transportation system in Cheyenne, WY? If I good know, on the rail there's only fragile service...
Thanks for the help and I'm sorry but my english knowledge is not the best... :) - Keldvi (talk) 21:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Greyhound (bus) can get you to Casper from either Denver or Cheyenne, and the Wind River Transportation Authority (also bus) provides a shuttle between Casper and Riverton. Make sure you check the schedules and figure out a coordination plan, as it isn't like these things run once an hour. Here is a route map for bus transportation in Cheyenne itself. A couple of slight caveats: Greyhound is the 21st century American version of steerage, (it isn't terrible but BO is a frequent passenger), and although I've only passed through Cheyenne briefly, there probably isn't a huge amount of stuff to explore there - probably a few museums and the state capitol and that's it. This too isn't a horrible idea, just know that Cheyenne probably wouldn't be able to provide a week's worth of activities, probably more like a day or two. This site has some more information on stuff to do in Cheyenne. AlexiusHoratius 22:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

As for trains, forget it, there are no passenger trains at all in Wyoming. There haven't been any since 1983, in fact. --Anonymous, 03:32 UTC, March 29, 2010.

I am surprised that a town of 9,000 (Riverton) in a county "the size of Belgium" with a population density of 2/km² has an airport with 3 daily flights (all to Denver).[6] Even the state capital only has 8 daily flights (only to Denver or Dallas). It must have to do with Riverton being only 150 miles to Yellowstone National Park or 130 miles to Grand Teton National Park. The only other attraction seems to be the casinos at the Wind River Indian Reservation. Rmhermen (talk) 13:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Greyhound has a location closer to Riverton: Shoshoni, WY (approx 20 miles away), but I can't get any schedule or fares information. I feel sure there would be local buses or taxi companies that could take you the last 20 miles. Failing that, there's always hitchhiking.

Then again, the whole journey is only a few hours, so why not try to convince a friend in Denver to give you a ride all the way there. Astronaut (talk) 18:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I would expect some difficulties finding volunteers to drive you on a roundtrip of 750 miles (12-driving hours). Rmhermen (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hair color

Why do anime characters have weird hair colors? --J4\/4 <talk> 23:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

One reason is probably just so you can tell them apart (especially when they all look vaguely Japanese, no matter what nationality they allegedly are). StuRat (talk) 00:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Why not? A significant portion of anime has far more unrealistic aspects to it, so as long as you're creating a fantastic perfect world, go crazy. Same reason all the women have breast to waist ratios that would kill a normal human - you can, so if you want to you do. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, much of the audience is kids, who might like to have wild hair like that, but their mothers won't let them. So, in the animes they can pretend to be those characters and live out their fantasies. StuRat (talk) 14:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I think there is also a tradition in the art style that dates back to 'pulp comics' where the printing methods were crude and it was tough to make subtle color variations. That's the main reason that superheroes always have primary-colored costumes for example. SteveBaker (talk) 05:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

March 29

geography

regarding details of seashells island —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.80.203 (talk) 00:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I asked my girlfriend. She says, see Seychelles (by the sea shore). StuRat (talk) 00:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

There's a Seashell Beach Resort on Havelock Island - is that what you are think of? Otherwise, there's a Shell Island in Wales, or one in Panama City, Florida. Warofdreams talk 01:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You're not alone in not knowing the islands. On The Amazing Race 16 yesterday only two of the six teams could pronounce the name of the islands correctly. DJ Clayworth (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

bloated cellphone battery

One of my father's cellphone battery seems to be bloated. It looked like a bag of potato chips rather than a sleek rectangular battery. Anyways, I threw it away just in case it would explode or something. Anyways, what caused its bloating and what could have happened if we have left it inside the phone. There was no marking in the battery itself, just 3.7 V and the company's name.--121.54.2.188 (talk) 01:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

It certainly sounds like a good idea to dispose of it, but I believe cell phone batteries contain toxic substances so should be disposed of properly, not just tossed in the trash. Is it an NiMH battery ? StuRat (talk) 01:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

No idea what type of battery it is, the battery seems to be a cheap knock off and have no other labels aside from what I said above. I also told my folks not to buy cheap but unreliable phones anymore. I think it was collected with the other trash last week. Our country is not that keen in garbage segregation yet.--121.54.2.188 (talk) 01:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

What could have happened? Well, it's a long shot, but it could have literally exploded. If you google for "Exploding phone" you'll find several stories, mostly from China, about cell-phones that have gone off like hand grenades and killed or maimed their users. APL (talk) 04:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I've got a Nokia 6234 whose (original) battery is on its last dying legs. It has bloated so much that I've broken several clips on the back cover trying to force it onto the phone. The battery "dies" when I speak too long on a call, but then indicates full charge when I switch the phone back on again. I have to charge it every night. Thus far no ill effects in terms of exploding. I'm going to guess but could the bloating be as a cause of a chemical reaction? Maybe the reactants take up less volume than the substance(s) they produce. Zunaid 09:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

According to these articles, in lithium-ion batteries, there's a basic design problem. Due to overcharging or a small short circuit (a result of metal build-up on the electrodes in the battery), a significant amount of heat can be generated, and if gas builds up inside it expands, causing the case to bulge, or if it's hot enough the battery can catch fire [7][8]. Not a good sign. --Normansmithy (talk) 10:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Yea, Zunaid, get rid of that battery, it's dangerous. StuRat (talk) 14:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

How many registered companies are there in Australia?

Please give me a recent/updated reference. 123.3.110.165 (talk) 12:29, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

1,734,388, as at Feb 2010. There are also 8,541,312 businesses. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:31, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Education in Rajasthan

I just want to know on the one side govt of rajasthan want to improve its education status on the other hand some universities who have announced distance learning programme like M.A education and they have written in their prospectus that its a 2 years degree programme which is equivalent to M.ED course of rajasthan university then why IN 2010 B.ED colleges are not taking the candidates who have dome M.A in education from VMOU kota as a faculty? whats the reason we feel govt. has cheated us because they must know distance learning is for those who are already in job and want to get higher education in that condition they must get the eligibility criteria similar to m.ed regular course. just clear it or tell the sggestion i'm a highly qualified girl and as i felt there is no use of education in rajsthan . now please answer or raise my voice. please help me i'm a girl and i need a good job. i feel i have spoiled my 2 years honestly is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.240.218 (talk) 14:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

The List of ministers in Government of Rajasthan names Mangi Lal Garasia as state minister for Primary & Secondary Education, Labour & Employment. This may be a question to which the minister's office would respond. The Rajasthan government web site provides a way to contact them. While you may express concern about the distance learning qualification you are more likely to get a helpful response if you do not accuse them of cheating. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

individual resale

In the UK i regularly buy drinks from local corner stores, often, for instance today I have a lucozade, and on the side it says NOT FOR INDIVIDUAL RESALE. Does any one ever get prosecuted for this. Is it a law of some sort or just drinks companies trying to make more money? and any other info. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.172.58.82 (talk) 15:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, those restrictions only apply to people buying directly from the manufacturer, and are part of their contracts. They don't apply to individual consumers, to the best of my knowledge. You own the bottle, you can do what you like with it. No contract exists between you and the manufacturer. Of course, if this is anything more than idle curiosity, you shouldn't trust me and should talk to a lawyer. --Tango (talk) 15:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Legally, food and drink items in many countries must comply with local labelling laws (see Food labeling regulations for a description of the situation in the UK only). For example, many jurisdictions require food labels to include ingredients lists and nutrition information. If a food item is packaged in a multipack, for example I can buy a box of Twinkies, where each Twinkie is individually wrapped, the individually wrapped cakes don't have the ingredients on them, just the box itself. So, it would not be fully compliant for a store to sell me the individual Twinkies, since I would need to buy the whole box to get the nutrition information. So, if someone is selling you stuff from an opened box, without the proper labeling, they may be doing so against regulations. You could report this to somebody, who may or may not give a shit. Your chance of getting someone to care and act upon this is vanishingly close to nil, but I suppose there's a chance that if the right regulatory agency were notified, then someone might be able to fine the store for the violation. Personally, I think that reporting your local corner store because they sold you an improperly labeled soda can, and getting them in trouble for doing so, is the height of douchebaggery, but to each his own. It is technically against the rules at some level, I suppose... --Jayron32 15:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Possibly the selling price or packaging of Lucozade differs in different regions and the suppliers wish to preserve these differences. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 15:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

This is anecdotal but I think is a more correct reason than the above explanations. I've seen this type of labelling on food and drinks before. Most likely Lucozade is running a promotion and the bottles are pre-packaged as e.g. 2 for the price of 1 or a discounted 6-pack etc. Lucozade would sell these on to the retailer at a discounted price compared to the normal stock price. The retailer is not supposed to abuse the situation by then opening the pack and selling individual bottles at the normal retail price. They are being unethical by doing so as they received the discount from Lucozade and are not passing it on to the consumer. Was/is there any Lucozade promotion going on your area? Do the tops have a different colour or is the packaging subtly different in a way so as to indicate a promotion/competition is undergo? Zunaid 16:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

That label is supposed to prevent the consumer from splitting a six-pack in the supermarket (and maybe trying to insist on paying just 1/6th of the six-pack price). To emphasise the point even further, there is often no barcode printed on the individual bottles, only on the exterior of the six-pack. This is a big deal for a major supermarket because it leaves them with an unsellable "six-pack-with-one-missing". Your small corner shop probably picked up the six-pack from a local cash and carry wholesaler or maybe the same local supermarket you shop at, and is probably selling it on to you at their usual single item price. IANAL, but I doubt they are breaking any law or ripping off anybody (except you, the customer). If you are a bit of a busy-body and it is really bugging you, you could ask the local trading standards office. Astronaut (talk) 17:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Digital Converter Box without cable

Hello, I have two questions about a digital converter box. First is whether or not the goverment still offers coupons for purchasing a new box. Second and most importantly, without having any kind of cable service, can a digital converter box pick up any channels? (NBC, CBS, PBS, etc.) Thank you in advance. --67.134.239.205 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

There are many governments on this planet. Which of them are you asking about? Cuddlyable3 (talk) 15:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

US --67.134.239.205 (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

According to the government's website the voucher program is over, so at this point you will have to pay full-price for a converter box. The converter box, when used with a regular antenna, will convert any over-the-air channels you could previously pick up. The main website has a well-written FAQ section to answer other questions, too. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) 1) You're outta luck on the coupons. According to the U.S. government website, the program ended July 31, 2009.

2) If you have cable TV, you actually don't need the converter box, since the cable company handles conversion at their end (before they send the TV down the cable to you), OR they lease you one of their boxes as part of their cable package. Either way, if you have cable, you don't need the box. The box is solely for people who receive their TV via "over the air" signals. If you wish to receive digital TV on an over-the-air signal, you will need to either get a DTV-compatible set with a built-in tuner, or buy a converter box. WalMart and most similar stores still sell them. --Jayron32 15:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

My problem is I just moved into a new house in New Jersey, but I do not want/need cable. I would like the basic 5 channels for things like the news. I have tried hooking a cable into my TV and I did not receive any reception. If I try an aentena bought from Radio Shack, will that possibly help? --67.134.239.205 (talk) 16:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

There are almost certainly major network channels being broadcasted through the air at your house, so you need a regular television antenna to pick up the signals (like from RadioShack), and either an ATSC-compatible television or an older television with a digital converter box (which goes in between the antenna and the television). —Akrabbim^talk 16:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

If your TV is digital, then just the pair of bunny ears may be enough. If your tv is analog (ie:old) then you're going to need the bunny ears and the converter box. APL (talk) 16:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

The government website says any antennae you already own will work with the converter box, although to receive the best picture you may want to get a new antenna designed for digital TV. A good electronics store near your home will probably be the best place to help answer any questions or address concerns specific to where you are (for example, they may know some tricks on how to place the antenna to improve reception for particular stations). Based solely on your location, you probably will have a number of stations to choose from over-the-air. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 16:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You can check which stations you are supposed to be receiving at your location by plugging in your zip code at http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/ . Anything marked as green or yellow should be obtainable with your run-of-the-mill VHF+UHF antenna. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 17:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. That web site says "assuming an outdoor antenna 30 feet above ground level". With my rabbit ears on the first floor, I don't even get good reception for the stations in green. StuRat (talk) 21:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Funny you should ask about digital TV. I live in Detroit, USA, which is a major city and flat, so reception shouldn't really be a problem. But, ever since the US transitioned from analog to digital, I can't get a consistent good signal, which is extremely annoying. I just have rabbit ears, but that's all I had with analog TV and they worked fine. Right now I'm actually watching an analog station from Windsor, Ontario, Canada, which hasn't yet gone through the digital transition. Even though the station is farther away, I get better reception because it's analog. So, to me digital TV is crap. I wish we had never switched. I'm going to be stuck paying hundreds of dollars for a massive roof antenna just to match my old reception with rabbit ears, it seems. StuRat (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

My understanding (will try find a reference) is that at the moment the 'digital' signal cannot be broadcast full-power whilst the analogue signals are still being sent out, once they turn these off (region by region) they'll be able to boost the digital signal output and everyone within the area should (ignoring personalising factors) receive a better signal. I agree though, digital noise is a different kind of annoying to analogue - though how much of that is just getting used to it i'm not sure. 21:29, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I've had over a year to get used to it, and I haven't. It's not just different, it's worse. With a weak analog signal, you get a fairly consistent snow on the screen over the video and white noise on the audio. With a weak digital signal it cuts out repeatedly. You just can't follow a show that keeps cutting out like that, not like the way you could adapt to snow on the screen. Also, what constitutes a weak signal has changed. Here in Detroit, a weak analog signal was one from Toledo, Ohio or Ann Arbor or Flint, Michigan. Under digital, I have no reception at all from those cities, and stations actually in Detroit are now weak under digital. StuRat (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you considered the possibility that your converter box is ... not good? I'm not at all convinced that those government subsidized converter boxes are quality pieces of equipment. APL (talk) 22:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I have what I'd call an upscale version. The ones at Walmart looked like such crap I walked away, and ended up with the Zenith DTT901 instead. But, if even with the $40 government subsidy and an additional $24 each, I still can't get decent reception, that's another strike against digital TV. StuRat (talk) 03:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

It may partially that your antenna isn't particularly suited for the transmission your trying to receive. You say you have a rabbit ear antenna. Presuming this is really solely a rabbit ear antenna with a loop, this works well for VHF, but doesn't work so well for UHF. It's not clear what channels you used to receive and whether they were all of acceptable quality but if you were primarily receiving VHF channels before and are now primarily receiving UHF channels, this would be a problem. Here in NZ most of the important analog channels are generally in VHF and DVB-t is generally in mid to high UHF (and I don't know if there are any plans to start using the VHF once analog switch off occurs, it may be used for something else) but evidentally things are not so simple in the US [9]. In Detroit however it appears most channels except for Fox are in UHF most mid or high [10] so this may indeed be a problem if you're a dipole only antenna. While not really addressing the question of your analog vs digital issues, you could also try a higher quality indoor antenna or moving around your existing one Nil Einne (talk) 07:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

My rabbit ears combine a dipole antenna with a loop. Digital TV is mainly in UHF, yes, but analog was in both VHF and UHF here, and I was able to receive both with this antenna. It actually seems to be some type of interference, as sometimes digital reception is fine, then it goes through periods where about once a second it cuts out. When looking on the signal meter the signal strength wildly oscillates between strong and weak. StuRat (talk) 12:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

StuRat -- the problem with "rabbit ears" is that they're pretty non-directional, and many of the problems people have been having with Digital TV reception in the US has been due to multipath interference, rather than the "weakness" of the signal as such. I had to junk the rabbit ears and go with a $29.99 indoor directional antenna to get acceptable reception (but that antenna is optimized for UHF, so if there are VHF signals in your area, then it might not resolve all your problems). AnonMoos (talk) 06:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

You have rabbit ears too, Stu? Are you Baseball Bugs's cousin or something?  :) -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 19:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

And If I gave them to you, you'd have Jackrabbit ears. :-) StuRat (talk) 15:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Digital Radio

I have always, for the past 20 years or so listened to the radio while I sleep. Radio in the Uk has changed to digital. Or mine has at least. Now rather than getting crystal clearreception, I get a garbled sound, this fades out to clarity and back again to garbled, it sounds almost like they are half underwater. why is this, is there something I can do to fix it? I thought that the swicth to digital was supposed to give the consumer better reception, or am I mistaken? Does anyone else experience this. Will I have a similar problem when I change my TV to digital. Further more, I have a freeview box, and every 2 weeks or so I need to switch it off at the back and on again as the names and times of the programs are not displayed, is this a common problem? 1 of my friends has the same issue. My main concern is my radio though, BBC worldservice is just not the same underwater. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.172.58.82 (talk) 16:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You've probably gotten used to a certain amount of analog static, and are reacting to the weird garbledness of digital interference.

This is certainly a criticism of the switches to digital. With a strong signal the digital sounds better than analog, but with a weak signal you get a different kind of interference that's harder to ignore.

I suggest getting a better antenna. APL (talk) 16:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm a little confused. The Digital Switchover in the UK isn't scheduled until 2015. In order for you to receive DAB signals you need to buy a DAB radio. Are you saying that you have bought a DAB radio recently? On my DAB radios is a wire aerial, which I had to find the best position for. Have you tried doing that? Generally, it seems to be the case that certain areas of the UK have poorer DAB reception than others. If you look at this forum [11] you will find some related information on this, and you may get a better answer quicker there. --TammyMoet (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

(e/c)First off, many parts of the UK do not receive a decent digital radio signal; either way you won't be able to listen to a digital radio station without a digital radio receiver, and either way you can always improve performance with a better aerial. Perhaps your aerial has broken or become detached? As for the Freeview box, like any computing device it will occasionally crash and it's necessary to reboot it. You will also save some electricity and minimize fire risk by turning it off every night.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think your problem has any connection with digital radio, except possibly from interference from digital signals. It is probably just drifting of your tuner slightly off frequency. Where I live, this is the normal situation on FM because the signal is so weak. I usually listen to Radio 4 on Long Wave (better reception than FM), and other channels via satellite. If you have a freeview box, then your TV signal is already digital. Can you not get radio via freeview? Dbfirs 21:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed indenting - shantavira, you do not need to re-indent comments above yours. Or perhaps it was a system problem --203.202.43.53 (talk) 04:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I found with a DAB radio that if you move the antenna away from the wall or other solid object it can stop the weird gargling noise you sometimes get. From my experiences DAB digital radio is tons better in sound quality that FM. Chevymontecarlo. 06:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Circumcision in Germany.

Just curious to know whether elective circumcisions on non-Jewish baby boys in Third Reich Germany declined in demand, and if so, whether they have re-emerged in popularity. 92.30.74.175 (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

In the movie Europa Europa, a Jewish boy tries to pass himself off as a German by pulling up the skin over the head of his penis and tying it in place. That ends badly. Woogee (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Male circumcision is illegal in Germany with exception for "hygienic, religious or aesthetic reasons".[12] Presumably the influx of Muslim immigrants after World War II will have increased non-Jewish circumcision, but I guess that wasn't what you meant. Gabbe (talk) 23:50, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

What other reasons besides those three would there be for circumcision? Beach drifter (talk) 23:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I doubt circumcision done in an effort to enhance sexual pleasure, for example, would count as "hygienic, religious or aesthetic". Gabbe (talk) 09:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Does "hygienic" cover all medical reasons? Sometimes it's medically necessary to circumcise a person, for reasons that are not hygiene-related as such. -- 202.142.129.66 (talk) 00:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The OP asks about circumcision of Jewish boys in Germany during the 3rd Reich. Surely the local rabbi would have performed the operation. These would have maintained a significant anonimaty for the young males. 86.4.186.107 (talk) 07:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

How do you interpret "elective circumcisions on non-Jewish baby boys" as meaning "circumcision of Jewish boys"? Gabbe (talk) 08:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't get the bit about "anonimaty". —Tamfang (talk) 21:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thaks Gabbe, clearly, some people here should stay in Bed rather than pretend they can read and comprehend simple English. As the OP here, can I re-state that I specifically asked about circumcision on non-Jewish boys 92.30.75.211 (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems this law would be completely unenforceable due to the "aesthetic" part. Beach drifter (talk) 21:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

A trick used by some Jews (in the Cracow ghetto anyway) during the days of the third reich was to fix a bottle of water to themselves every night. They would start with just a little water. Also why is circumsicion banned but chopping off your own fingers isn't?--92.251.191.108 (talk) 00:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Chopping of other people's fingers is generally frowned upon. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 06:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I just want to point out that the page referenced by Gabbe actually says something completely different, rough translation: "Someone who performs without medical indication -- but for hygienic, religious or aesthetic reasons instead -- a circumcision on an underaged boy, commits battery (don't know if that is the correct legal word) according to §225 of the penal code." I can't vouch for the validity of this legal opinion. 93.129.103.164 (talk) 09:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Question about Crows

House Crow and Asian Koel Combination…

A Live Case Study / Analysis?

It’s a long mail and I request your patience to go through this, because it’s important.

We have a live case, where a pair of House Crows built their nest on the branches of the mango tree in our backyard.

First pair of House Crow (House Crow I) had built their nest some time during November 2009. There were four eggs but only one egg hatched in December 2009. I have the videos covering that event, which I have uploaded on my channel “GeorgeCMaliakal” on YouTube with title ‘House Crow I – Mystery of Vanishing Eggs Part I and Part II’

Now, another pair of House Crows (We call them as House Crow II) had built their new nest on a different branch of the same mango tree in our backyard sometime during January 2010 and laid eggs sometime during first week of December 2010. there were three eggs of which one was bigger and the other two comparatively smaller but of the same size.

Because of the difficult location of the nest, we could cover the event by using a remote camera fixed at the tip of a 30 feet long pole and the event monitored with the help of it’s base unit connected to our TV monitor screen. And the live movements covered by the camera were recorded from the TV monitor using a HD handy cam fixed on to a tripod placed in front of the TV monitor.

Since the total distance between the remote camera and the base unit/ TV monitor was about 50 feet and due to the limitations of the camera we used, we could get only black n white signals and that too without audio.

However, we had also tried to cover the event in colour by using a digital camera placed at the tip of this log pole. But it had its own limitations of memory and battery life. So finally we had to resort to using remote camera and covered the live action from February 14, 2010 for over FORTY days. Even now we are covering whenever they visit the mango tree.

It is worthwhile mentioning the volume of videos taken and the time we spent observing the live events, about 250 edited files, amounting to about 55 GB memory taken over a period of about 40 days, from 7 am to 7 pm. Hope you can very well understand the effort that has gone into this.

Brief summery of events covered so far include,

• Nest with eggs lying • House crow incubating the eggs • Two small eggs hatched and the big egg found missing after a few days. • Apparently, the House Crows found not disturbed by the presence of remote camera and this gave them the freedom of action. • The mother crow used to incubate the nestlings very often. • And the parent crows found visiting the nest very often and found taking care of the nestlings. • Taking something from the nestling’s throat, later feeding them, cleaning them and cleaning the nest were all routine actions in the following days. • As the nestling grew, we noticed some white spots on the body and the wings of the nestlings. • We waited and after a few more days after searching the details from relevant sites from the internet we concluded that the nestlings were of Asian Koel and that too, one was male and the other was female. • We got excited. Though there is a saying ‘Asian Koels are brood parasites’ it was now confirmed and we were witnessing the events live. • As days passed, the nestlings grew bigger in size, became more active. • We were now anxiously watching as to ‘what will happen next?’ • We wonder, how a bird can count on number of days and decide when to fledge the nestlings away? Especially in this case where there are nestlings of Asian Koel’s only, in which case the fledging away period is comparatively less than of House Crow. • The bird’s calls – The nestlings haven’t heard anything from their parents and what they hear is the calls of House Crow’s. • The nestlings started moving out of their nest and began jumping on the branches near by. • Now we started covering their movements from below as that was the only way possible. • It is confirmed from their appearance that one is male and the other a female koel. • On the 29th day after hatching, they fledged away. Again for another few days, the young male Koel seen spending the night on the branches near the nest where as the young female Koel might have spent the night somewhere else. • For a couple of day we missed their presence on the mango tree. We thought they have now gone for ever. • But to our surprise, the young Koels, both male and female, now come and spent sometime on the branches near their nest and fly on the branches of the mango tree. • All these days we have seen, in a way, their foster parents, keep a very close watch on their movements, feed them and follow them wherever they go. • Whenever I come out to cover them in the video. The parent crows make their loud calls and try to dissuade me. • The parents are now busy teaching the young Koels ‘how to make calls? And we find the young ones quite confused. • At times we hear the young Koels making some short calls like that of the Koel’s, we presume.

The questions that are haunting us today are:

• What next? • How long will the foster parents continue their control over these Young Koels? • Where are the parents of these young Koels? • Or are these young Koels orphans? • Who will accept them? The crow community or the Koel community? Or will they be accepted by any of these two community? Then what? • What is the nature’s rule?

Does any one any answers to these?

So far I could find only very limited information from various websites.

I am willing to help and contribute enough materials supporting the above facts.

After all, anybody having had a chance of similar nature, will definitely think of making more information of this nature for public sharing.

Awaiting an early response,

Maj. George Maliakal (Retd.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by George C Maliakal (talk • contribs) 18:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You really need to work on making your posts shorter. For example, you didn't need to tell us anything about the video recording methods you used, since that has nothing to do with the Q.

I don't know about this species, in particular, but the way it normally works is that the one species mates, then the male goes on his way and the female lays her egg in the nest of another species (possibly also destroying any eggs already there). She then leaves and neither parent has anything more to do with the young. The eggs hatch (usually quicker than the host species), and, if there's still an egg or chick of the host species there, they might kill it or push it out of the nest, so they get all the food for themselves. They may imitate the other species for a while, but eventually they switch back to their own species, with calls and such being instinct, not learned behavior. They then mate with others of their own species and repeat the cycle. StuRat (talk) 21:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen the Brood parasite article?--188.222.58.219 (talk) 06:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried contacting a zoo? Or your equivalent of the RSPB? Also, you may wish to look at these hints on concision. BrainyBabe (talk) 10:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Four wheelers

How come there are no articles about four wheelers or four wheeler parts?W0W 1'm Sm4RT (talk) 18:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• All-terrain vehicle. As for parts of ATVs, Wikipedia isn't a forum for ATV modders, or a how-to guide. Acroterion _(talk) 18:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia contains articles that volunteers have written. If there are no volunteers who have an interest in four wheelers - it's unlikely that very much will be written about them. SteveBaker (talk) 04:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

What about 4x4s? There's loads of articles on them... Chevymontecarlo. 06:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Ruined Wii Remote

My mother refused to allow me to buy expensive batteries for my Wii Remotes. As a result, the cheap batteries leaked. One remote now works fine (though it was a close call, and the metal bits still have a slight rust coating) but the other one is unusable.

Is there any way to fix it? And will it be worth my time? Vimescarrot (talk) 19:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

My Googling turned up a few suggestions...However, they were mostly from sources such as Yahoo Answers. So...yeah. Vimescarrot (talk) 19:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You can try cleaning the contacts where the battery goes, but if the acid got into the circuit board it's probably all over for it. One future suggestion, store electronic devices with the battery side down, so that if it leaks it doesn't leak into "the works". StuRat (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I would say in future if you were going to store the Wii remotes for a while take the batteries out and store them somewhere else. Chevymontecarlo. 06:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree with that. However, you often don't know in advance that you won't use a device for a while, so it's best to always store it battery side down, in case it leaks. StuRat (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

35.8 - 54.6 - 45.6

The above mileages per gallon (UK) are given by Suzuki as the Urban - Extra Urban, and combined mileages per gallon of the 1600cc 2 wheel drive SX4 XZ4 (manual transmission)(Petrol engine)(latest 2010 model). I have just bought that car and love it. But having now driven it for 1 month from new, and having driven it locally, and also on the open motorway for several hundreds of miles, without ever having experienced any heavy driving conditions, and having now totalled 850 miles, my combined petrol consumption is sitting at 39.4 miles per gallon. No heavy driving, no racing, only 1 or at most 2 people in the cab, no heavy luggage or shopping, and no labouring in the wrong gear. So where am I going wrong I wonder. Oh, I am well pleased to be getting nearly 40 miles per gallon in a solid 1600 cc car, but how do car manufacturers calculate their published fuel economies? I understand that my query is not in isolation amongst new car owners. Thanks. 92.30.75.57 (talk) 19:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you let the car coast whenever possible, as opposed to racing from light to light then braking ? Also, do you leave it running while not moving, such as at a drive-through restaurant window ? StuRat (talk) 20:54, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Did you drive at a constant 56 mph on the motorway (or whatever speed is the optimum for your vehicle)? Manufacturers must employ expert drivers who drive extremely carefully to achieve the published figures. I find that my fuel consumption varies with my mood because this affects my driving-style. Dbfirs 21:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

My understand is that new-cars take some time to 'bed in' in terms of their engines - perhaps it's not running as efficiently at present as it will be once it has a couple of thousand on the clock? The above about coasting makes sense - similarly you say you've done 850 miles in various conditions but how many journeys have you made? Again my understanding is that a car will get lower mpg in short-burst use (e.g. 20 x 5 miles drives to the shop) compared to in longer drives (e.g. 5 x 20 mile drives to the shop) as the engine needs to 'warm up' to run efficiently. Also what proportion of your 850 miles are in each of the 'urban' 'extra urban' bands (or what you expect?). That said i've found my car to be mostly (ball park) exactly what the manufacturer claimed it to be, and there was also a Top Gear episode where they did a big drive test with a Volkswagen Golf (or Polo?) and found it to be almost exactly what the manufacturers claimed (driving in an idealised way) but they also found it lost very little just driving it 'normally' too. ny156uk (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Certainly many cars have engine management computers that automatically run the engine in while it's new and gradually improve the MPG numbers over the first 1000 or so miles of driving. Some cars even optimise for individual driving styles (mine does - and when I drive my car with my wife's copy of the electronic key fob - I can tell that it doesn't perform the same way it does with mine). But in general, if you can keep your RPM's in the 1500 to 2500 range, you'll get the best MPG. Assuming you have a tachometer, keep an eye on it as you pull away and as you drive on motorways. Make sure your tires are inflated to the higher end of the allowed pressure range. If your car requires high grade petrol - use it - the penalties caused by the car's computer trying to avoid pinging by far exceed the cost savings in lower grade gas on cars that require it. Turn off the A/C and open the windows instead at low speeds...but at high speeds, you need to keep the windows closed even if that means you have to turn on the A/C. You'll be surprised at how gently you have to drive, and how often you have to change gears to keep it in the 'sweet spot'. Most people who think they drive gently - do not! SteveBaker (talk) 04:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Steve - I knew I could rely on you for a well-thought-through answer - as always. What you say makes eminent sense. I should have mentioned that my car does have an instantaneous consumption slide bar on the dash, and I do know from that that I have a tendency to over-rev the engine from a standing start - so already the car IS teaching me to drive more efficiently. Thanks again and thanks to everyone else who responded. 92.30.55.63 (talk) 10:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Despite descriptions like "Urban", "Extra Urban" and "combined", you need to bear in mind these are optimised figures supplied by the manufacturer under the oversight of the body that approves such things. If you follow the definition exactly, you might achieve the stated fuel consumption. But in practice, and in my experience, fuel consumption can be appreciably higher. For example, the only time I ever get anywhere near the stated fuel consumption for my car, is if I take a slow (60mph), steady drive on the motorway for at least half an hour. On the other hand, on the short <3 mile drive to the train station every morning and the similarly short drive back in the evening, my car struggles to achieve 25mpg. Astronaut (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I forget how the numbers are determined in the UK - but here in the US, the EPA drive the car at tightly controlled speeds on a carefully designed track and get the MPG figures from that. Manufacturers are not allowed to claim either more or less MPG than that. So you can't put the blame on the manufacturers. Also, not all cars get worse MPG than the EPA states. My MINI Cooper'S is rated at 37 mpg (US gallons) - but I get between 38 and 42 - with a 20,000 mile average of 39.5 mpg...and although I do quite a bit of freeway driving - I'm anything but gentle on the throttle. (I calculated that the money I'd save in gas consumption if I drove more slowly is about 1/10th what I can earn by working overtime at work for the amount of time I save by driving more agressively - hence it's not cost-effective for me to drive in a fuel-efficient manner). SteveBaker (talk) 02:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

UAV number

How many UAV does the US military operate? Googlemeister (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Our MQ-1 Predator article says "The total number of Predators in U.S. Air Force use as of March 2009 were 195 Predators and 28 Reapers". By chasing the reference (a 2009 NYT article) you find "Including drones that the Army has used to counter roadside bombs and tiny hand-launched models that can help soldiers to peer past the next hill or building, the total number of military drones has soared to 5,500, from 167 in 2001." 94.168.184.16 (talk) 22:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

And this NetworkWorld article from today says: "In 2000, DOD had fewer than 50 unmanned aircraft in its inventory; as of October 2009, this number had grown to more than 6,800." 94.168.184.16 (talk) 01:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I have it on good authority that there are warehouses out there full of Predators and Reapers - the problem being a shortage of pilots to fly them. (Which, incidentally, is one of the things that the company I work for is attempting to change. See: [13]) So the confusing numbers may be due to the disparity between the number that the US military "owns" versus the numbers it has "in service". These are remarkably cheap aircraft - built with whatever technology was at hand at the time. For 100% sure there are going to be a heck of a lot more of them out there in the future. SteveBaker (talk) 04:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Although it does seem a bit extreme to me that they could only find enough people (I appreciate more then one person may be needed for various reasons) to fly ~225 drones Nil Einne (talk) 07:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually to fly a UAV for the Air Force, you need to have the same pilot training as the guys flying the real planes (F-16s and C-17s). Googlemeister (talk) 19:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Proper material to land onto

Is there any ultrasoft material which can safely land me after a jump from any arbitrary tall building up till Burj Dubai? 213.154.8.70 (talk) 21:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Stunt men use giant airbags, but also know how to land to put all their weight on their back and don't reach terminal velocity. If you're talking about potentially landing on your head at terminal velocity, then, no, I don't think so. StuRat (talk) 21:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Mythbusters had an episode called "Dumpster Diving", in which they found that foam was quite comfy (from three stories at least). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

From this calculator (using the default settings), it seems that the terminal velocity dropping from a mere 30 ft (190 ft/s) is reasonably close to that from 10,000 ft (221 ft/s). Clarityfiend (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Clarity, I haven't checked why you got the wrong answer, but you certainly did. The formula relating velocity, distance (s), and acceleration (ignoring air resistance) after starting from rest is v² = 2as, so for a 30-foot drop you have v = sqrt(2×32.17×30) = 43.9 ft/s: far short of terminal velocity for a person falling in air.

If you're dropping at 5 times the speed, you have 25 times the kinetic energy. Dropping into something like foam might still work, but you'd need a layer quite a bit thicker. Indeed, people have fallen from damaged planes and survived impacts at or near terminal velocity -- in the case of Nick Alkemade, without major injury, even. What he landed in was trees with interlocking branches, then snow on the ground. So this demonstrates that it is possible.

By the way, the Burj Dubai was renamed when it opened; it's now the Burj Khalifa. --Anonymous, 01:38 UTC, March 30, 2010.

Why did the OP say "up till Burj Dubai"? Is that because of the building's construction, with all those setbacks making a safe jump much more difficult? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I think it just meant "any building no matter how high", like saying "any mountain up to Everest". Confusing "till" and "to" in such uses is a common error of some non-native English-speakers. --Anonymous, 04:23 UTC, March 30, 2010.

The numbers did seem a bit odd, but who was I to argue with NASA? Clarityfiend (talk) 02:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I get it now. It's a calculator for terminal velocity, which is irrelevant to short falls. In other words, it's not telling you what speed you'd reach if you jumped from 30 feet above ground; it's telling you what speed you'd reach if you started from 30 feet above sea level and fell until you stopped gaining speed. In other words, either you're jumping into a vertical mineshaft or you're flying above some place like the Dead Sea. The reason it wants the altitude is that the lower the starting altitude, the more air friction there is, so the terminal velocity is lower. --Anonymous, 05:44 UTC, March 30, 2010.

This is something that could only have been conceived by an engineer. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Who will say (arguably correctly) that it's your fault for not using it as intended. --Anon, 17:22 UTC, March 30, 2010.

I wonder if that calculator includes increasing density as you fall, since your terminal velocity will slow as you get lower. Googlemeister (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

If you can find The Worst-Case Scenario books, one of them (I think the first one) talks about how to maximize your chance of survival from a long fall. You'd have to look for it, but I think it recommends trying to land on your back, on something that will help distribute your momentum (i.e. "break your fall"), even cardboard boxes. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Imagine trying land in a target as small as a dumpster from hundreds or thousands of metres :-) Astronaut (talk) 16:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

According to Stunt Dar Robinson, the highest free stunt fall onto an airbag was 200 ft. 311 ft. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Although it is science fiction, the film Final_Fantasy_(film) has an opening scene where infantry bail out of helicopters and land in essentially large piles of goo which they've fired downwards during descent. The goo gradually slows their descent and then dissipates a short time later, releasing them. The "pile of goo" part is probably reasonable given today's technology, the timed dissipation... less so! :-) 218.25.32.210 (talk) 02:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

determination of numeric categories for cpt manual

how and who determined the numbers to be used for the current procedure terminology manuals used in physician offices and hospitals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.3.97.186 (talk) 22:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

According to our article on Current Procedural Terminology (which you'll want to read if you haven't), they're assigned by the "CPT Editorial Panel" of the American Medical Association. See also this link. —Steve Summit (talk) 00:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

March 30

Islamic problem

From the Kaaba article: "All Muslims around the world face the Kaaba during prayers, no matter where they are."

Which way would a Muslim have to face if they were at the exact antipodal point of the Kaaba? (on a boat ;) -- œ^™ 02:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I guess that's not as completely ridiculous as it looks because that point is close to some little islands in French Polynesia, but obviously then it wouldn't matter, they could look generally east or west (which is what happens anyway, it doesn't really matter if their eyes don't connect to the Kaaba in a direct line). And if they were stuck on a rickety boat that was not convenient for praying, they wouldn't have to pray anyway. Adam Bishop (talk) 02:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Is "face the Kaaba" even defined? Do they look along the line of the great circle connecting their location to Mecca, or directly through the Earth in a straight line, or doesn't it matter much as long as they're looking vaguely in the direction of Mecca and thinking Mecca-like thoughts? -- 202.142.129.66 (talk) 03:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

It's very well-defined, but there are two different methods in use: see Qibla#Two methods in determining the direction of the Qiblah. The vast majority of Muslims use the "great circle" rule, while a minority of North American Muslims use the "rhumb line" (straight line on a Mercator map) rule. --Carnildo (talk) 00:59, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Being stuck on a rickety boat in the middle of the South Pacific i'd say is indeed a cause for prayer! :) -- œ^™ 03:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Although it is full of "citation needed" tags, our Qibla might be of some help. A Google search for qibla also shows numerous websites that help determine the direction of Mecca. That's awesome! Adam Bishop (talk) 03:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Aha! From Qibla: "If someone is inside the Kaaba, or the exact opposite point on earth, they are allowed to pray facing any direction." Thanks for the link! -- œ^™ 04:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Someone's gotta ask... so, which way would a muslim astronaut face (in Earth orbit, or on another planet/moon)? Astronaut (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

See the section Qibla#The Qiblah from space in the already-cited article. Deor (talk) 12:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that'll teach me not to read the cited article first! Astronaut (talk) 12:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I love the answer: "toward Earth" 130.126.130.161 (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Yea, that would be fine from the Moon, or farther, where all parts of the Earth are in about the same direction. But from low-Earth orbit, which I suspect is where all the Muslim astronauts were, the Earth fills almost half the sky, so that's a rather large range. StuRat (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, the upside is that you can pretty much see the location of Mecca a good deal of the time (and work out roughly where it is when it's not in your sight. The downside, I guess, is that its position relative to you may change appreciably while you're praying. Deor (talk) 17:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if you're on the Moon bowing toward Earth, your angle is probably more accurate than if you're on the earth some long distance away. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The ISS & Shuttle orbit about once every 90 minutes. Looking at Salah, the prayers seem like they'd take 10 to 15 minutes - and over that much time - the correct direction to face would change quite a bit. Tricky! SteveBaker (talk) 01:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

If Cal.'s pot law passes, how/where/from whom can I buy an ounce IMMEDIATELY?

California currently has a ballot measure legalizing pot for individual users (not just for medical purposes). I think the illegality of pot is outrageous and, if the ballot measure passes, I want to buy an ounce immediately as a political statement -- I mean, literally, the very first minute I can do so. But where would I buy it? (Seven-eleven? Walgreens? Obviously not -- they'll take a while to get it in stock! But ... A hip independent liquor store? A former "medical marijuana" center?)

To avoid wasting your time, please don't point out that the law could be pre-empted by federal laws -- I know that. Please presume the question applies to a situation with no pre-emption. 63.17.82.46 (talk) 04:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I think you have the right idea with the medical marijuana suppliers. However, I bet the bill doesn't go into effect immediately, so you'd have to wait until it does. StuRat (talk) 04:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I mean "when the law goes into effect." I want to see long lines of people all over the state, lining up to buy pot the second it becomes legal ... just to make a statement against outrageous, draconian prohibitions. 63.17.40.224 (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The law proposed is similar to the law where I live. Individual possession is decriminalised, but possessing trafficable quantities is punishable. Local users buy from illegal dealers or grow small amounts at home. The justification given is that the individual users, while creating a market, are not encouraging a new market, so need not be punished. Steewi (talk) 04:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Steewi, what is your source for the assertion that pot won't be legal for SALE, as opposed to possession? Also, the word "decriminalizes" is incorrect; the correct word is "legalizes." 63.17.83.49 (talk) 07:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I take back the above question to Steewi, because I've affirmed he/she is wrong. Sale of less than an ounce per transaction will be legalized, except to minors or if forbidden by (subsequent) local "blue laws." 63.17.40.224 (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I was ambiguous - I was describing the laws where I live (ACT, Australia). Steewi (talk) 07:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

For those looking for a reference, here is an LA Times story on the initiative from a week ago; and our article Cannabis in California has some information. To the original poster's question, the medical marijuana outlets obviously have the supply; the thing to check would be whether the initiative, or the law enabling distribution of medical marijuana, specifies any penalties for a medical marijuana outlet that distributes to those without a card from a doctor. Comet Tuttle (talk) 04:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

That article says: "It would allow local governments, but not the state, to authorize the cultivation, transportation and sale of marijuana and to impose taxes to raise revenues." That means it may take some time for those laws to pass, and, until then, sale would remain illegal. StuRat (talk) 12:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The law allows for "retail sales," with no reference to medical marijuana providers as such. 63.17.40.224 (talk) 08:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Does the proposed law contain any language allowing taxation of it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. 63.17.40.224 (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I notice that the proposal defines one ounce as 28.5 grams, while it's actually 28.3495231 grams. This could lead to some bizarre legal case where somebody is caught with 28.4 grams. StuRat (talk) 12:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

If it defines the units in which the law is using, then it's not going to create anything bizarre. That's the entire point of defining the units—so from a legal perspective you don't have to argue about them. --Mr.98 (talk) 13:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

If it just used either 1 ounce or 28.5 grams as the limit, that would be true. But, since it states the limit in both terms, this causes a problem when the actual amount is between those two. StuRat (talk) 13:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

What Mr.98 is saying is that the bill would have been drafted in such a way that for legal purposes "1 ounce" is temporarily redefined to mean exactly "28.5g". Equisetum (talk) 14:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

But are they changing the definition of an ounce or a gram? And why would they use a word with a standard definition to mean something different? --Tango (talk) 16:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

StuRat and Tango, we can make an exception and can give you legal advice on your marijuana habit if you provide a link to the proposal you are discussing. Comet Tuttle (talk) 16:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

StuRat will have to do that because I'm just going on what he says. I have no idea what proposal it is. --Tango (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Here's the proposal (PDF file): [14]. StuRat (talk) 03:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The wording clearly changes the definition of an ounce for purposes of this act.

This sort of thing is done in legal language all the time -- they define a short term and then use it throughout the act or other document. Why? For convenience. Simple language is easier for everyone to read and understand, even lawyers. (Admittedly "one ounce" isn't a helluvalot shorter and simpler than "28.5 grams", so this is an unusual case.) Computer programmers will recognize the concept as that of a macro. My favorite example is a Canadian one, from our Income Tax Act:

"Taxpayer" includes any person whether or not liable to pay tax.

This allows them to say things like "If the taxpayer has... then the taxpayer must pay..." without anyone arguing that "I am refusing to pay taxes, therefore I am not a taxpayer." --Anonymous, 17:35 UTC, March 30, 2010.

Yeah, that's what I meant. They could have said "one kwazbit (28.5 grams)." It's just meant to be legally unambiguous, even if it is rounded for convenience. Rounding also probably reduces the need for exceptionally accurate scales (just within .5 gram). Anyway, the point is they were pretty explicit about their re-definition, even if it is, indeed, a re-definition of a standard, which would seem unnecessary if it is really a standard. It also immediately tells you how many significant digits they care about, which is somewhat useful, especially if you are a lawyer and have forgotten what significant digits are. ;-) --Mr.98 (talk) 00:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Probably a medical marijuana distribution center. They'll be the ones who are probably most keen on doing things the "legal"/"official" way, rather than, say, that guy on the corner of Telegraph and Bancroft. --Mr.98 (talk) 13:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow -- the Board is stumped! But thanks. Other than the obvious guess -- and yes, it's only a guess -- that medical marijuana centers are the answer, nobody has the least idea where or by whom pot would be retailed if this landmark measure passes. Business opportunities, anyone? (I'll guess again that it will be liquor stores, and add "tobacco shops" and "paraphernalia shops" to the guess. One imagines the license will be sought only by child-unfriendly venues (and granted only to them?), so 7/11 and Walgreens are out. I can't believe that all the California entrepreneurs, from so many nations, will allow only the medical marijuana centers to monopolize that crucial early foothold in a high-margin business.) Any educated guesses left? Any actually informed assertions? 63.17.67.8 (talk) 03:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Your initial Q was about where you could buy it immediately after the bill passes, so that would need to be a place which already stocks it and is currently set up to sell it legally, hence the medical marijuana center. Now, if you're asking about long term sellers, I think liquor stores would be a good choice, but I also think places like Walgreens could stock it. They'd just keep it behind the counter like they do with cigarettes. StuRat (talk) 03:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, like booze and tobacco, it will probably require a license to sell it. Exactly what the licensing procedures would be, I don't think anyone knows. So it's not clear if it's the kind of thing that will only be sold in "vice" stores (e.g. liquor stores) or your local Safeway. In the short term, I think the good bet that it'll be in existing dispensaries, since they probably already have done half of the paperwork (and nobody is going to object if they start selling it... again). By contrast, with liquor licensing, there has to be a public announcement, there are opportunities for people to complain about how much it'll junk up the neighborhood, etc. --Mr.98 (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Walgreens, Safeway, Wal-Mart, Target, Kroger supermarkets — none of these will sell marijuana, for the same reason none of them sell Playboy Magazine: they fear being tarred by the religious right as stoned corrupters of American youth.

Safeways in California sell booze and cigarettes. Who knows if they'd add marijuana to that list at some point? There are vices and there are vices. People get much more up-tight about sex than they do gambling and alcohol and cigarettes. I'm not sure it's apples-to-apples, here. --Mr.98 (talk) 13:44, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

how this insurance plan works?

LIC’s Wealth Plus is a unit linked plan that safeguards your investment from market fluctuations, so that your investments are protected in financially volatile times. This plan offers payment of Fund Value at the end of policy term, based on highest Net Asset Value (NAV) over the first 7 years of the policy, or the NAV as applicable at the end of the policy term, whichever is higher. NAV of the fund will be subject to a minimum of Rs. 10/-. The policy term is 8 years with an extended life cover for 2 years after the completion of policy term. This plan will be available for sale for a limited period. LIC India Wealth Plus --V4vijayakumar (talk) 04:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Unit-linked means that your premiums (or investment amount) pay for 'units' within a fund - the units go up (or down) and your investment is worth units x unit-price - any charges. The basic premise (based on the above wording) suggests that your Fund Value will be the 'peak' fund value at the time of the plan ending (e.g. you invest 1,000 and your fund goes up to 4,000 by year 5 but ends at 3,750 - you'll get 4,000). Life-cover wise you get cover for 10 years (2 years longer than the plan) - typically this will mean that if the policy holder dies within this time a lump-sum amount will be payable. You should seek 'financial advice' from a professional if you want to understand if this product is suitable for your needs. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 08:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like a plan to reduce risk. As such, average return must be reduced to cover the reduction in risk. StuRat (talk) 12:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I can't see anything about charges on that page. In a unit-linked plan, some of your premium pays the fund manager's charges, rather than going into fund units. I imagine charges for a fund with this "high water mark" feature could be quite high, especially given current market volatility. As StuRat says, lower risk => lower return. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Inclusive development and Inclusive finance

a. What is Inclusive Development? Its Origin, Principle, Scope of study, Objectives and Importance. b. What is Inclusive Finance? Its Origin, Principle, Scope of study, Objectives and Importance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.70.77.194 (talk) 08:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Coursework?Froggie34 (talk) 10:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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That said, try reading inclusive development and see if that is applicable to your homework (it is a little hard to tell if you just repeat your teacher's question here with no context). If it is applicable, extend the idea to finance and imagine what inclusive finance is all about. Astronaut (talk) 12:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Institution Building

a.What is Instituton Building ? Its origin, Principles (Approaches, models)? Its opportunity and threats?202.70.77.194 (talk) 08:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Coursework?Froggie34 (talk) 10:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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Organisational Effectiveness

Conpects,Principles(Approaches),Parameters(measuring rud),strategy to get organisational effectiveness?202.70.77.194 (talk) 08:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Coursework?Froggie34 (talk) 10:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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Flie control in poultry houses

Dear Sir I'm an animal nutritionist at a large feed company in South Africa and on a recent visit to Europe saw an article advertising a product that gets mixed into cattle feed and prevents flie larvae from developing. The product was from Boeringer Ingelheim. We use Larvadex in SA but results on some farms not good. I would like to get an alternative product that could be used in poultry feed (egg production)but also in dairy feeds.

Could you please advise me on alternatives? Thanks. Kontiki Boerdery (talk) 12:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Larvadex is an insecticide (the article is simply a redirect to the active chemical, Cyromazine, so I cannot easily find out more about it in Wikipedia). However, we do have a Category:Insecticides which would list some rival chemicals and the insecticide article itself looks promising too, but I'm no expert on which would be effective for your application. A better approach might be to use an internet search for insecticide manufacturers or suppliers. Using Google, I quickly found Boeringer Ingelheim's website which has their contact information for their office in Randburg. Astronaut (talk) 12:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Your searches will be better if you spell it "fly". --Sean 13:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Does U.S. occupation = U.S. empire?

Is the United States the only country in the world that has military bases in other countries? If so, where do they exist? And do other countries have military bases in the U.S.? B-Machine (talk) 15:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

No other countries have military bases in the US. The British have overseas bases—e.g. Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Crete. France has bases in Cote d'Ivoire, Djibouti, Gabon, and Senegal.[15] --Mr.98 (talk) 15:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Akrotiri and Dhekalia are in Cyprus, not Crete. 128.135.222.164 (talk) 19:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

D'oh. You're right. I get my Mediterranean-islands-that-start-with-C's mixed up sometimes. I need to just remember that Cypriot sounds like apricot, and is thus amusing! Being called a Cretan sounds like an insult. --Mr.98 (talk) 00:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Eh, better to live on Crete and be called a Cretan then to live on Lesbos. Googlemeister (talk) 18:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

To be an empire would require that we have taken control of the government and economy of the nations who let us build bases within their borders. Beach drifter (talk) 15:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Furthermore having an agreement with a sovereign nation about lease of land for a military base does not in the least imply occupation. Beach drifter (talk) 15:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Note that Guantanamo Bay Naval Base might be an exception, though. Stretching the original question a bit -- are there other countries that operate an overseas base against the wishes of the host state? — Lomn 15:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Gitmo came to mind right away, apparently we have kept possession of that land since the 1898, and the US still claims that a lease agreement from 1934 is valid. I'd guess the local population in places like Saudi Arabia might dislike US bases but the Gitmo article states that it is the only base that has no diplomatic reason. Beach drifter (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

We send the rent checks. If Castro does not want to cash them, that is his business, but that does not void the lease. Googlemeister (talk) 18:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

If the lease is invalid or no longer valid, then sending the 'rent' checks is irrelevant Nil Einne (talk) 22:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Apparently Cuba unilaterally decided that they no longer wanted to honor the lease, when the lease its self says both countries must agree to terminate it. Beach drifter (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

No, as I understand it Cuba claims the lease is either no longer valid or has always been invalid for a variety of reasons (the article seems to have information removed, you may want to go thorough the history). I have limited understanding of international law and no idea whether these reasons are legitimate or not but I don't think your view is an accurate representation of Cuba's POV. The article does or did state that the US regard's Cuba under Castro cashing the first cheque as evidence they accept it as valid even though Cuba say it was an accident (which seems plausible to me) which I find rather odd. Neither the US nor Cuba accept compulsory jurisdiction of the ICJ and it's almost definite that the US is not going to voluntary agree to take the case before the ICJ. (I suspect Cuba may be more willing, amongst other things, if they lose they're little worse off then they are now except perhaps losing a propaganda advantage, but a win will be a big gain, even if the US then proceeds to ignore the judgement.) So there's little likelihood of the issue actually being resolved in any way which will really answer the question anytime soon. Nil Einne (talk) 13:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

See List of United States military bases for the location of US bases. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The British are still hanging onto Gibraltar, right? Presumably it's for strategic reasons, as with GTMO. A number of the US bases are carryovers from WWII. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I think you'll find that Gibraltar wants to hang on to Britain - you know, self-determination and all that. --TammyMoet (talk) 16:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar is British territory and has been for hundreds of years (although Spain does state a claim to it). There are military bases there, but it isn't just a military base. It has very little in common with Guantanamo. --Tango (talk) 16:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Königsberg/Kaliningrad is an interesting example of territory Russia took from Germany during WW2 and used as a military base. They expelled all the Germans and brought in Russians to replace them. Some of the northern Japanese islands were similarly permanently taken over by Russia. StuRat (talk) 16:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Russia still has military bases in almost all of it's non-EU former soviet states. Heck even my native Ireland, a country of 4.5 million, has military bases in Chad and the Central African Republic, though small and temporary only. They are part of MINURCAT. Practically every single developed and many developing countries have a military presence in another country for some reason or another. I think it would be easier to list those who don't.--92.251.191.108 (talk) 16:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Made that a link. --Anon, 17:40 UTC, March 30, 2010.

For an example of how having a foreign base is different from occupation, consider the case of the US base in Karshi-Khanabad, Uzbekistan, which was closed after the US objected to the Andijan massacre. Had it been an occupation, the US might have refused to leave. StuRat (talk) 16:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Re Akrotiri and Dhekelia - "The election of left-wing Dimitris Christofias as Cypriot president in February 2008 has prompted concern in Britain. Christofias has pledged to remove all foreign military forces from the island as part of a future settlement of the Cyprus dispute, calling the British presence on the island a "colonial bloodstain"." Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The United States is an empire. Why? Because the U.S. has and still is invading countries, killing leaders of nations won't bow down to U.S. interests, installing puppet leaders, and building military bases. The U.S. never really left Japan and Germany because they have established interests and bases in those nations after WW2. If you think the U.S. interests will Iraq, you're an idiot. The military might leave, the the interests will remain. And no, you don't have to control other nations physically. You can control nations through political and financial manipulation through corrupt organizations like the United Nations and the IMF. B-Machine (talk) 14:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I have asked for some references to some of your more dubious assertions. Googlemeister (talk) 16:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

And I don't think we really need language like "you're an idiot" towards opinions that are really not that idiotic. There are circumstances in which the US could leave Iraq wholesale (as it did with, say, Vietnam). I think the more "idiotic" stance is one that sees US power as universally hegemonic—it has clearly played out more problematically than that. (As recent stories regarding the US's inability to deal with Karzai points out quite clearly.) --Mr.98 (talk) 16:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I note that the view that America's overseas military bases are a form of empire is covered in the article on American Empire, which also discusses that more common meanings of claims that an American Empire exists. Warofdreams talk 18:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

B-Machine -- Since you already claim to have the answer to your question, why did you ask it? The Reference Desk, and Wikipedia in general, are not soapboxes. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

In the late 19th century, when the U.S. wanted a base in Hawaii, and simply sent in the Marines to shoot the place up and run up the U.S. flag, that was widely described as "imperialism," as was the brutal suppression in the Phillipines in the 1890's and early 20th century [16]. Similarly, dictating to Cuba that they could not have independence unless they signed a perpetual lease for a base at Guantanamo has been called imperialism. Writers have spoken of an "American Empire." [17] The "Project for a New American Century" wrote in the 1990's that the U.S. should invade Iraq. This has also been called imperialism. A founder of PNAC said that the desired U.S. control of the world was not an empire because other countries knew the U.S. would leave, and that the goal was just "spreading democracy and individual rights." Others would say that the U.S. has a history of invading countries to provide them liberty and democracy. The Japanese Empire said similar things about their reasons for sending troops to other Asian countries in the 1930's/1940's, as the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Edison (talk) 19:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Tube artillery vs Rocket artillery

What are the various advantages of disadvantages of each? Do they differ in the way they are used?--92.251.191.108 (talk) 16:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

See our article rocket artillery. It even has a section thoughtfully entitled "Rocket artillery vs tube artillery". For contrast, see the Artillery article, which has a lot of historical background in it but also modern artillery discussion. Comet Tuttle (talk) 16:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll note one problem with some of the contrasts in the above article: they appear to ignore the use of guided rocket artillery. There's discussion about the relative inaccuracy of rocket artillery being one of its downsides, but the M270 MLRS notes that it can use unguided or guided projectiles. Note that tube artillery can also use guided shells such as the M712 Copperhead, so points about accuracy appear to be a wash for modern systems. — Lomn 20:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Guided rocket artillery is still less accurate than regular tube artillery. I don't know why anyone would bother with guided tube shells when they can jsut use regular ones.--92.251.191.108 (talk) 23:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Source? The MLRS can use GPS-guided projectiles. I'd like to know how regular tube artillery beats that over any significant range. — Lomn 13:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

It also depends on how you define rocket artillery. The Pershing missiles of the U.S. Army were classified as artillery systems. Pershing II had a 80 kiloton warhead, 1,100 mile range and 100 foot CEP. MLRS can stop and fire a volley in minutes, whereas a 155 howitzer can take a while to emplace, load and fire. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Below 15 km 155 mm tube artillery is hte queen of the battlefield and will easily annhilate its target. The rocket M270 weapons, even the ATACMS are not as accurate as artillery shells at 15 km.--92.251.164.176 (talk) 16:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

African wuolo dog

Found the mentions of this most interesting dog (the African wuolo dog) came across this unusual breed of dog in a novel that changed the world (Roots - Alex Haley) apparently it is an old world dog - according to my readings - this breed of dog followed an African tribe of people (the Mandinka) a tribe of west Africans - whom it has been acclaimed - that the author of roots is an ancestor to (their village is Juffureh - Gambia - off the western coast of Africa - where it has been determined - that 3 million or more Africans were kidnapped - timespan of 300 years) my research reveals that this ancient breed of dog - roamed with this tribe for centuries - even before the Mandinkan tribe relocated in this current and present geographical region of Africa...

This breed of dog (the African wuolo dog) would be considered a native of its homeland - as well the people they traveled and associated with - so that means that we are dealing with an ethnic custom - this dog has been deemed as one who was a protector and a company keeper of its master - so the story goes - even though it has been described as being a small dog - the slogan utilized to describe this little dog (defined - as a fierce fighter even unto death - but in life it was its master's shadow) in a major story line structured by the author - this small dog fit well into the plot given to it - as it fought to the finish for the sake of its master ...

There are other old world dogs that have come to the western world - not as working dogs but as adornments to the rich and the famous - glamorizing them in their endeavors to capture the limelight - but not this little dog - so what are we waiting on - let us give recognition where recognition is due - for this little dog is considered to be a part of the history of the mother land - or perhaps - where ever this breed of dog originated from - before settling on the coast of Africa - we are in dire need of additional info - essential for the accurracies of (stories and essays) knowledge and understanding gleaned by the professionals - is what the public crave to date

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I absolutely hate trying to read text in total upper-case. I may try to get interested in the subject matter - but no matter how hard I try - I eventually have to give up. Sorry.92.30.75.211 (talk) 18:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of dropping the case. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

What on Earth possesses people to write in all upper case anyway? Even all lower case is easier to read, even though to give a professional impression, one should at least capitalise the first word of every sentence.

I have made a brief reformatting of the OP's entire post, as it was pretty painful to read. Maybe the OP is dyslexic or something? I would hate to discover that the post above represents the norm of the average Internet user's typing skills. There is still more to reformat, but as I am not the OP's father, teacher, or employer, I don't see the point in reformatting it more. JIP | Talk 19:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be the norm in some online contexts. I met my partner online, but when we first started chatting, he very nearly lost me because he typed everything in ALL CAPS. I had to ask him to please stop shouting at me when we hardly knew each other and hadn't even met face to face at that stage and hadn't yet acquired enough resentment of each other to have our first fight. He apologised and immediately changed his orthographic behaviour. He said all caps was very common in the chat lines he used, so he just followed suit. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 07:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I did a Google search on wuolo dog, and didn't find any breed info, but did find this interesting passage from the book Whispers of a Secret God: [18]. My guess is that this isn't an actual breed, but just a local name for a pet/worker dog. StuRat (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I simplified the title of the question for easier reference. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you JIP and Cuddlyable for making the posting more readable. But it still appears to be an essay. Is there a question there? --ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

They appear to be asking for info about the African wuolo dog. StuRat (talk) 22:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing English is not OP's first language, judging by strange turns of phrases like "whom it has been acclaimed", "current and present geographical region of Africa", "adornments to the rich and the famous", "accurracies" and unusual use of dashes. Some parts made no sense to me. I presume this novel Roots is a fairly modern creation, so how can its author be an ancestor of an ancient African tribe ("the author of roots is an ancestor to")?

The style of the prose actually reminds me of the gibberish put into internet spam to disguise spam as legitimate posts / emails. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 23:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Roots is a 1970's book and TV miniseries about a black American who traces his ancestry back to Africa, including re-enactments of slave traders who take his ancestor from Africa. So, he means descendant, not ancestor. StuRat (talk) 00:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Wulo is the Mandinka word for "dog" - [19]. This article may be of interest, although it doesn't specifically refer to dogs in West Africa. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Rope question

I have some hemp rope, which is otherwise very good, but it's rough to the touch and tends to leave little strands of hemp off. What can I do to it to make it smoother? I was told to boil it. Is this simply a matter of putting it into a pot of boiling water and then taking it out and letting it dry, or do I have to do something more to it? Is there danger of breaking the rope or making it even rougher? JIP | Talk 19:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

You may try to apply some type of Wax to the rope, though I am not sure what type would be most affective. Of course, the effectiveness would also depend on the rope's specific use 10draftsdeep (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm convinced that this rope was designed by sadistic gym coaches to tear the skin off the hands of little kids. Note that making it softer would make it less able to "catch" on things (like itself in the case of knots). Therefore, you might want to just wear gloves when using it instead of softening it. StuRat (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I would use a small pair of scissors to cut off the offending bits. But then, I have a lot of spare time!--79.76.190.44 (talk) 21:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Another way is to wear a pair of denim jeans and to pull the rope between your clenched buttocks. This is a well known method. Of course you must not pull the rope too quickly as this may set fire to some of your most precious assets.--79.76.190.44 (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

There's an old ropework adage that says that you should never trust well behaved rope - by the time rope has worn enough to be soft and easily handled during knotwork etc. it's too worn to be relied upon for strength or "seizing"/catching qualities. So be glad your rope is rough - you can trust rough rope. Keep your well behaved rope for learning new knots. Equisetum (talk) 22:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

DO NOT BOIL YOUR ROPE!!!!! Sorry for shouting, but for Pete's sake don't do it - you'll weaken the fibres, which will then start to rot as it dries out, weakening them still further. Hemp rope is a bit rough - but the more you use it the tougher the skin on your hands will become. DuncanHill (talk) 22:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

As a Scout, I have handled lots of rope and made quite a bit. I've never boiled rope, but it certainly can't be good for it. You haven't told us what you are using it for. I have used a small torch to burn off the loose fibers on the end of a rope where it is handled, but I mostly just wear gloves. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, since you ask: it's intended for bondage. I have attended a few bondage workshops where I have had the opportunity to tie up, and be tied up by, women and other men. The last time, I brought the hemp rope along because it was longer than the other ropes I had. I was told it looked and smelled very nice but unprocessed, was far too rough to actually feel nice. JIP | Talk 22:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

"Oh, they used nylon rope, it feels so soft against my skin...almost sensual!" - Apu Nahasapeemapetilon. And who could argue with an endorsement like that? I've never used hemp rope for such a thing, but it would seem to be singularly inappropriate due to the possibility of slivers and rope burn. Use nylon, but stay away from nylons as the stretchiness increases the risk of cutting off circulation accidentally. Matt Deres (talk) 22:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't use hemp rope for bondage unless you're also into S&M. I agree with the nylon rope suggestion. StuRat (talk) 00:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I guess the obvious question is did they offer any recommendations at these classes of the rope type and treatment? If not, you may want to ask. They may have similar recommendations to Matt. If they did and recommended hemp rope, er, you may want to consider a class run by someone else? Nil Einne (talk) 12:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I fondly remember being made to climb a rope during a school Gym Circuit class at the age of 12. And as I approached the top of the rope, I experienced the most overpowering sensation at the top of my legs and couldn't move up nor down. I just hung there in paroxysms of inexplicable delight. The teacher started shouting at me to come down or get off - well - at that age - I didn't know the difference between "come down" and "get off", so I involuntarily chose the latter. Oh, Bliss. Happy schooldays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.49.60 (talk) 23:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Platte River question

Why is the Platte River and the North Platte River nearly straight while flowing through the plains of Wyoming and Nebraska? How is it possible if there is no trench or valley for it to follow? Shannon^talk _contribs 21:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Sadly neither article gives any information on their geologic history, however Braided river does give some good information on the dynamics of them both. Beach drifter (talk) 21:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Compare to Meandering river which gives a great explanation of why valleys and curves develop in rivers. Beach drifter (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

However the North Platte does not meander, it braids and if you look on an atlas, the river is so straight that you could literally put a ruler up against it and it would be perfectly parallel.Shannon^talk _contribs 03:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

See, for example the picture on this page for why Beach drifter pointed you to braided river. Then the bottom photo on that page shows some very straight channels, later answerers: are they natural? --Polysylabic Pseudonym (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The North Platte- main Platte straight run is about 600 miles long. I haven’t ever heard of an engineering project that grand to divert a river into a straighter channel, let alone in a relatively isolated agricultural region. Shannon^talk _contribs 21:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

March 31

school fundraising - selling chocolate

How much of a scam are school fundraising initiatives such as having students sell chocolate door-to-door?

Just to elaborate on the question I'll define what I mean by some terms:

scam - I realize that a $2 box of chocolate almonds is a massive ripoff for the end user, but that's not really what I'm after. I was wondering how much of the proceeds actually go to the school (or other non-profit). I realize that obviously these companies make money and are professional fundraisers but I was wondering how much of a cut of the profits actually went to the schools?

'selling chocoloate' - obviously a gross gerneralization, selling anyting door-to-door or otherwise at the behest of the school.

Thanks.flagitious 04:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flagitious (talk • contribs)

I really depends on whether you take a dim view of whatever extracurricular activities the students are raising funds for. A sports trip may not mean much to you, but it could be an eye-opening experience for kids who haven't traveled much previously. Just as one example. Vranak (talk) 05:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I take it the question here is "how much money does the school make from selling each $2 chocolate bar?". Just clarifying. I don't have an answer. --Polysylabic Pseudonym (talk) 06:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Here is the website of one such organization I'm familiar with. They say 50% of proceeds go to the school/whatever right on the homepage. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 06:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I guess whatever you buy from somebody is going to be a higher price than what the product or service is actually worth, because they've got to make a profit, whether the money goes to a charity or not. Chevymontecarlo. 09:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

50% is pretty standard for school fund raisers - some are even less. The only one we've ever found that was any better was a "dance-a-thon" that I believe gave 75% return. I'd also like to direct the questioner to WP:SOAPBOX, which is something he should get off of before asking another question. Matt Deres (talk) 13:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Although phrased a little soapboxy, I think the question is a good one. DJ Clayworth (talk) 13:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

A scam also known as a bunko, con, flim flam, gaffle, grift, hustle, scheme, swindle, bamboozle is a Confidence trick that attempts to defraud a person or group. The OP connects school fundraising with scams. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 20:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Evelyn and Evelyn

Evelyn Waugh, a man, married a woman named Evelyn Florence Margaret Winifred Gardner. They were known as "He-Evelyn" and "She-Evelyn".

Are there any other cases of a married couple, at least one of whom was notable, where both the husband's and the wife's given names were the same? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 11:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Mm...fiction, but...in the film Adam's Rib Tracey and Hepburn called each other 'Pinky'. Rhinoracer (talk) 13:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I knew a Leslie and Lesley. Neither is notable enough to deserve a Wikipedia article, though. DJ Clayworth (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

This couple is famous now, but it's because they share a name: "Kelly Hildebrandt". --Sean 13:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Only famous in some circles, and different spelling: Francis Cornford married Frances Darwin (Charles' granddaughter). --Sean 13:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and after he-Evelyn divorced she-Evelyn, he married her cousin (a twist on the usual meaning of cousin marriage), thus acquiring new parents-in-law, one new set of grandparents-in-law, and one recycled set. WRT the original question, if we include nicknames, there must be some couples both named Pat (Patrick/Patricia) or Nick (Nicholas/Nicola) etc. And then there are alternate spellings, such as Sean and Shawn. BrainyBabe (talk) 14:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Paris Hilton was engaged to Paris Latsis. Rmhermen (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Much was made of this when Taylor Lautner and Taylor Swift dated briefly. Adam Bishop (talk) 14:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Claude is common for both genders in French, as is Dominique. i'm sure there are a number of couple in which both spouses share the name. --Xuxl (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Not quite the same, but a friend of mine had a lengthy relationship with someone who had the same surname. Astronaut (talk) 14:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

So did Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Married her, in fact. --15:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Not public figures as such, but here's a couple both named Kelly Hildebrandt.[20] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Sean, meet Baseball Bugs. Baseball Bugs, meet Sean. You two have at least one thing to talk about. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow, it's like deja vu. One possibly useful question would be how to find it. I think I googled [couple same name]. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the ideas so far, folks. So the only other one that meets the criteria so far is Frances/Francis Darwin, and even that's not exact, but if we consider Francis and Frances to be the other-sex equivalents of the same name, we're on a winner. The probability is going to increase in these days of civil partnerships. There would have to be examples already of 2 ordinary Joes both named, say, David, or Rachael, entering into such a union. Showbiz people tend to marry other showbiz people, so it's surely only a matter of time before a well-known gay person marries a person with the same gven name. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 20:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

As with the Kellys, there is another couple who have achieved some minor fame by virtue of the nominal coincidence: this tells of a Chinese couple:

A Chinese man and his wife in Danjiangkou, Hubei province, have become quite famous because they have the same name and date of birth. Both are named Wang Yang and both were born on April 29, 1982, reports the China Daily.

As for civil partnerships, two Davids or Marys, yes, but less likely to share the surname, unless one of the happy couple changes it (or indeed both of them do). From another angle, it used to be common for married women to be known formally by their husbands' first name, e.g. Mrs John Smith (see Mrs. and Married and maiden names). BrainyBabe (talk) 23:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

My grandparents were Frances and Francis. Woogee (talk) 23:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

As to Jack's second reply, I've already heard of a few same-sex long-term partnerships with same first-named couples. The reaction I heard was disgustingly cute all the way through to adorably cute. In all cases, they had different surnames, so the only problem was when there was a phone call, and someone said "Hi, can I speak to X?". Steewi (talk) 08:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Here's a famous married pair: [21] --Sussexonian (talk) 21:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Train ticket prices inconsistent (UK)

The cost of a return train ticket from Ellesmere Port (England) to Winsford is three times that of a ticket to Southport even though they're approximately the same distance. Why?? --78.144.189.209 (talk) 11:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

One factor may be that Ellesmere Port to Southport is covered by a single rail company (Merseyrail) whereas to get to Winsford you have to use Merseyrail to go to Liverpool Lime Street and then catch a London Midland service . Also, although the "as the crow flies" distances may look the same, the Winsford rail trip will be longer because you have to go north into Liverpool to change trains and then come out again heading south. But expecting any sort of rational and logical structure in UK rail fares is ... ummm .... optimistic. Gandalf61 (talk) 12:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Unlike many other countries' rail systems, rail ticket pricing in the UK is not simply based on how far you travel. It doesn't even seem to be based on how much it costs for the rail company to run the service. In fact it is hard to determine any rationale in ticket pricing other than how much money can be screwed out of the customer. Why else would it sometimes cost less to get a day return ticket than a one-way ticket? Why else does it cost less for me to get a day return to an obscure suburban station, rather than just to the major London terminal that I would have to pass through on the way to the obscure suburban station? Astronaut (talk) 13:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Supermarkets do very similar things. Case in point - on Monday I bought some tinned Coconut milk the can I purchased was 30p, I found it in the International aisle in the Indian food section. The 'same' product cost 60p in the Thai area of the SAME aisle! But wait it gets better - in the rice/pasta aisle, next to the stir-in sauces it would've cost me £1.90! This pricing philosophy is pretty common and I can't remember the name for it but it's discussed in the book The economic naturalist and is all about price-sensititivity. 14:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

How can the same product have 3 different prices? Do they not use bar code scanners at supermarkets in the UK, or were the cans not the same? Googlemeister (talk) 14:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

They were technically different 'products' in such that they were different brand-names but for someone like myself that's just buying it to add to a soup it's not a product that's going to vary hugely and so the difference in price was astounding, particularly when you consider the placement of the different products (the most expensive being exactly where the 'i need this for a recipe' type person would most frequently look). 194.221.133.226 (talk) 11:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

In the US they smack another stick-on bar code over the manufacturers. Here they do that on clearance items, like food near it's expiration date, and the effect is to always lower the price. It could also be used to add a surcharge, although there would be some risk that people might peel the stickers off. But, of course, they could just go to where the lower priced cans are and pick one up there, anyway. There's an interesting psychological effect, though, that people feel the more expensive product is better, even if the cans are identical right down to the batch number. StuRat (talk) 15:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe that's price differentiation: [22]. What, no Wikipedia article ? StuRat (talk) 15:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Price discrimination. Jørgen (talk) 19:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I added a redirect to fix the red link. StuRat (talk)

Railway fares in the UK seem to follow demand pricing - that is to say, the more people who want to travel over a particular stretch of track, the higher the fare will be. Particular times of day, or days of the week, will attract higher demand and therefore higher prices. Prices are set to maximise income - so a journey to an obscure suburban station used by a few hundred people a day will attract a lower fare than a journey of similar length to a busy terminus used by millions. The situation is complicated by competition being available on some (but not all) routes, and a very complex system of regulation which does not apply to all ticket types. DuncanHill (talk) 20:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Even stranger, when I get the train from Portsmouth to Redhill, on the edge of London, I buy a ticket to East Croyden, the next stop along the line, because it costs rather less than a ticket just to Redhill. 80.47.135.51 (talk) 10:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Book contact

To who can assist me with,

I need to contact a writer who wrote the book I purchased after I got the information about from the Wikipedia. Can someone give me an idea how to contact him? Please respond.

I really appreciate your help.

Timothy Banh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.225.164 (talk) 14:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I've removed your email to prevent spam and protect your identity; and besides, no one will email you anyway (see the guidance at the top of this page). I also added a section header to separate your new question from the one above.

We have no way to track which pages you have viewed. Without telling us the book's title or author, how can we guess who you are talking about? Astronaut (talk) 14:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually the answer is going to be the same whoever it is. Authors almost never give out their personal contact information. Your best way of contacting them is to write to their publisher, whose address will be in the book. If the author also happens to be a university lecturer, for example, you could try contacting them through their university. DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Speaking in a general sense, start with the publisher. There will either be an address to the publisher in the front pages of the book, or at least you can Google the name of the publisher and get a mailing address that way. Contact them and see if they would be willing to forward a letter to the author of the book. Prominent authors (those that write a number of books) sometimes have their own Web presence, so you might want to Google the author and see if he/she has a site. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 14:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Many authors these days (both famous and less famous) also use Twitter and other social networking sites. And many writers, particularly of non-fiction and poetry, work at universities or other institutions where they can be contacted (by email or post). But Google is certainly a good start. --Normansmithy (talk) 16:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

In this day and age, searching on the internet will more often than not get you to your author's website, which usually has a "contact me" section on the web site. Truthsort (talk) 02:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

A man, a can and the ocean

This morning I watched about five minutes of the show sunrise earth ....web page is here: [23] The episode I saw was the "Playa Grande Moonset " in Playa Grande, Costa Rica. During the brief time I watched, a man could be seen walking around about waist deep in the ocean, holding what appeared to be a small can in one hand and something much smaller in the other. He seemed to be holding the unidentified item slightly in the air, out in front of him. I am not certain but there may have been a string attached to the can. Does anyone have any idea what he was doing? He was fully clothed, walking around and at times struggling to remain upright in the heavy surf. I really don't think it was any type of recreational activity. All I can think is that it must have been some type of an attempt to catch a bird or fish? I wish I would have had time to see the whole episode as I am sure I would have seen more clues. Thanks, 10draftsdeep (talk) 15:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Was the can above the waterline or right on it? --Mr.98 (talk) 20:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Completely unrelated. Beach drifter (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

To Mr.98, he was holding the can out of the water as you would hold a drink,but he was not drinking from it. (that's something I would do at the beach.) 10draftsdeep (talk) 23:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

That episode appears to be up on youtube. I'm afraid I got bored after a couple of minutes of one segment of it, but you might be prepared to do a little more research than me. No URL since I'm not sure whether it's a copyvio and hence might be a WP:LINKVIO. You know how to usse a search engine. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

At 9:50 on part 2/5 on the youtube vid, a caption appears that says that the man previously caught a 25lb snook hand casting. The item in his right hand appears to be a fishing line with a small weight and rig attached, with the rest of the line wrapped around the can. Beach drifter (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Then that must be it. Interesting fishing method. Thanks everyone. cheers, 10draftsdeep (talk) 13:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

confused, please help

what does it take some one to convince a point if he/she is hell bent to contest with all the weirdest theories to defend himself. are there any 3-4 fundamental pointers in convincing somebody if they are met we can say we are on the winning side.this is a general question with no topic attached. this sounds crazy but i hope many of you got the underlying message.asking for the fishing rod not the fish..any help —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.36.6 (talk) 15:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the only general answer is that you have to find out what it is that the other person uses in order to gauge truth. Most of us would love it if it were "raw facts" but even for very scientific people that is just part of the overall equation. Some people are persuaded by authority. Some people tend to believe the exact opposite of authority. Some people just like to be contentious for its own sake (probably because they think it makes them look smarter). Some people are persuaded most by people they are emphatic with—people they can relate to easier. Some people like hearing arguments that carefully weigh both sides of a question, while some people are more persuaded by people who take very extreme positions. I've never seen any sure-fire approach that worked for all people, all the time. There is probably a good list of what not to do that is probably pretty general (most people are probably offended by some of the same things), but for what you should do, I think that is going to vary quite a lot depending on the situation and the people. --Mr.98 (talk) 16:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

And also note that there are some people that will never change their view on certain things, regardless of facts, evidence, arguments etc... Googlemeister (talk) 16:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Or, as I like to say, you can't logic someone out of something they haven't been logicked into. --16:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

One thing I know for sure, from observing wikipedia for a few years, is that the OP won't get his answer from wikipedia! The indef list is littered with the husks of user ID's whose drivers didn't "get it", no matter how much anyone tried to explain things to them. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Go read some of the Socratic dialogs - Socrates was a master at building convincing arguments. That being said, you have to understand that you cannot reason with a belief. it takes a certain way of looking at the world for a person to recognize that their beliefs are simply beliefs; for most people in the world, beliefs have an inherent (ontological) truth-value. You can present all the arguments you want to someone who holds a belief-as-a-matter-of-truth, and all you will convince them of, in the long run, is that you're an ass (they will think that you are using some silly logical tricks to contradict what they know to be true, and they will be angry at you for trying to trick them). If you really want to be able to convince someone of some point using reason, then you first have to convince them that beliefs (in general) are not ontologically true, but are conjectures or principles that one chooses to hold. Once you've convinced them of that, then you can use reason to try to get them to choose a different set of beliefs. However, this implies that you yourself know that your own beliefs are only conjectures, and you run the risk that they will convince you that they had it right. goes with the territory... --Ludwigs2 17:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

A fairly obvious example is evolution vs. Genesis. There is no way to convince a Biblical literalist that evolution can be real, as conventionally accepted by scientists, requiring billions of years to occur. Because no matter what evidence you propose, they will have an "explanation" that makes sense to them: including, I kid you not, the possibility that Satan put dinosaur bones in the ground, in order to fool us. Once someone takes that stance, you may as well hit the road. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of using their own belief system against them. In the Creation argument, you can do as was done in Inherit the Wind: "How do you know a Biblical creation day was the same 24 hour day we have now ? Couldn't God have made it 25 hours, or a year, or a thousand years, or a million, or a billion ?". Of course, when the Bible has things created in the wrong order, then that's harder to explain. StuRat (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Because it says "one day", and God does not deceive. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but God doesn't define, either. StuRat (talk) 18:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Let's not get into a intractable discussion on a totally separate question, please... --Mr.98 (talk) 17:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not a separate question, it's a subset of the OP's question. You can't convince someone who believes they're right, that they're wrong. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course the creationist views the problem as entirely opposite—once you have decided that everything must be a naturalistic evolutionary adaptation, you look for all sorts of ways to justify that belief. I'm not claiming that both sets of beliefs rest on the same level of empirical evidence, but a scientist is going to value evidence produced by what he/she considers to be the legitimate scientific community as being more truthful than the evidence of scripture. Determining which evidentiary basis is "better" is, as far as I can tell, based almost exclusively on an inductive, not-terribly-rigorous appeal to "well, science has made us nice things, hasn't it?" If you decide a priori that the world is naturalistic, you see naturalistic explanations as necessarily better. If you decide it is supernatural, then you prefer supernatural explanations. (And before someone invokes Occam's razor, it's worth remember that it's just a heuristic, and a fuzzy one at that. It is not a logical proof.)

All of which is to say, again, that there is not one particular sure-fire way to convince all people of all things. To continue the Creationist example, I have found that most Creationists are not convinced by appeals to scientific facts. They simply are suspicious of the evidentiary status, that they have been produced in good faith, and their ultimate truth value when compared to what they consider to be lived experience with scripture. Appeals to E. Coli don't have much of an effect because they are not conditioned to regard such appeals as powerful. How one responds to that issue—earlier indoctrination into scientific ways of thinking, attempts to enhance the effect of scientific views in politics, etc.—is a separate question. --Mr.98 (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

"Appeals to E. Coli"  ? That's one weird Freudian slip. Do you by any chance have food poisoning ? :-) StuRat (talk) 18:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of the E. coli long-term evolution experiment in particular, which I see trotted out as proof of evolution on a pretty regular basis around here. --Mr.98 (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Short answer? Honesty and humility on the part of both parties. Vranak (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The OP may enjoy the article about Rhetoric, a term that Plato coined to denounce what he saw as the false wisdom of the Sophists, and to advance his own views. The art of rhetoric (and capitalising the first word of sentences) can help the OP use language to communicate more effectively. However it is crazy to expect to be given a formula that vanquishes any person with whom you disagree, regardless of the topic. You will get further by finding what you agree about. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 20:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

well, per TR - "walk softly and carry a big stick" people are ever so much more inclined to reason when you're sufficiently armed...--Ludwigs2 23:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I actually don't think it's worth bothering trying to convince anyone of anything. If they want to agree with you they will. Remember Galileo and "eppur si muove"? The might of the Roman Catholic church was thrown at him until he officially recanted - but it's obvious he didn't really believe his recantation. By the standards of the time, Galileo was wrong: but by the knowledge we nowc have, he was right. Be humble and accept you may be wrong. That often goes a long way towards convincing people you may be right! --TammyMoet (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

It occurs to me that people are most likely to change their minds about something if you can demonstrate that it affects them. Nobody ever went broke appealing to people's selfish interests. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

WPLN4080BR

I have never used a BMS before and do not no what to look for when firstly anylzing then condition a Battery. Unfotunatly i do not have a user guide either. What be be deemed a good result? with regard to the screen readings i am seeing (i have tryed finding a user manual online but to no avail) [24] with regard to readings ETC...Chromagnum (talk) 17:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

This page claims to have the manuals for the WPLN4079BR, which is probably quite similar: [25]. StuRat (talk) 17:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Nope just another site claiming to have it but doesnt thank you anywayChromagnum (talk) 05:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Why on earth do so many websites do this - advertise they have a product but only have links to other unrelated things? Anyway, I would have thought the Motorola website was the place to look for this kind of thing - but a thorough search eventually led me to their "download manual" page but it doesn't have the particular product type your are lookintg for. How about contacting Motorola's product support by phone or email? - this is the contact support page for the US (I'm sure they have a similar page for your country). Astronaut (talk) 12:59, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The Internet presents limitless opportunities for the bait and switch approach to sales. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Project Management

How does resource scheduling tie to project priority? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.231.63 (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Obviously, if a scarce resource is needed simultaneously by two projects, the higher priority project gets it first. Although there might exceptions, like if withholding the resource will only delay the high priority project by a day, but would require that the low priority project be canceled entirely. StuRat (talk)

Car doors

Why did doors with hinges at the rear go out of fashion on (most) cars? You'd be able to step out of the vehicle much more easily (and, consequently, elegantly) since you don't have to twist whilst disembarking. 94.168.184.16 (talk) 22:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

See suicide door. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 22:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Ya beat me to it. :) It's a safety issue. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, that's a shame. Thanks for the quick response! 94.168.184.16 (talk) 22:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeh, I'm despondent. I'm thinking of driving down the highway at high speed in a car with doors hinged at the back. That might take awhile to fulfill, though, as those babies are expensive. I also have to figure out how to fall out of the car, as wearing seatbelts is required by law. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Still - if you don't shut your suicide door properly - the wind rips the door off the hinges and it bounces down the highway, wiping out the car behind you. If you don't shut your normal door - the wind keeps it shut. You'd think it would be easy enough to engineer a fix for that though - a big bolt that extends from the door into the car body and a sensor that refuses to start the engine if it's not firmly closed...but I guess suicide doors just aren't fashionable enough to justify the cost. SteveBaker (talk) 01:37, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

As mentioned in the suicide door article, there are still modern cars that think it fashionable enough to engineer a solution - the Mazda RX-8, for example. --Phil Holmes (talk) 09:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The new(-ish) Mini Clubman has a single rear-hinged back passenger door, but the German designers put it on the wrong side for safe use in the UK. Alansplodge (talk) 11:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

My wife has a MINI Clubman - and the suicide door (which they call a "Club door") has some pretty beefy interlocking stuff. It's also only about 18" wide. I agree that it was kinda bad to put it on the 'wrong' side for the UK - but for most of the rest of MINI's market, it's the best side for convenience. Sadly, since they sell more cars in left-hand-drive markets and didn't want to engineer a completely different set of body parts - the UK loses out. SteveBaker (talk) 03:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Lily(care of)

I was given a lily plant(live in Michigan) wondering how to take care of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.203.162 (talk) 23:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Our article Lily has lots of pretty pictures but doesn't discuss how to take care of one. I googled how to take care of a lily and there were several useful-looking pages; the first one on ehow looked like what you want (I can't link directly due to a blacklist). Comet Tuttle (talk) 00:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

You want to make sure the lily is in a warm location that is not in the direction of a heat source. You'll want indirect sunlight, but not too much. Then, of course water it every other day and check the dryness of the soil to make sure how much water it needs. Note: I got this information from an eHow.com article. Truthsort (talk) 02:12, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

April 1

True Diagram of our Solar System

Whenever I see diagrams of our solar system, it looks as if all of the planets are aligned on an even plane (some with planets equidistant from each other). Are the planets really aligned on the same even plane or is there a true diagram which shows the true (?) of our planets? --Reticuli88 (talk) 12:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The current eight planets are roughly aligned with the invariable plane (which is itself the weighted average of the inclinations of the planets). Pluto is a notable exception, as are most dwarf planets. This image from the solar system article nicely illustrates the orbits to scale. — Lomn 12:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The orbit of Pluto (and Sedna and all that) suggests that they were objects 'captured' by the Sun, rather than created 'in situ' with the rest of the planets. 94.168.184.16 (talk) 13:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The reason for the usual diagrams you see (the big, equally spaced planets), is the vast scale of the solar system. The planets are truly tiny in comparison to their orbits, and the orbits themselves quickly spead out to be enormous distances apart. That is why, to the naked eye, the planets look very similar to the stars. The image link provided by Lomn does show the planet's orbits are not completely circular, but it doesn't show that the planets orbit in different planes. This image of the outer solar system and this image of the inner solar system, hopefully show the different orbital planes of the planets. Incidentally, I made these images using Celestia which I would highly recommend if you want to take a better look for yourself. Astronaut (talk) 13:37, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

When I used to teach 9th Grade Earth Science (which had some astronomy in it), we used to take the kids out to the football field to model the solar system. If the 8 planets + pluto are scaled to a 100 yard distance, such that the Sun is at one goalline and pluto is at the other, the scale works out so that the first four planets all lie within a few yards of the sun, jupiter comes out around the 20 yard line, saturn somewhere near the 50, uranus and neptune split the difference between the 50 and the next goal line. On this scale, the sun is about the size of a quarter dollar coin, and the only planet that would be visible at all would be jupiter, and only barely so. IIRC, on this scale Alpha Centauri would be somewhere near the moons orbit. It really gives you a sense of scale to bring it to human terms. --Jayron32 04:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

See also Solar system model#Scale models in various locations. I was surprised not to see the one in Peoria, Illinois, not mentioned in the city's article. --Anonymous, 04:17 UTC, April 2, 2010.

The orbits of the planets aren't aligned perfectly to the 'ecliptic' - but (aside from the very remote not-quite-planets) they are all pretty close. The Earth's orbit is exactly on the plane because that's how astronomers define "the plane of the ecliptic" - it's the plane of the Earth's orbit. But Mars' orbit is at an angle of 1.8 degrees to that, Venus, 3.4 degrees, Mercury 7.0 degrees, Jupiter 1.3 degrees, Saturn 2.5 degrees, Uranus 0.8 degrees. Pluto, on the other hand is off at 17 degrees to the ecliptic and Sedna is out at 11 degrees...which certainly suggests that they were formed or captured relatively recently compared to the major planets and the gravity of the other planets has not yet had time to nudge them into a more normal orbit. SteveBaker (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Pregnancy without sex

Have there ever been any cases of women who have got pregnant without actually being penetrated? I'm not talking about IVF or anything but cases where sperm has got into the vagina by means other than sex e.g fingering, has there ever been a pregnancy that resulted from that? --124.254.77.148 (talk) 13:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Bullet pregnancy! Adam Bishop (talk) 13:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Mary, the mother of Jesus. Although that was a special case. :) Actually, I think Loni Anderson said, in her autobiography, that she managed to get pregnant without actually having been penetrated. Not an immaculate conception, just an awkward one. Thankfully I've forgotten the gory details. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

How on earth one could seriously make the claim that Mary was a virgin with anything other than pure Christian faith is totally beyond me. I am reminded of the opening scene in Snatch where the fake Jewish rabbis are discussing the preposterousness of Mary's putative virginity. Vranak (talk) 14:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

What about pure muslim faith?John Z (talk) 22:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, in effect God turned Himself into a sperm cell and took care of it. I'm guessing Mary had one heavenly "Big O". That part is only implied. :) P.S. I'm not literally arguing for the literal truth of the Virgin Birth of Jesus. But many Christians do believe it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Well virgin birth has been documented in sharks, so I would not assume that it's categorically impossible in 1 BC Bethlemites either. Vranak (talk) 15:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not arguing against the truth of it either. Just reporting. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe turkey basters have been used on numerous occasions (then again, maybe that counts as IVF). Also see artificial insemination. As for fingering, the finger would need sperm on it, though whether that would actually work is beyond my knowledge. If you are worried, ask your doctor. Astronaut (talk) 14:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, especially lesbians sometimes use them for inserting donated sperm. Anytime sperm is introduced, there's a risk possibility of pregnancy. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Tangential discussion
Risk? Let's call it chance, as to not take an utterly nihilistic and antinatalist stance. Vranak (talk) 14:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC) It's either a risk or a hope, depending on whether you want it or not. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Ambiguity is not... ahh this is getting off track. Sorry everyone else. Gonna sidebar this. Vranak (talk) 14:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Some years ago, in the early days of sex education, I was taught that pregnancy can indeed result without genital penetration. For example, if a man were to ejaculate outside of, but not too far from a woman's vagina, particularly if that general area were moist with nontoxic secretions, spermatozoa could swim through the fluid on her skin and into her vagina. I don't have references, but I think that pregnancies have occurred from extravaginal ejaculations. Marco polo (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Christabel, Lady Ampthill - see John Russell, 3rd Baron Ampthill. - Kittybrewster ☎ 21:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

See snopes.com: Bullet Pregnancy, said to be false. -- Wavelength (talk) 22:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

A similar case involving a knifing, but from a more reliable source (PubMed). 94.168.184.16 (talk) 22:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Sex ed books for decades have said that pregnancy can result from the male ejaculating near, but not in, the vagina. See Non-penetrative sex and [26], for instance. If a "virgin" engages in sex play wherein the penis is rubbed around the female pubic area without penetration, to preserve "technical virginity," as in "dry humping" there is some small probability of pregnancy. Also, some females have turned up pregnant and denied ever having intercourse, and attributed the pregnancy to a swimming pool or hot tub having sperm swimming in the water. [27]. Edison (talk) 04:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

business

step by step how do you start a resell business, what do you need to set up,do you need to partner with co.'s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.51.212 (talk) 15:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

You seem to be posting from Nevada. What is it that you want to resell, and who do you think your suppliers and customers are going to be? Are you looking to buy and stock items from suppliers, and then sell the items to retailers; or are you wanting to sell directly to consumers? In any of these cases, yes, you will "partner" with companies in some way, in that you'll contact the supplier and arrange to buy stuff from them; and then you'll turn around and try to sell the stuff to someone else. You might want to go to the library or bookstore and look for the topic "starting a business". Be careful about searching on the Internet for information about resell businesses — I saw some apparent scams come up on my brief Googling. Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Scratch Off Lottery

Why do I never hear of people winning the "$5000 a week for life" scratch off lottery? What's the catch anyway? --Reticuli88 (talk) 18:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Here's one : [28]. Probably you're just not reading the papers closely enough, usually lotto winners are not headline news. They're really just local news. (After all, someone you don't know wins the lotto every week! Boring.) APL (talk) 20:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Most lotteries also offer the winners the option of privacy since people who come into a lot of money like that are often beset with people pleading for money from them - which can make life miserable. SteveBaker (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe in your country. Here the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation web site says at http://www.olg.ca/lotteries/faq.jsp#7 that:

The publishing of winners is important in demonstrating the integrity of our lottery games. OLG reserves the right to publish the name, address and photograph of any winner. This is necessary for us to demonstrate that people do win. Winner information is released to the news media and may be used in OLG 's advertising. For every prizewinner there are a number of other players who did not win but have a legitimate desire to know that someone won.

which seems a good idea to me, and I expect it helped the news media uncover (a couple of years ago) the fact that some ticket sellers were scamming winners who brought their tickets back to the seller to be checked. I think the same rule applies in other provinces. --Anonymous, 04:30 UTC, April 2, 2010.

Walking in Stockholm

In Stockholm, Sweden, is it possible to walk all the way from the Viking Line terminal to the central railway station by keeping on pedestrian routes the entire time, never once going along a motor vehicle road or a bicycle route? (Crossing motor vehicle roads or bicycle routes at a point is allowed.) I've tried this twice, but both times got lost (as I remember it) at the point where I'm supposed to leave Gamla Stan and go back to the mainland, north of Gamla Stan. I simply haven't been able to find a pedestrian route, so what I've done is walk a couple of hundred meters along a bicycle route until I'm on the mainland again, and can find a pedestrian route. I'm sorry I can't remember the exact locations, as I've only tried this twice. JIP | Talk 19:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sure you can. Go to Mynttorget, cross the bridge (a walking only path), cross Helgeandsholmen (that is, go the way that goes through the Riksdag), cross the the second bridge and then you're on Drottninggatan. There's three other bridges, and they all have sidewalks, but if want a walking-only path, that's it. Here's a link to Google Maps, showing were you cross. 83.250.239.198 (talk) 22:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

(btw, the bridges you cross are Stallbron and Riksbron) 83.250.239.198 (talk) 22:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

April 2

Travel from USA to India [not by air]

I'm curious whether there is any way to travel from the USA to India without needing fly.

It doesn't matter whether it requires a combination of modes (sea/bus/train/etc.) just so long as there is no air travel.

And how would one go about making arrangements to do so? Pine (talk) 06:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick Google search with "cruise Los angeles to india" got me to this site. It's a very pricey cruise, but I'm sure you can find other ones. Probably a travel agent would be the easiest way to arrange this. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 07:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

bank draft payment legal dispute

i have negotiated 2 pay orders originally issued by karur vysya bank on 19 mar 2009.drafts issued by kvb on 18MAR 2009. when presented for payment IN clearing on 20 mar 2009 they were returned unpaid saying that" 1.dd cancelled 2.fraudulently obtained 3.police investigation in progress" 1. as we possess the original drafts and negotiated ,can kvb say they have cancelled the drafts. 2.fraud not take place at kvb 3.poloce investigation is nothing to do with original drafts issued by them.

kvb confirmed in writing that they have issued the above drafts. can they countermand the drafts issued by them with out any request from either purchaser or payee.

on enquiry it revealed that a alleged forged cheque paid at hdfc mumbai and funds transfered to kvb thereafter kvb issued drafts by debiting to their customer account. when this come to light on 19 mar 2009 they received fax from mumbai police to freeze their customer account. by the time amount debited to customer account and issued dds in favour of our customer and we have negotriated the drafts on 19 mar 2009. subsequently they have received fax from mumbai police.

in the circumstances kindly advise me the legal recourse available against kvb under various sections of law particularly NI Act kindly help