User talk:Cunard/Archive 6: Difference between revisions

BTW, you cited UP#GAMES. Note that it does allow games where Wikipedians who also do serious edits can play. It's the ones where users without or with very little other edits that are 'outlawed'. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content (WP:UP#GAMES) refers to "Writings, information, discussions, and activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals", particularly "[g]ames, roleplaying sessions, secret pages, and other things pertaining to "entertainment" rather than "writing an encyclopedia", particularly if they involve people who are not active participants in the project." This does not condone Wikipedians with serious edits who use Wikipedia as a web host or as a game. Why should established editors who violate policy should be treated differently from less serious editors who violate policy? I believe that all editors are equal and should be treated equally when they violate policy. Note that I when I refer to "all editors", I am excluding administrators because they are, of course, immune from the policies and guidelines which we inferior editors must follow. They can wield the block, delete, and protect buttons willy nilly while we inferiors cower in fear. ;) Cunard (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Dear Cunard, I am afraid I must disagree. While Wikipedia is not a place for MySpacey edits, however, as Jimbo puts it, Anything that builds a spirit of friendliness and co-operation and helps people get to know each other as human beings seems to me a good thing. If hidden pages can help Wikipedians know each other better, and, as stated in the DoF, keep Wikipedians here, then it is a good thing because often the editors stay to do good edits. However, if a hidden page game concerns only editors that have little or no other edits, it means that they are using Wikipedia SOLELY as a MySpace tool, which is of course unacceptable. As sockpuppetry is unacceptable in Wikipedia, and causes confusion even when not abused, setting up multiple accounts for the sake of hiding pages in 2 userspaces must not be allowed. even if the editor has made 100000000000 good-faith edits, and is an admin, crat, and everything else. Kayau Voting IS evil 00:53, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

The encyclopedia would be bettered if editors were to build a spirit of collaboration in the mainspace instead of handing out barnstars and finding secret pages in the userspace. I'm afraid that I don't hold double standards when it comes to inappropriate use of the userspace. Experienced editors and novice ones should be held accountable to the same standards. We will have to agree to disagree. Cunard (talk) 06:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Dear Cunard, please note the difference between novice editors and WikiPuppies. Novice editors are editors that do make serious contributions to Wikipedia; WikiPuppies don't. BTW, is that why you've never made a userpage? (Just curious.) Kayau Voting IS evil 09:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Please clarify what you mean by "is that why you've never made a userpage?" (mine emphasized) Cunard (talk) 16:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

That would be off-topic, never mind. But what I want to stress is, novice editors should be allowed to make hidden pages as long as it does not mean eating into too much of their time. However, WikiPuppies do nothing else, so theirs should not be encouraged and should be deleted. Kayau Voting IS evil 03:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I understand your viewpoint but am still of the opinion that secret pages are unacceptable for an enyclopedia. I ask again what you meant by the question above. Cunard (talk) 04:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Ha! I thought so!

See this? I thought I had the pages deleted before, and I was right! How'd they get back, though? Did I recreate them? I didn't think I did... ALI ^{nom nom} 20:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I do not know if you recreated them because as a non-admin, I cannot view deleted edits. You'll have to ask an admin to find out. Thank you for requesting deletion of the page. Best, Cunard (talk) 05:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry - Fulton–Taylor House, Fulton-Taylor House:

I didn't mean to be insulting or condescending. I just meant to let you know that I had removed the speedy. When I saw the redirect to a page that existed, I thought I should check whether the topic was notable, and since it was, I created a stub at the redirect's target – not that easily, since I don't know much about Oregon. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

While I thank you for notifying me of the declined speedy, I don't think the message telling me to review the speedy criteria was very appropriate. The speedy tag was correct in the first place and only became inaccurate after your creation. Perhaps you could have left a personalized message explaining that the redirect no longer applied due to your creation of Fulton–Taylor House. I, as well as other editors, are more responsive to personalized messages than templates which contain words/sentences that are inapplicable to the circumstance. This is just a little advice that you probably already know.

Thank you for creating the article, though. Most would have deleted the redirect instead of expanding Wikipedia's knowledge. I am frequently impressed by the work you do rescuing articles from CAT:CSD and WP:AFD. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

An example where a personalized message was more helpful than a template is at User talk:74.178.230.17. Cunard (talk) 06:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Your Sockpuppeting Case Against Me

I apologize in advance for anyhting I might say to anger you. I have just served a two week suspension from Wikipedia that YOU caused. I helped you find the proper source for Miranda Uhl's article and I thought that was all behind us. The next thing I know, I'm banned form Wikipedia for being a sockpuppet. I then try to defend myself and I am called a liar and totally disregarded. Eventually even my right to defend myself is taken away from me and I am forced to sit and wait out my suspension with my mouth gagged! This all stems from you. I am not here to insult you or to scream at you but I would like to ask a favor of you. Next time you see what might be a sockpuppeting case, ask those involved for an explanation before putting them at the mercy of the fascist administrators that I have met over the past two weeks. Thank you.--Johncoracing48 (talk) 18:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I advise you not to continue editing in this fashion. More name-calling and comparing admins to Nazis will result in an indefinite block. Cunard (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Middlesex

Hello, Cunard, I'm afraid I don't have time for another read-through/peer review. I can quickly say, however, that you need to add initial publication info to the "Background and publication" section. "Middlesex was published on October 7, 2002 by..." etc. Hope this helps, and sorry I can't do more at the moment, María (habla conmigo) 12:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

That's all right. The help you have provided in your two read-throughs is very valuable. I'll add the initial publication info and put Middlesex through a GA review to get more feedback before I take it to FAC. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 16:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

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