Talk:Miguel Induráin

Did he ever test positive for Salbutamol?

i deleted the following line from the article: "In 1994, he was once tested positive with Salbutamol." because i would consider this a major claim and it came from an ip address only. (not a registered user) if someone else can confirm this, we can put it back into the article.uri budnik 15:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I believe he actually did, but I think he had a doctor's note for it (pre-dated though?) Evito 07:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the nomination wasMoved -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 04:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

No accent

His name is Miguel Indurain and not Miguel Induráin. I'm to lazy to make the move myself. Švitrigaila 12:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

This is not so clear to me. Actually, according to the rules of accents in Spanish (see the current rules by the Spanish Real Academia), "Induráin" should be spelt with an accent. This may not have always been the case because I remember older rules used to have exceptions for names of Catalan or Basque origin with unusual endings (like, say, "Milans" or "Bernabeu"). I don't know if names like "Induráin" or "Beguiristáin" were ever exempted from being accented by the Real Academia rules, but certainly the current rules no longer contemplate any exceptions. "Induráin" is stressed in the last syllable, which is "rain" (because of the diphthong), and it ends with an "n", so an accent on top of the "a" is required. There is, however, a valid rationale for spelling it without an accent, which is the fact that this surname is of Basque origin, and if we follow the spelling rules of Basque, then it should have no accent. This is a tricky question, but I would say that we should treat his surname as Spanish since his official name, and the one he apparently uses himself, is "Miguel" in Spanish, rather than "Mikel" (some Basque newspapers used to refer to him as "Mikel Indurain", using his Basque name, though). But unless anyone can prove that he prefers to be called by his Basque name, I think this article should be kept as "Miguel Induráin". For those who are interested, this interesting article in Spanish discusses the treatment of Catalan, Basque and Galician names in the Spanish media, and mentions the Induráin/Indurain controversy. --AngelRiesgo 22:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Yesterday I brought up this issue at the Spanish Wikipedia's Village Pump, after realising that the article there uses the spelling without an accent. In the discussion that followed, it was pointed out that his name is spelt as "Miguel Indurain Larraya" in his personal website. That seems to prove that he prefers to spell it like that, so I have to change my position on this. If he spells it "Indurain", then we should respect that. --AngelRiesgo 10:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

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Ángel

His personal website does not have the Ángel name. Are you sure? --Error 02:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Miguelón?

Someone replaced "Big Mig" with "Miguelón" - I'm not familiar with the latter nickname... GregorB 21:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It was used in Spain. It was so popular that a cranium found in Atapuerca around that time was nicknamed Miguelón. --Error 01:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Is his nickname not "Flaxplutzine"?

End of the first paragraph: "...which earned him the nickname 'Miguelón'". This is a meaningless sentence. "Miguelón" has no meaning in English, so there is no connection between this group of letters and the discussion of his size. ...or do Basque/Spanish cyclists get more letters according to their height? And it is significant that this horse of a man has earned an eight letter name? Give me a hint. It is Spanish or Basque? (Looks Spanish). I give up, please clarify. Gronky 12:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC) It's Spanish. The "ón" attached to "Miguel" is an augmentative suffix that has colloquial and affectionate connotations. Roughly translated it would be "Big Miguel" in english. Gnipahellir 10:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

VO2 max

This page claims it is 88 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VO2_max#VO2_max_Levels claims it is 96 for Miguel Indurain I hope someone who is interested but more knowledgable than me, can reconcile this. Cheers! Phil —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.84.17 (talk) 23:59, March 3, 2007

It's 88. I think VO2max gets it wrong, I've never seen the 96 figure for Indurain. Will mark it with {{fact}}. GregorB 23:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

smile

For us who remember him, his smile while riding was very famous, posters of him with the peculiar grimace being sold. I think it's worth mentioning in the article. --User:Euyyn

A photo would be even better, if anyone has one which Wikipedia could use! Severo^TC 11:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Needs an additional section on his training technique

A useful section would be one about his training technique which allowed to achieve a resting heart rate of 29 beats per minute. Winning500 22:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Delgado comment

The article says: "In 1992 fans reported overhearing him say "Mi bano es su bano" after big stages concluded especially to fellow countryman and domestique extraordinaire, Pedro Delgado" Is P.D., winner of the TdF ja twice winner of the Veulta, really considered a "domestique extraordinaire" in some circles? 82.181.150.151 20:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Perico Delgado is (with good reason) the most popular Spanish Cyclist in the last 30 years, second only to Indurain. 128.195.56.102 23:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

"Mi bano es su bano"

That sentence has no meaning at all in Spanish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.128.4.223 (talk) 18:08, July 24, 2007

I'm guessing it should say baño, although it's quite odd... I'm changing it. Pablodiazgutierrez 23:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

for those of us who dont speak spanish what does it mean? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.29.114.103 (talk) 05:16, July 27, 2007

It means "My bath is your bath", why would he say that after a race? I still don't get it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.128.4.223 ([[User talk:{[[User:89.128.4.223}|89.128.4.223}]] ([[User talk:89.128.4.223}|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/89.128.4.223}|contribs]] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/whois/gateway.py?lookup=true&ip=89.128.4.223}

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In Spanish he stated, "My bathroom is your bathroom". I presume he meant it as a sign of friendship to other riders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.76.80.122 (talk) 21:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

5 Tours Wins and Almost Nothing About Them

I know we have individual articles about each tour but come on, at least add a little meat about his tour wins or time trial expertise. 69.150.59.88 (talk) 02:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Everyone is free to add this. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 09:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Criticism

This article is terrible. As it stands, it is nothing more than a hagiography. It contains only unfettered praise and not an ounce of criticism. What's more, most of the praise seems to be entirely unsourced and nothing more than the writer's opinion. This is not encyclopaedic, it is a fanzine. BearAllen (talk) 10:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

You're free to modify the article as you see fit, and remove or tag any inaccurate 'praise' or add any valid criticism. Bear in mind, however, it stands to reason that if you aren't knowledgeable enough on the subject matter to provide sourced criticism, you probably lack the credentials to evaluate the merit of the information in the article. Just a thought. --71.234.195.17 (talk) 23:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

To the first point - no, I do not feel qualified to write an entire article about Indurain, nor do I have the inclination. Also, it is not a question of removing individual points. In my opinion, the entire article lacks balance.

To the second point, I do not agree. I know enough about Indurain, and professional cycling in his era, to be aware a significant amount of criticism of him exists, none of which is even touched upon. Even if I had no knowledge of him, or any cyclist, I would only have to read the article to note the reverential tone and lack of sourcing.