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Evidence presented by Jeffro77

Alastair makes false claims about other editors

• "I'm glad you agree that the second sentence serves well as a summary..."[1] (in response to User:B Fizz: "The second sentence is good, but the concept is covered well in the second intro paragraph.")
• "It's nice to hear you take my point about the arbitrary nature of the "millenial" designation"[2] (I stated that leaving out "millenial" may simplify the lead, but said nothing of its alleged "arbitrary nature" or similar)
• "It's odd to hear someone being confidently critical of logic they admit they can't follow" (no such admission)
• "You rightly understand that Restorationist is questionable" (I actually stated that "'Restorationist' is also a specific term with a well-defined meaning") same diff for last 2 statements)

Alastair misrepresents Wikipedia policies

• "Sally's already used 2 of your reverts, I'm afraid I'll need to issue 3RR warnings to all three of you if..."[3]
• "policy demands we weasle it"[4]).

Alastair employs logical fallacies

• "JWs themselves distance themselves from broad Christianity"[5] [the JWs' theological opinion that other 'Christian' religions are not 'true' Christians is not relevant to a neutral definition of Christian])

Alastair falsely claims consensus

Alastair claims that consensus exists or is near, then presents his preferred wording that has no consensus.[6][7]

Alastair claims he is never wrong

[8]

Evidence presented by User:Maunus

Alastair misrepresents opinions of opponents and sources and presents is own POV as a compromise

[9] Here Alastair appears to agree with Jeffro's previous point but in his summary he rather turns Jeffro's actual viewpoint into a strawman holding his own viewpoint which is not difficult for him to agree with.

[10] Here Alastair summarises the quotes of several secular scholars as saying the opposite of what they actually say. Then he present the same position that he has held all along as "a compromise"

[11] HEre Alastair misrepresents the opinions of secular scholars whom he claims do not include JW under the term Christian. The only secular source of those that we have reviewed on the talk page that does include explicitly include JW under the term "Christian" was EA Livingstone who implicitly includes them as he has included an entry about them in the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church where also the Anglican Church is not explicitly described as Christians. ·Maunus·ƛ· 06:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

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