Talk:Blu-ray

Wavelength - Disk space

If infrared has a wavelength of 650 nm and violet has 405 (60% shorter) then how would that permit 21 more gigabytes to fit? Shouldn't the number be 7.5? What am I miscalculating?--Spectatorbot13 (talk) 13:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

You are calculating incorrectly. First, take 4-inch ruler that is long enough to hold four one-inch-long one-dimensional objects. How many half-inch-long one-dimensional objects can it hold? Now take 4-inch by 4-inch sheet of paper large enough to hold 16 one-inch-square two-dimensional objects. How many half-inch-square two-dimensional objects can it hold? (There are other changes as well, so the above is just a starting point for your calculations, but you do need to start with two-dimensional density calculations, not one-dimensional.) 72.251.90.229 (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

To put it more succinctly -- you're calculating by length, not area. A smaller laser spot makes possible not only more information along the track, but more-closely spaced tracks. The areal density of information varies roughly as the inverse square of the wavelength. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 23:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

8-bit or 10-bit color depth

Is Blu-Ray video 8-bit or 10-bit in color depth? I could not find this info anywhere. DORC (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

A Blu-ray disc can store 10-bit color depth but it depends of the panel of your TV and your blu-ray player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.42.31 (talk) 12:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

What is the 12-bit per component so-called "deep colour" that's offered by many (even budget priced) Blu-Ray players around at the moment? I doubt that the information exists on the disc as the highest quality HD recording format I know of (HDCAM SR) only records with 10-bit precision and most of the lesser formats only record with 8-bits of precision, and that includes most of the file-based, as well as tape-based, recording systems. I suspect therefore that it's a bit of a con, rather like the 20-bit and 24-bit DACs used by some CD player manufacturers. MegaPedant (talk) 09:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Attacks on the DRM

"The first known attack relied on the trusted client problem. In addition, decryption keys have been extracted from a weakly protected player (WinDVD)". Please explain what an attack relying on the "trusted client problem" is, and what's the difference is between that and extracting keys from a PC software (WinDVD). Unless somebody can add more info I suggest we change this. Has any attack relied on something else than extracting single device keys from software or hardware players? -- LM, 6 June 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.57.46 (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The program DumpHD, along with some supporting software is known to cirumvent versions of the BD+ protection. Read main article for more (citated) information! ("BD+" section)

Removed some un-cited marketing propaganda found in the article

From the BluRay article

". This technology enables content and service providers to offer value-added interactive features that can be initiated and managed by consumers via their disc player remote control directly from their living rooms "

Needless to say, this is un-necessary and un-cited marketing propganda (propably inserted there by the marketing dept of the BluRay Disc assosiation. Especially the "via their disc player remote control directly from their living rooms" part, is pure marketing language, full of misleading content (you don't have to have a remote control or to be in your living room, you can do it from a PC in your bedroom), and generally, it is not of encyclopedic content in any way. Improved with facts (someone to add a citation, too). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.130.121.48 (talk) 07:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, added some improvements to the "BD+" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.130.121.48 (talk) 07:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, and thanks for your contributions, I agree with your position on the marketing lingo in the article. However, you made about 10 consecutive edits in one day. I don't mean to be a dick, but Wikipedia policy discourages more than 3 edits per day so try to make up your mind on what you want to edit in the article and do it all in one edit, then if you forget something you edit again. Making too many minor edits is considered counterproductive and a waste of bandwidth.--Spectatorbot13 (talk) 14:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of marketing propaganda, whats about the "PLAYSTATION®3", with registered trademark, all caps and everything, doesn't look too neutral to me. 62.107.158.115 (talk) 23:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

You are right. Obviously, these guys at the BluRay Disc Association are suffering from the "EA syndrome". EA Syndrome: The act of "improving" encyclopedic articles referring to your company, by removing the unfavorable parts, inserting marketing language full of ambiguous sentences and shoving trademarked buzzwords all over the place.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.130.121.48 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 7 July 2009

Wrong URL

When searching bluray disc in google or even in wikipedia's built in search this link is returned as the best result: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc Also this very article's link points to this link. Sadly this link only shows a 404 not found error. Is there a way to make it redirect to this article?

The the correct URL seems to be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluray_Disc

--200.115.64.250 (talk) 16:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Region code map errors / inconsistencies

I changed the world-map image for the "Region Codes" section from "Blu-ray regions with key.png" to "Blu-ray regions without key.png". The "...with key.png" image shows incorrect information for some countries according to the reference map on the Blu-ray Disc Association web site (BDA FAQ link).

The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) web site provides only very general information on which countries "belong" to which BD region codes. However, the BDA does provide a low-resolution, color coded map of the world showing the three regions - A, B and C - and from this map one can identify the correct BD region for most countries.

A (previously used?) wikipedia map already exists in wiki commons that is more correct / more consistent with the BDA web site information so I have changed the article to link to that more correct image ("Blu-ray regions without key.png").

The areas of "Blu-ray regions with key.png" that were inconsistent with the BDA map include:

• Papua New Guinea: BDA map indicates Papua New Guinea is Region 'B' like its neighbor Australia, not Region 'A' like its neighbor Indonesia
• French Guiana: The BDA map indicates French Guiana is Region 'B', unlike its South American neighbors which are all Region 'A'
• Belarus: The BDA map indicates Belarus is Region 'B' not 'C'
• Ukraine: The BDA map indicates Ukraine is Region 'B' not 'C'

There appears to be one small error remaining in the new map but I don't have the graphic editing tools necessary to fix it:

• Although not unambiguously marked on the BDA map, the small, non-contiguous part of Russia (the part 'sandwiched' between Lithuania and Poland) presumably is Region 'C' (Russia), not 'B' (Rest-of-Europe)

This issue has been discussed before (Talk:Blu-ray_Disc/Archive_9#Inconsistency_in_region_code_map) and there appear to be a lot of incorrect maps "out there". Of course it is possible that the BDA map itself is incorrect - but unless someone can find a more reliable / authoritative source for region-code information, this BDA map seems to be the best reference available. Pugetbill (talk) 15:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

My apologies - either I was using an old link or the BDA has updated their map. The region code map at www.blu-raydisc.com/en/Technical/FAQs/Blu-rayDiscforVideo.html is not (no longer?) as I described above. I will revert the article map to the previous graphic.

In trying to verify the accuracy of the BDA map, I have had no luck finding alternate sources / references. There seems to be very little written about what the correct region code is for some "region-border" countries like Belarus, Ukraine, Papua New Guinea, etc. But since the BDA map is all we have, I will assume it is correct. Pugetbill (talk) 16:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

According to BD spec (Region B: - Europe) Belarus and Ukraine are Region B. I think last update on this map which included them to C wasn't correct. --DmitriyR (talk) 14:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

How to rip Blu-ray ？

iToolSoft Blu-Ray DVD Ripper is an easy-to-use Blu-Ray and general DVD ripping software. It can split Blu-Ray and general DVD to various video and audio formats with amazing sound and high image quality, like video AVI, ASF, MPEG, MP4, WMV, MKV, MOV, FLV, SWF, RM, 3GP, etc., and audio AAC, AC3, MP3, OGG, WAV, WMA, M4A, RA, Aiff, and AU. Important，it can support showing all chapters, and, users can split their DVD or Blu-ray movies by chapters. This is a key point that it isdifferent from other Blu-ray Ripper.

Step-by-step Guide to Teach You How to convert Blu-ray Discs 1. Launch the iToolSoft Blu-Ray to WMV Converter program. 2. Click "Profile" combobox to choose an output format 3. Click " File " button to add Blu-Ray and general DVD. 4. Click " Start " button to start converting. 5. A moment later, you'll get your satisfactory conversion.

This is an encyclopedia not a guide to pirating commercial recorded material. Also: the above comment is not a discussion of the article which is what this discussion page ism provided for. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 14:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The problem is advertising not pirating.205.250.255.227 (talk) 20:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Reception

There is nothing about the reception of Blu-ray, either by the public or the industry. I have read an article by an independent film publisher slating the costs of working with the format and I have also read complaints by the public about the performance of the players and their concerns about DRM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.188.161.10 (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

See Blu-ray_Disc#End_of_the_format_war_and_future_prospects. Cochonfou (talk) 13:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Technical Specification

The section under the above heading says that Bluray supports up to 25fps progressive at 1920x1080; the cited pdf only specifies up to 24fps and consensus elsewhere is that 24fps progressive is the correct limit. Is there any vaguely official source showing that 1080p25 is supported? http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Blu-ray_Disc&action=historysubmit&diff=327667159&oldid=327354568 is the change, any reason this hasn't been reverted? TNC (talk) 23:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Mandatory vs. optional codec support

I understand how all players have to support a minimum subset of the available codecs and I understand that all discs have to use one of the mandatory codecs for its primary audio tracks. However, the article doesn't explain how a low cost player that lacks support for, say, DTS-HD Master Audio manages to output analogue sound from its stereo audio phono connectors when playing a disc that only purports to have a DTS-HD Master Audio sound track. Is there a backup audio track in one of the mandatory formats that's hidden away and not selectable by the user or advertised on the packaging? MegaPedant (talk) 09:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Cartridges?

Next to footnote 15, the article talks about cartridges no longer being necessary. What cartridges is the article refering to? I'm assuming that in the early days the discs had to be protected from scratches using some sort of cartridge but the article doesn't make that clear. Jimindc (talk) 07:13, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Cost of blank discs

Why is Blu-ray media so expensive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.52.87 (talk) 18:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Because the technology required to manufacture blank bluray's is expensive and relatively new. CD-Rs, DVD-Rs. DVD-R DLs were expensive too during the first years of their existence —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.130.121.48 (talk) 18:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

DVD+/-R DLs are still expensive. The average cost of a two-pack is around $15, sometimes $20. Cheapest might be $10. Even then, even if DVD+/-R DL is 15 discs for $20, it's still a rip off, as I've been paying $20 from 2003 to 2006 for 100 DVD+/-Rs from CompUSA, then afterwards, I was paying $30 for 100 DVD+/-Rs from Wal-Mart, Walgreens, Office Depot, Office Max, etc. Now, after tax, it's about $40 for 100 DVD+/-Rs. Compare that to DVD+/-R DL or Blu-Ray, and the cost stinks. I do remember in 1997-1998, CD-Rs were $25 per disc. Then in 1999, Wal-Mart and Dysan started selling CD-Rs 10 for $8, then 10 for $5. I notice now, CD-Rs of all brands go on sale in the 100 packs, usually for around $25. Until these other media get to these prices, usage will remain niche. Sierraoffline444 (talk) 10:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Storage Capacity in the Infobox

In the infobox it says for storage capacity:

25 to 50 GB (single layer)
50 to 100 GB (dual layer)
(1 TB to 10 PB) Future 2010 afterwards

My qualms:

• "Future 2010 afterwards" does not seem grammatically correct. Is it trying to say "Late 2010" maybe?
• "1 TB to 10 PB" seems very high to me. I know technology progresses very fast, but 10 petabytes? This year? That is a lot of data. I mean how is 10 PB or 10000 TB supposed to fit on a volume so small? Perhaps it meant 10 TB instead? I not changing because I'm truly iffy on the issue, so I'm looking for clarification to make the edit.

-- Melab±1 ☎ 18:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The limit for DVDs was 2 layers, but with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray companies are experimenting with having several layers. It would be good if there were a citation, but my assumption is that they would reach 10PB using extra layers. It doesn't seem likely that so many layers would be economically viable though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.202.243 (talk) 12:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

It looks like multi-layer is now more feasible than before. (BDXL announce from BDA via businesswire) http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100403005024&newsLang=en --205.233.8.190 (talk) 15:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

MakeMKV

I was wondering what's about that one. It claims to circumvent any known BD+ and AACS protection. Due my lack of BluRay drives, I am unable to test it, but it's OpenSource [1] and runs on Windows, Linux and Mac. [2] --Mewtu (talk) 03:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

blue ray storage

I have just connected my samsung blue ray to the internet for the first time. It down loaded all new data required. So then I tried the BD live and it has said that there isnt enough storage and i should try again when I have more storage. how, what and where do I get more storage? Mark B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.55.107 (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Java support

Does this mean that we could see Java games played on Blu-Ray players? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.251.147 (talk) 05:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Bias for or against + vandalism on article

I've discovered there's a certain bias for or against different companies who worked with this invention (and for that matter, the same is true for the CD & DVD articles here on Wikipedia), particularly Philips and Sony, who where the major contributors to both the CD, DVD and now the Blu-Ray, remain relatively under appreciated in the articles, and thus implying that instead of European and Asian companies, US and other American companies played the main roles in the inventions.

Point 2: There appears to be a great deal of vandalism going on on these articles and topics, this suggesting the need for at least a simi or partial lock on the articles. DaveFlash (talk) 22:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion: replace "Blu-ray Disc" with "BD" in the article

Why don't we make it very clear at the beginnig of the article what the official acronym is and that henceforth this will be used throughout the article?

Meaning we would replace every instance of "Blu-ray Disc" and "Blu-ray Discs" with "BD" and "BDs" – except where the written out form is necessary (like, when is explained what the acronym stands for, in official product names and such) –, in the same way "CD" / "CDs" and "DVD" / "DVDs" is used instead of the cumbersome "Compact Disc" / "Compact Discs" and "Digital Versatile Disc" / "Digital Versatile Discs", respectively?

That would save A LOT of space, would make the article more readable and do away with or at least clear up some of the confusion with regards to wrong forms such as "Blu-rays" und "BD discs".

What do you all think? – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 16:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)