Talk:Hostel (2005 film)

Cleanup

Hmm, I think someone should clean up the Cast section- I've not enough battery life or patience to do so now though. Deltro 02:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's quite legal to have the cast c/p'ed like that onto the page. I'm not going to change it because I'm not sure, but if anyone is, go for it. Jjjsixsix 19:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

• • cast info is most definitely fair use 69.142.21.24 07:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The film trailer claims EMTs were called at one of the advance screenings due to reactions from the audience. Is this true?

Violence

I think there should be something about truly violent and gross this film is. Its not just torture, its much more intense than that. Elleohelle

The film was not exceptionally violent. Compared to movies like saw, there was nothing spectacular about it.

If the film has been criticized (or lauded) for being exceptionally violent, then notable such criticism could be included. I actually find this more likely than the film being criticized for being an unrealistic portrayal of Slovakia. Demi ^T/_C 21:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Demi, it is surely unlikely that people who have never been to Slovakia and haven't ever heard about Slovakia will criticize that. The producers emphasize the location of the story in the movie as well as in the advertisements. They could set the story into an unspecified country and declare that it is pure fantasy. They didn't do that. The violence in the movie is related to the criticism I mentioned: the movie describes Slovakia as a dangerous country. It's not only the torture, also violence of the Slovak police in the movie is opposite to the reality.

Ruthenian 17:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Quentin Tarantino

if he didn't direct it, what excatly did he do? just give it money? or did he contribute with some ideas? could this be explained?--Jaysscholar 03:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

He put his name on it so more people would buy tickets. It's called clever marketing. JackO'Lantern 08:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

He produced the film. --AWF

Link to Snuff?

Why is there a link to snuff films on this page? The plot description doesn't mention anything relating to snuff in the movie, and the film itself certainly isn't snuff. mtz206 18:29, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

The fact that it depicts violent and torturous murder makes it very closely related to snuff films, except snuff films are supposed to be real while this movie is just fiction. - Kharpert

By your logic, any film that includes torture or murder is related to snuff, which simply can't be the case. The "except" clause in your statement makes this inherently not related to snuff. If this movie was about snuff films (see 8mm (film), then this link would be appropriate. Otherwise, the link should be removed. mtz206 15:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen the movie, but the link to snuff seems appropriate. Not because the movie itself features violence, but because one of the themes seems to be people getting their rocks off from torturing and killing other people- which is the idea behind snuff films. SchnappM 09:50, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

"people getting their rocks off from torturing and killing" is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a film to be considered snuff. unless part of the plot in Hostel is that these murders are filmed for entertainment purposes, there is little direct relationship to snuff mtz206 13:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, there's very little reason to include "Snuff film" as a "See Also". If it's been notably compared to snuff films, then the comparison should be in the article (perhaps under "Criticism") and "snuff film" wikilinked. Same if snuff films are somehow part of the movie's subject matter. Just letting it float there seems like some kind of snide way of criticizing the movie for its violence without actually demonstrating such criticism. Demi ^T/_C 21:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Other themes

I thought that the theme (rather intentional or not) of the rich trodding over the poor was much more interesting than people paying for their lust.

Success?

The section talking about a likely sequel call the movie a big success. Is it? There isn't any data on what it cost or what it made, and it's already fallen to #5, below Narnia which has been out a heck of a lot longer. I think if it's going to be called a success, it needs to be sourced at least a little bit with a cost/proft comparison. -RannXXV 04:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Sources?

I found no source for this: "I made this movie because I want people to think about... where society is going in terms of exploitation and pornography," director Eli Roth explained in an interview. "It's no accident that these guys are American, that they are very sexist in their attitude towards women, and that the things that they feel about the girls in Eastern Europe is very much based in American fantasies and stereotypes. Everything comes back to bite them in the ass though; they definitely pay for it." Elsan 22:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Similarly, there are no sources for the "Criticism" section--it needs some. Demi ^T/_C 21:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Demi, could you please specify what kind of sources? There are many sources. The criticism was published in Slovak and Czech newspapers, TV stations, internet journals, blogs, forums and so on... All sources I have seen are in Slovak or Czech language. I can also provide likns to the crime statistics mentioned in the "Criticism" section. Ruthenian 18:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm unsure exactly what the point of these statistics are, in the article's context. While it might be a valid criticism to say it portrays the place as more dangerous than it is, the way it's phrased now makes it more of a "It's better than the US!" argument, which is neither encyclopedic nor relevant to this article. -RannXXV 19:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Critical Reaction

Since the article currently holds information on debateable controversy, I thought that a section pertaining to the above would be appropriate. For example, while the film received mixed reaction, it managed to win a majority of positive reviews on rottentomatoes.com. Trivia may also be included, regarding cameos, urban legend details, and the like. --AWF