Talk:The Pandorica Opens

River Song / Cybermen

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 – Not until there's a reliable source. ╟─TreasuryTag►Lord Speaker─╢ 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Can we not confirm her appearance in this now? Sepmix (talk) 14:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source? Edgepedia (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Touche. Sepmix (talk) 14:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, surely we can confirm the appearance of the Cybermen in the finale given that they've been in the trailer and obviously aren't in Vincent and the Doctor, or The Lodger? I would include the Daleks, the Judoon and the Hoix but we can't technically say they're in it, even though we know they are. 86.169.125.120 (talk) 18:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Could be in The Big Bang, but not Pandorica Opens. magnius (talk) 18:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The only reason I'd say they're in The Pandorica Opens is because of the torches, which Moffat said in DWM were a feature of Episode Twelve and Amy confronts a Cyberman with one. 86.169.125.120 (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what "you'd say" unless there is a reliable source. ╟─TreasuryTag►Lord Speaker─╢ 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

How about: "It's been on the telly, as a part of the trailer for this episode, transmitted at the end of the previous episode"?84.176.97.72 (talk) 00:39, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

References in the trailer of the previous episode

In the trailer for this story, transmitted at the end of The_Lodger_(Doctor_Who), River Song mentions that "Your world has visitors. Daleks, Doctor. [pause; sounds like a cut] And Cyberships. Sontarans. Slitheen, Trelonian [?]. Nestene, Drahvins, [fading]"

That's a bit weird, given that the Drahvins were from the planet Drahva in Galaxy 4 and the story of the same name, Galaxy_4, makes no mention of them visiting a world other than their world of origin, except for the expedition to the unnamed planet of the said story. Given the audible pause between "Daleks, Doctor" and "And Cyberships" and a different background sound for both pieces, I'd wager a guess that the second part of this has been added from a different part of this episode or maybe even from the last episode, The Big Bang.

Given furthermore that at least the head-part of a Cyberman is seen in the trailer, I'd think it's okay within wikipedia's rules to count the Cybermen as "appearing" in the episode, albeit maybe not as fully functional beings.

Furthermore, I can't claim to have heard the species/race name "Trelonian" in the series before, even though I pride myself in being quite a freaky completist - but then again, that could be from some non-telly-stuff. (Audio adventures or somesuch.)

84.176.67.1 (talk) 01:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

A full Cyberman appears in this trailer, however: [1] 13 seconds in  BRIANTIST  (talk) 01:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

"Oops..." hadn't watched that one yet...84.176.67.1 (talk) 01:07, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I heard Chelonians instead of Trelonians... Hektor (talk) 08:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Can all involved please remember WP:FORUM. ╟─TreasuryTag►person of reasonable firmness─╢ 08:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

If there really is mentioning of Chelonians, this has some important implications with regard to the canonicity of non-televised stories and, along with the mentioning of the Drahvins, relevance to a potential improvement of the article's sub-section titled "Continuity". For someone who's just about layout and structural rules, this will look like some nerding about and rumour-mongering and chatting, but quite frankly, I believe it has quite a lot of relevance to the article-in-the-making. Time will tell, maybe I'm totally wrong about this. I could start an argument as to how to create an encyclopedia and how not to, but I'll only quote the passage that just got refered to: "In addition, bear in mind that talk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article, [...]" Well, this IS talk, it is NOT about a mere general discussion about the subject of the article, but some preliminary thoughts on eventual improvement of the contents of the subsection "Continuity". Thus it is perfectly within the project's rules. 84.176.84.40 (talk) 23:05, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Returning cast

This article seems a little open to interpretation [2], don't think it's refering to Van Gogh returning, but possibly River, Churchill and Liz 10. magnius (talk) 12:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a blog putting together sources. No good. ╟─TreasuryTag►Not-content─╢ 07:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Rory

• In the hypothetical case Rory is in this episode, do we plan to reopen the debate about whether or not he is a companion for this episode ??? Hektor (talk) 08:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

  It will obviously depend on the circumstances. ╟─TreasuryTag►hemicycle─╢ 08:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

ITV TV listing...

Just looked at the TV listings on ITV.com for today. Not sure if you guys want to consider this a credible source or whatever but it lists:

With Matt Smith, Karen Gillan, Alex Kingston, Tony Curran, and Bill Paterson.

So, that's the Doctor, Amy Pond, River Song, Vincent Van Gogh (Vincent and the Doctor) and Professor Bracewell (Victory of the Daleks).

79.78.145.118 (talk) 13:33, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

At this stage I'd have thought that we may as well wait until after the episode airs, only 4 ish hours, can't get much more reliable than the episode itself. That said, I've no obection to adding them now if we really must. magnius (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

*shrug* Just thought I'd mention it as I checked what time it was on later :) 79.78.145.118 (talk) 14:01, 19 June 2010 (UTC)