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Ma'ale HaShalom

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It's just a street. No indication of notability. Source given is a passing reference to its existence. PROD removed by original editor. PamD (talk) 21:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I just don't see how the road that half surrounds Mount Zion is "just a street." Even just by its location indicates historic significance. --Oakshade (talk) 07:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Yes it is a street but a very important one indeed. It forms the southern boundary to the Old City of Jerusalem, with two of the eight open gates to the Old City located along this street. Altogether, there is a lot of history here. This picture shows how busy of a street it is trafficwise. Linda Olive (talk) 23:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So, any sources to support these claims of importance? A photo showing that a street is busy is entirely irrelevant, there are literally millions of busy streets on this earth. A map proving the street exists and is where the article says it is is nice for verification but we need some sources that actually discuss the street itself and explain it's significance. Proper sourcing is the problem in 95% of all deletion debates and the main reason articles are deleted. Simply insisting that it's notable without providing any evidence doesn't cut it. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Do keep in mind that "Ma'ale HaShalom" is only one variation of the Latin character spelling of this modern Hebrew name. According to several sources, the pre-Israel Arab name was "Ain el-loza" and this again is only a Latin variation spelling of the Arabic name. A street so central in a city that dates back literally thousands of years likely had multiple names with many spellings in multiple languages. This makes 21st century web research difficult.--Oakshade (talk) 03:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When I was in college in Jerusalem more than 20 years ago, I took some courses on the history of Jerusalem, one of that described the history of many of the city's streets. I do not have the textbook that had all the information I would have wanted to provide. I do remember this street having a different name. I had forgotten what it was. Thank you Oakshade for reminding me. Agreed, there are surely lots of sources out there, but not with either of these spellings with English letters. Linda Olive (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 00:52, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This is an extremely important street in the history of an extremely important city. Raisescale (talk) 20:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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+'''Strong Keep''' This is an extremely important street in the history of an extremely important city. [[User:Raisescale|Raisescale]] ([[User talk:Raisescale|talk]]) 20:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)