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No mention persistent allegations. http://books.google.ca/books?id=t6Y3D4sZ8gQC&pg=PA239#v=onepage&q&f=false

it [alleged sexual misconduct] has torn apart... the New York Zen Center.

Later the relationship between them soured and Eido into trouble amid allegations of sexual misconduct and financial mismanagement. [http:books.google.ca/books?id=NDvYAAAAMAAJ&q=%22into+trouble+amid+allegations+of+sexual%22&dq=%22into+trouble+amid+allegations+of+sexual%22&hl=en&ei=vus0TKfqG4T58Aax_vXwAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA] how Bob Aitken knew what kind of person he had been," apparently alluding to his time in Hawaii in 1964 as a young unmarried monk when his dalliances with women had caused a rift with Aitken.

In 1975 and 1979, as well as later in 1982, the Zen Studies Society had been rocked by rumors of Eido Roshi's alleged sexual liaisons with female students .... these allegations resulted in an exodus of students, including six monks.

But in 1979 there was another eruption of allegations that Eido Roshi had abused his responsibility and authority by sexually exploiting female students. This was accompanied by another exodus, which included a young couple who sought refuge at Sparks Street before it was legally open.

In the fall of 1982 another round of accusations, allegations, denials, and subsequent departures was documented in a series of letters sent by individual students to the membership of the Zen Studies Society and in letters that were exchanged between Eido Roshi and some of his senior students. Eido Roshi denied the accusations.

Nor were the allegations limited to sexual misconduct. They spread to financial mismanagement and incorrect behavior towards Soen Roshi.

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-==Statement of the dispute==
-{{User13|Michael H 34}} is a civil and polite editor who, over the past three years, has shown ongoing evidence of [[WP:ADVOCACY|advocacy]]  and [[WP:DISRUPT|disruptive]] editing on articles related to fathers' and men's rights according to multiple editors. His tendentious arguing and lack of respect for consensus is a cause of frustration, particularly when this involves the rejection of scholarly sources and promotion of lower quality ones. Considerable feedback has been given over the years with little significant change in editing behaviour.
+No mention persistent allegations.
-=== Desired outcome  ===
+http://books.google.ca/books?id=t6Y3D4sZ8gQC&pg=PA239#v=onepage&q&f=false
-That [[User:Michael H 34]] will cease trying to use Wikipedia as a means of promoting his views and embrace neutral and consensus-based editing.  This will involve seeking out and respecting high quality sources for editing even when they contradict his views, avoiding repetitious talkpage postings and edit warring, and more rapidly accepting that he does not have consensus even when he feels very strongly about the righteousness of his position.
+it  [alleged sexual misconduct] has torn apart... the New York Zen Center.
-=== Description ===
-[[User:Michael H 34]]'s WP career began [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Michael+H+34&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1in January 2007], hours after [[User:Davidrusher]] issued an off-wiki [http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/28/call-for-short-papers-from-men%E2%80%99s-rights-leaders-save-men%E2%80%99s-rights-in-wikipedia/ call for leaders of men's rights] to "eras[e] the years of misconceptions about the movement" on Wikipedia.  Since then his edits have consistently, but civilly, promoted a fathers' rights perspective, often in contravention of WP policies and guidelines. He has admitted his focus and goal on talkpages [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=167844414&oldid=167838849];[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=168300274&oldid=168282952] Overall, 80% of his main space edits have been in the area of fathers' rights and related articles, with 67% article and 82% talkpage edits dedicated to two articles [[Fathers' rights movement]] and [[Parental alienation syndrome]].[http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/topedits/index.php?name=Michael+H+34&namespace=0].  There would be nothing wrong with this singular focus if it were not for the POV nature of his edits, recognized by multiple editors.  Michael H 34's editing style has many of the features of [[WP:DISRUPTIVE|disruptive editors]], and those classified by some as [[WP:CPUSH|civil point of view pushers]].  In Michael's case, he seeks to give undue weight to poor quality, partisan, sources and to exclude mainstream academic research. He engages in short-term and long-term [[WP:EW|edit warring]] and has been blocked three times. He has difficulty accepting that [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] is against his preferred edits.  He argues tendentiously on talkpages, making the same points and asking the same questions repeatedly [[WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT|without regard to responses given]]; alternatively, when objecting to an edit he runs through the entire gamut of possible policies and guidelines to argue against inclusion of scholarly material.
+Later the relationship between them soured and Eido into trouble amid allegations of sexual misconduct and financial mismanagement.
-Over the years, efforts have been made use dispute resolution boards and methods, including [[WP:RFC|requests for comment]], [[WP:3O|third opinions]], [[WP:RSN|reliable sources]] and [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view boards]].  Some of these have been initiated by Michael H 34, but none of them elicited support for his preferred edits.  At times Michael has recognized and learned from other editors, but very frequently he has continued to argue and even edit war about the specific points on which dispute resolution has been sought and given, even returning to the topic, with the same arguments, months later.  As an example, for almost a year now, Michael has been seeking to have the [[Fathers' Rights Movement]] article emphasize that many women participate in their movement, which is a FR talking point.  Much of the evidence below relates to Michael's long term efforts to remove scholarly sources contrary to the FR POV, and include very marginal sources that conform to it.
+[http:books.google.ca/books?id=NDvYAAAAMAAJ&q=%22into+trouble+amid+allegations+of+sexual%22&dq=%22into+trouble+amid+allegations+of+sexual%22&hl=en&ei=vus0TKfqG4T58Aax_vXwAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA]
+how Bob Aitken knew what kind of person he had been," apparently alluding to his time in Hawaii in 1964 as a young unmarried monk when his dalliances with women had caused a rift with Aitken.
+In 1975 and 1979, as well as later in 1982, the Zen Studies Society had been rocked by rumors of Eido Roshi's alleged sexual liaisons with female students .... these allegations resulted in an exodus of students, including  six monks.
-=== Evidence of disputed behavior ===
-Note: The evidence listed attempts a concise version, with a limited number of diffs given. Since Michael H 34 took a 4 month wikibreak from August to December 2009, some older edits are presented as evidence that this is a longstanding and longterm problem.  More extensive diff collection available on request.
+But in 1979 there was another eruption of allegations that Eido Roshi had abused his responsibility and authority by sexually exploiting female students.  This was accompanied by another exodus, which included a young couple who sought refuge at Sparks Street before it was legally open.
-====Advocacy editing====
-:# Deletions of well-sourced material and/or inconvenient citations contrary to FR tenets [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=302064245][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=300606773][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=298367239][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=300606773&oldid=299905387][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=296768503][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation&diff=prev&oldid=294170661]
-:#Objects to scholarly sources with various arguments (in edit summaries at times). e.g.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=294580738 it's illogical]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=272540306 undue weight]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=269780957 wrong/misinterpreting]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=299785938 original research][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=302064245 poorly sourced][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=299785319 original research]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=296759523 not notable]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=295977174 sourced from a phrase]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=300689202  an opinion]; [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=299506901 an opinion][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=300604219 an opinion].
-:#Uses the term "critics" or includes unnecessary attribution to marginalize mainstream opinion.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=288100407][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=288104245][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=288106000][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=288107481][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=288107644][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=288122652]
-:#Seeks to include poor quality sources (opinion columns, website/postings) that are supportive of a FR rights viewpoint.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&action=historysubmit&diff=333106668&oldid=333105490][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=333120373&oldid=333119944][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=333274080&oldid=333273687]
-:# Edits identified as failing NPOV by multiple editors [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMichael_H_34&diff=248246160&oldid=247637560][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANo-fault_divorce&diff=228490387&oldid=222552171][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFathers%27_rights_movement&diff=248357520&oldid=248321178][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292936243&oldid=292935621][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Sockpuppet_investigations/JaniceMT&oldid=291732295]
+In the fall of 1982 another round of accusations, allegations, denials, and subsequent departures was documented in a series of letters sent by individual students to the membership of the Zen Studies Society and in letters that were exchanged between Eido Roshi and some of his senior students.   Eido Roshi denied the accusations.
-====Original research/verifiability/inaccurate sourcing citation====
-:#Addition of original research/unverifiable material [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&action=historysubmit&diff=333120494&oldid=333116697], and again [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&action=historysubmit&diff=333130936&oldid=333121479] despite the problematic nature of the edit (and his source) being pointed out.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFathers%27_rights_movement&action=historysubmit&diff=333127416&oldid=330094928].
-:#Inaccurate quoting and citation corrected here. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=333277682&oldid=333274370];[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=336095352][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=336087212] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=308503967]
+Nor were the allegations limited to sexual misconduct.  They spread to financial mismanagement and incorrect behavior towards Soen Roshi.
-====Edit warring====
-:# Three blocks for edit warring [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AMichael_H_34]
-:# Slow edit warring: example 1 [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=336094237][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=337199254][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=337464286]; example 2[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=291186886&oldid=291185253][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=291400034&oldid=291282180][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=291664225&oldid=291403568][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292446039&oldid=291825881][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292665126&oldid=292627014][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292886250&oldid=292676223][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292922341&oldid=292909447]; example 3 [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27%20rights%20movement&diff=prev&oldid=303338516 ][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27%20rights%20movement&diff=prev&oldid=303360253][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27%20rights%20movement&diff=prev&oldid=303369969][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27%20rights%20movement&diff=prev&oldid=303551089] [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27%20rights%20movement&diff=prev&oldid=303637931 ]
-====Rejects community input and consensus building====
-:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=248561088 3rd Opinion] but a few months later [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=272544097&oldid=272540306][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=273063929&oldid=272606565]
-:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_36#Fathers.27_rights_movement RSN] but [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=335160707&oldid=335159777][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=334836381&oldid=334834854][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=298558783&oldid=298466286][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=303360253&oldid=303359169]
-:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome#RFC_2 Two][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome#RFC_3 RFCs] but returns after 4 months to the same arguments.[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=333115206][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=333116757]
-:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_22&oldid=254178658#Newspaper_article_not_available_on_the_web  RSN] but [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slp1/Archive_4#Verifiability]
-:#Responds to [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMichael_H_34&diff=248246160&oldid=247637560a NPOV warning] thus [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SirFozzie&diff=prev&oldid=248254303]
-:# Talkpages of [[Talk:Parental alienation syndrome]]; [[Talk:Parental alienation]]; [[Talk:Fathers' rights movement]] and their archives
-====Repetitious argumentation====
-Some inevitably tedious examples.
-:#"The phenomena of PAS is universally accepted"[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=281535139&oldid=281533856][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=285481070&oldid=285477636][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=285543776&oldid=285484809][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=288297993&oldid=288297060][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=288317319&oldid=288316072][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=288495237&oldid=288489031][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=288504978&oldid=288503060][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=288739941&oldid=288696450][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289469113&oldid=289253422][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289884829&oldid=289884165][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289894930&oldid=289888175][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289896061&oldid=289895520][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289901788&oldid=289896968][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=291664986&oldid=291663329][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292452079&oldid=292449366][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292675965&oldid=292668856][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=294575766&oldid=294575496][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=295175376&oldid=295175007][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=295472538&oldid=295451560][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=295594613&oldid=295588405]
-:#PAS/PAD do not differ[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289477575&oldid=289477310][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289537318&oldid=289483224][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289670553&oldid=289667861][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289764840&oldid=289764117][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=289884097&oldid=289863780][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=290018803&oldid=289983304][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292921981&oldid=292906424][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292923069&oldid=292921981][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=292943705&oldid=292942244]
-:#Scholarly research about demographics is a matter of opinion. [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=334836381][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=335159777][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=335901446][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=prev&oldid=335903064]
-=== Applicable policies and guidelines ===
-{list the policies and guidelines that apply to the disputed conduct}
-:#[[WP:CONSENSUS]]
-:#[[WP:NPOV]]
-:#[[WP:EDITWAR]]
-:#[[WP:DISRUPTIVE]]
-:#[[WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT]]
-:#[[WP:OR]]
-:#[[WP:V]]
-=== Evidence of trying to resolve the dispute ===
-:# Recent edits by administrators and editors addressing Michael H 34's overall editing [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_H_34&diff=337237059&oldid=335816913][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_H_34&diff=337472606&oldid=337468141][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=337209651&oldid=336724686][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_H_34&diff=337479341&oldid=337479284][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fathers%27_rights_movement&diff=335036049&oldid=335003480][http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Parental_alienation_syndrome&diff=311890981&oldid=310673881]
-:# Postings to RSN, NPOV, 30, and RFCs as noted elsewhere.
-:# [[Talk:Parental alienation syndrome]]
-:# [[Talk:Parental alienation]]
-:# [[Talk:Fathers' rights movement]]
-:# [[Talk:Fathers' rights movement/Archive 3]]
-:# [[Talk:Parental alienation syndrome/Archive 4]]
-=== Evidence of failing to resolve the dispute ===
-Talkpages and as above in "Rejects community input and consensus building" section.  Also...
-:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMichael_H_34&action=historysubmit&diff=337479284&oldid=337472606]
-:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_H_34&diff=337508550&oldid=337495172]
-:#[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Michael_H_34&diff=335816913&oldid=335202133]