Talk:Smallville season 5

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About major spoiling during Season 5

Hey everybody! I've been off for a while, but now I'm back to update the recent Smallville episodes. To my surprise, lots of Smallville fans are working now on the page, which I'm glad of since that was the objective when I rescued this article back in september 2005.

Every Smallville fan knows that the upcoming episodes will be crucial for the entire story, and so, spoilers at this point would be fatal and may ruin the whole plot for everyone interested in this Wikipedia article.

So, just in order to keep the story with its fully emotions to every single Smallville fan, I've suggested that we DO NOT publish the summary of upcoming episodes until they have already aired.

Eventually, the deleted summaries will return since we have a backup, that work won't be lost.

--Charlie144 12:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

• • That's ridiculous. The summaries are official summaries provided by TV Guide from Kryptonsite.com. That is what the summary will be in TV guide, it isn't like it will change. They should not be removed. Also, it won't spoil the episode because the summaries do not contain vital information that would spoil it.... i.e. Reckoning doesn't say who is going to be killed and anyone that watches the show knows that someone will be killed in the that episode. So, your basis for deleting the summaries is wrong, since they don't include spoilers and are official summaries issued by TV Guide.
    • Also, if you wait till after the episode to post what it was about then people will not be able to distinguish what could be a potential spoiler, because they will want to put every aspect of the episode in the description....see the previous episodes that have already aired for an example.

--Bignole 10:22 AM, 16 January 2006

• • • Well I DO have a point. Even the official summaries provided by the WB contain spoilers, for example, for last season's finale I was really disappointed to watch a clip from the WB itself where Clark was shown in the snow, it totally took the emotion out of the episode, the ending was totally obvious then...and the latest summaries provided by the WB have been like that. The reason I posted this was because of one of those summaries where it said "Finally Clark tell his secret to..." C'mon!! Isn't it a little bit disappointing reading that? It completely removes the surprise factor from the show. After the episode has aired, then it will be appropiate to post a summary, and to make it relevant, clear and with no further detail (since it's a summary not a complete episode recap) we should post only the WB's official summary. --Charlie144 15:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • • Well I don't look at the WB, or watch it other than for Smallville, but the snow scene was apparent anyway cause you already know what the crystals were going to do, it wasn't like a big secret. Anyway...if you saw "Clark is going to reveal" then you should delete that line under "spoiler", but if you do that then you have to delete the entire page cause if you go back to the previous episodes they are all contain spoilers where people have put in every detail of the show. The opening of this page says "Template:Spoilers" so that does not give you the right to remove verified information, and yes it is verified I even provided a link at the bottom, that you deem as spoilers when the page itself already warns you about spoilers. If you don't want to read them then please bypass them till the episodes air, and then you can correct any mistakes made. Following the rules of Wiki, since the information was valid and sound, your removal of said information because it could be spoilers for people editing the page could be considered vandalism to this page. Bignole

• • • • • Bignole, please don't make a big deal about this threatening me with the classic "vandalism" catchphrase. It seems you're angry because I deleted your work. I already said that the content will be back until the episodes have aired and I'm doing this for everybody who wants to cooperate with the article, not just for me. If one wants to find out what happens on the next episode they go to a website and find out. The official deal with the spoiler thing ends, at least for us who are constantly maintining this article, after the episode has aired and this will save us a lot of trouble. Imagine Kryptonsite adds summaries for the next 10 episodes, big deal huh? You wouldn't want to read it because it is spoiler thousand years ahead. The spoiler warning is for everyone that reads the article, not for us who are editing. End of the story. Please continue with the excellent work you have been doing, dont' be mad and don't stay offensive, you don't have to, since we're just discussing a topic in good terms for this article. Let me tell you that I'm glad you're cooperating with the Smallville article. It was a hard time being alone here, trying to save it, but now with your help, things have gone better. Well see ya man! --Charlie144 18:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • I am hardly mad. I was annoyed at first that you deleted it. You really didn't have a right, you aren't the only editor of this page. The content should be there now. This whole "spoiler warning" that doesn't affect the people editing the page is nonsense. That warning is for everyone, including editors. Why? Since anyone with a computer can edit Wikipedia that makes everyone potential editors. Since you say that editors should are not bound by the "spoiler warning" then it should make no difference if the summary is up there ahead of time. Why should someone have to go to a different site to read about an episode description that can be found right here. I didn't see anyone else complaining about the descriptions, just you. No one else deleted them when they were put up there, and if you were so on top of things why didn't you delete the ones that I put there for the previous episodes? They were up there before the episodes aired. I think that you are upset that someone else is editing this page with more vigor than you are and you feel threatened. Now please, place those descriptions back on the page, cause they should only be deleted if you can find valid, sound reason why they should not be up there; and "I'm looking out for others" is not a sound reason.

p.s. I enjoy a good argument, that's why I keep this going :), and thanks for the praise on the work that I have done. You have done a good job yourself, I just do not agree with your dictation on this particular issue and it should not be up to one person to decide if something like this should not be up on the page. If you are looking out for others than let them speak, they have a voice. Bignole

• • • • LOL the last line was good man. Just to make things clear I'm not the owner of this article and I don't feel threatened by anybody. As I said before, I will put the summaries back...after the airings (the important thing is that the info won't be lost OK? I know there was an effort there and I'm glad). It does nothing to the article if they're not here by now and eventually they will be here don't worry. The objective of Wikipedia is to record things that happened or are happening, not future happenings. Keep with the good vibe. Cya! --Charlie144 19:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • • Thanks, I try. See, I don't care that they will be back there later. If I had written them personally then I wouldn't care if they went back up there later, because I would know that what went back up there would be all me. But, since they were TV Guide descriptions then they shouldn't have to wait, they aren't going to be there after the episodes air, so why should these wait? I think that these should be there now, and when the episodes air you can go in and add to them. They are rather bare for a description, because they have no information other than what the episode will be about. You considering "Two officers take Lex and Lana hostage until Lex tells them where the ship is" a spoiler, well that's a personal opinion that should not be imposed on the page unless someone of authority (i.e. site moderator) says that it is a good choice. I feel that they aren't spoilers, and since they are accurate, official descriptions that they meet wikipedia's regulations and standards on information for the site. You said the object is to record things that have happened or are happening, well these episodes are happening and they will not change, so that makes them good information. Simply because they won't air till certain times does not mean anything. If that is the case then the pages for X3 and Superman Returns should be removed cause those movies have not been released yet. But, since they contain information that can be verified they are allowed to stay, same as should be here. Bignole

• • • • • covenant...OK Lockdown passes the exam, man I thought the ship was gone forever :S ...And we're closer and closer to find out who will be gone from Smallville forever...creepy --Charlie144 19:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • • LOL..you just don't want to admit that I might just be right on this one, do you? Well,.............ooohh...it's so tempting to put something in there that would be a big spoiler for you..lol. I won't, i'm not mean...entirely..lol. Read all my descriptions, they all pass the exam, none reveal anything that would be a spoiler for you.

• • • • • I'm just happy there are finally Talk articles in Smallville LOL. Bignole, do you anything else apart from Smallville?

• • • Yeah, just click my contributions and look for yourself. I created several pages including ones in A Nightmare on Elm Street (the sequels, the original was already done), Subspecies, the term "Punishment", Seinfeld and various actors. What about you?

p.s. Put the rest back up there. You have already read them so they aren't spoilers to you anymore..lol. Plus if they contain something that you think is a spoiler you can take that out. I checked your talk page, apparently this isn't the first time you have deleted stuff that should not have been deleted.

• I was fightin' to save a piece of this article, it is so annoying when they put those Afd's without reason, I think that 'witch' was envious of the success of the Smallville article...in the end nobody supported me except the welcoming guy :( but I didnt' lost my pride. Anyway, I also watch LOST, Supernatural, Surface, The OC, Joey, Scrubs, The Simpsons and South Park. --Charlie144 20:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no one "owns" articles on Wikipedia. You can review Wikipedia:Ownership of articles for further details. The guidelines specifically states that: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. " --Madchester 06:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• • • The OC??? come on dude, not the OC. LOL, that "witch"? Well, I will make a deal, you repost my descriptions at 10pm every thursday after the preceeding episode. So, after LOCKDOWN finishes post the RECKONING article, so forth and so on. After they run out, I will hold on to the future descriptions, that have not been written up yet, until after their preceeding episodes...if that makes sense. That way they go up right after the trailer airs for them at the end of that nights episode.

To be brutally honest, this is not a TV Guide, or a preview website, or a fansite for that matter. The rules of spoilers and of information you personally might not want to know do not matter, that is because this is an encyclopedia, encyclopedias do not look at information and decide that the viewer would benefit better later on. No, they present information as it is and only information that can be backed up by fact. When WB releases details on future episodes these are considered information on upcoming episodes that everyone should be allowed to view, that is why we have the "spoiler" tag above stuff the reader may not want to read. Personal beliefs do not matter when it comes to censorship of any type, if the info is there it has to be presented. Whether the reader chooses to read it is entirely up to them. Tik 17:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)\

That is what I have been saying. As for TV Guide, they don't make these things up, they post what is given to them by the WB. Bignole

Yeah and I agree with you, i just wanted to put that little statement out there so the arguement would stop. The problem is that so many people aer big fans of the show (me included) but they cant take a neutral approach to it, thats not a bad thing but enthusiasm can sometimes interfere with presentation. But we're on the same page so i wont beat the horse anymore than it already is. Tik 14:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

• • now we just have to control the name dropping of the death in Reckoning..Bignole 14:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding spoilers

There's nothing wrong with spoilers. As long as the details come from a reliable source and/or are verifiable, all an editor has to do is use the spoiler-tag to warn readers. For The Amazing Race articles, editors there use a special spoiler tag to indicate details from unaired episodes (i.e., The Amazing Race 9).

If you have any inquiries about spoilers, feel free to drop me a message. I've been involved in similar discussions/debates about spoilers in the past. --Madchester 06:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• • thank you, that is what I was trying to get at. I created an "external link" section to provide a link to the site that usually gives the official descriptions via TV Guide. Oh, I moved your spoiler message to the top, it would be a little much to have to continuously move it each week. bignole

Well actually, that's the point of that specific spoiler tag. There's some users/editors that don't like reading spoilers of upcoming episodes that have yet to be aired. Over on the Amazing Race pages, editors move the tag weekly, so that information of completed and unaired legs are seperated from one another. That way you can appease both the spoiler and non-spoiler audience. --Madchester 09:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Reckoning

• should we put in there who actually dies?? I think not cause it would really take away from the episode. That is more than just a spoiler, that is a major bit of information.Bignole 02:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • No, the actual name is unnecessary. Just the fact that "someone important to Clark dies," as all the promos keep saying, is enough. 209.51.77.64 02:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• • yeah I don't see why we should completely spoil it for people. Since it's such a major character and so devastating I think it should remain nameless for wikipedia. Bignole 02:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

About irrelevant data

Is it really important to compare Smallville with other Superman series to state the fact that it's the first one to have a fifth season? Having a 100th episode is different since that's a major accomplishment for any TV series, even being a reason for celebration among the whoke cast and production staff. I think it's just fancruft and should be deleted. Please add your comments. --Charlie144 15:19, 30 January 2006 (UTC)