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Picture

Would someone be able to include a picture of the Royal standard of England. The standard is 3 gold lions Passant on a red feild.

Pictures

The pictures on this article (heraldic banners) are not what is mainly described in this article (the Tudor standard proper). AnonMoos (talk) 03:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Page merger

This page should be merged with Arms_of_England. The motto section is irrelevant to the banner and should be in the Arms of England page and too is the arms of the Commonwealth. Pmsmythe (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The page should stay separate but needs to be extended along the lines of the Royal Standard of Scotland page. Additionally the user Pmsmythe appears to have been unmasked as a Sock puppet of user Mr Taz consequently both accounts have been blocked. I have therefore removed the merger request. ThinkingTwice ^{contribs | talk} 15:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image of English Royal Standard

Hi - I've just posted this on the England page discussion, and I guess it's particularly applicable to this page too:

Hi,

Could someone change the image for the English Royal Standard that's being used? The version that's currently on the page looks as though it's been taken from a shield and has something very strange going on with the angle of the bottom lion's leg!!! It looks a little bit amateur for the England page (no offense intended!). May I suggest this image as a replacement, which I thinks looks a lot better and indeed like that used by the government & royal family within the royal standard of the UK:

Otherwise liking all your work on this page btw! Brunanburh (talk) 20:07, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so I've now altered the above image by trimming off the sides and adding to the top and bottom so that it is now a 3:5 ratio - a more standard flag dimension (and to match the dimensions of the St George's Cross image on the England page):

Hope this helps! Brunanburh (talk) 21:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so I've changed it to this new high-quality image I've produced:

Royal Standard of England (2) at 3^5 ratio.svg

Brunanburh (talk) 01:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photos and other examples?

I know that it is possible to buy modern, polyester reproductions of the English Royal Standard, but does anybody have a photograph of a historical example? Maybe something kept in a museum? What about medieval illustrations? --Jza84 | Talk 16:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cant even find any on google. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.27.17.6 (talk) 23:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I found a semi-decent reference, which may help. --Jza84 | Talk 17:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

banner ≠ standard

It would probably be good if this article were to decide whether it's about banners or about standards. —Tamfang (talk) 07:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tamfang, (nice format of the section, & of the wording, BTY), as I told Jza84‎, I created this article in November '08, as heraldic references of known Banners + Badges + Mottoes, (inc: Earl of Mar (1875): Chiefs Standard: Arms: The Scottish Saltire of Scotland: Edited out! and the WP:Henry de Stafford image) if all such images had been uploaded, it would be a good enough article on its own. Personally, I think this specific section (+Scotland example) should be moved to the Heraldic flag article. As for banner ≠ standard, I think both (RSoE) & (RAoE), should be restructured. I think the principal of a well referenced, and imaged, collection of all known examples of 'Royal devices,' on royal banners & standards - of England, should be the overall intention of this (RSoE) article. I think the rest of (relevant RSoE) content should be edited into the Royal Arms of England, which itself, should be written from a more 'England/English history' perspective, with emphasis on the specific Royal Arms - of the houses and monarchs - of England. If anyone is serious about re-creating these Stubs, into encyclopedic Articles worthy - of England; Although I cannot upload anything from my computer, I can photocopy my images and (ISBN &c refs), and FAX them to anyone who will upload these, into WP:commons, for use in these &/or other Articles. I'm open to any suggestions &/or consensus on improving these articles. Ta Steve. (PS: IMO: a 'full stop' divides a sentence ok, but a 'colon' emphasises that specific sections' relevance, without having to Bold or Italic the text?? ;) Stephen2nd (talk) 11:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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	: Hi Tamfang, (''nice format of the section, BTY''), as I told Jza84‎, I created this article in November '08, as heraldic references of known Banners + Badges + Mottoes, (inc: ''Earl of Mar (1875): Chiefs Standard: Arms: The Scottish Saltire of Scotland'': Edited out! and the WP:Henry de Stafford image) if all such images had been uploaded, it would be a good enough article on its own. Personally, I think this specific section (+''Scotland example'') should be moved to the [[Heraldic flag]] article. As for banner ≠ standard, I think both (RSoE) & (RAoE), should be restructured. I think the principal of a well referenced, and imaged, collection of all known examples of 'Royal devices,' on royal banners ≠ standards - of England, should be the overall intention of this (RSoE) article. I think the rest of (relevant RSoE) content should be edited into the [[Royal Arms of England]], which itself, should be written from a more 'England/English history' perspective, with emphasis on the specific Royal Arms - of the houses and monarchs - of England. If anyone is serious about re-creating these Stubs, into encyclopedic Articles worthy - of England; Although I cannot upload anything from my computer, I can photocopy my images and (ISBN &c refs), and FAX them to anyone who will upload these, into WP:commons, for use in these &/or other Articles. I'm open to any suggestions &/or consensus on improving these articles. Ta Steve. [[User:Stephen2nd\|Stephen2nd]] ([[User talk:Stephen2nd\|talk]]) 11:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)		: Hi Tamfang, (''nice format of the section, & of the wording, BTY''), as I told Jza84‎, I created this article in November '08, as heraldic references of known Banners + Badges + Mottoes, (inc: ''Earl of Mar (1875): Chiefs Standard: Arms: The Scottish Saltire of Scotland'': Edited out! and the WP:Henry de Stafford image) if all such images had been uploaded, it would be a good enough article on its own. Personally, I think this specific section (+''Scotland example'') should be moved to the [[Heraldic flag]] article. As for banner ≠ standard, I think both (RSoE) & (RAoE), should be restructured. I think the principal of a well referenced, and imaged, collection of all known examples of 'Royal devices,' on royal banners & standards - of England, should be the overall intention of this (RSoE) article. I think the rest of (relevant RSoE) content should be edited into the [[Royal Arms of England]], which itself, should be written from a more 'England/English history' perspective, with emphasis on the specific Royal Arms - of the houses and monarchs - of England. If anyone is serious about re-creating these Stubs, into encyclopedic Articles worthy - of England; Although I cannot upload anything from my computer, I can photocopy my images and (ISBN &c refs), and FAX them to anyone who will upload these, into WP:commons, for use in these &/or other Articles. I'm open to any suggestions &/or consensus on improving these articles. Ta Steve. (PS: IMO: ''a 'full stop' divides a sentence ok, but a 'colon' emphasises that specific sections' relevance, without having to Bold or Italic the text''?? ;) [[User:Stephen2nd\|Stephen2nd]] ([[User talk:Stephen2nd\|talk]]) 11:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)