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Thank you so much. Please continue helping!

Thanks a lot, Uncle G. Your edits at the Reproductive Health were all very helpful. Please continue helping as we improve that article. :) 03:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• Most of what I did was citation cleanup. I hope that future editors can follow the pattern, now that it's laid out. If you've seen your watchlist notice, you'll have seen that I'm a bit busy at the moment, busy enough that it has severely impacted my content editing. So I cannot help much with that. Even the Baptists are on hold. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 13:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

:)

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For finding 19 ways to say "stolen". Congradulations, you made reading a list of copyright violations fun ^^ ResMar 21:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Signpost

• Three important factual corrections:
  • Not all of the articles are copyright violations. Three people have independently reviewed samples of the articles to estimate the percentage that are expected to be copyright violations: me, Carrite, and llywrch. We all broadly agree on a very rough estimate of 10% of the total.
  • The CCI report came before the ANI discussion.
  • Your quote of me is a misquote that is going to read as false to any readers who know me. I don't write "s/he", and I didn't write it there. The wikitext that I wrote was "{{gender:Darius Dhlomo|he|she|xe}}".
• Uncle G (talk) 22:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Was intending for the contrib total/copyvio estimates to carry this over. ResMar 02:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I'm not on the inside of the discussion so I glanced over that point :) ResMar 02:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Can you fix this one yourself? I kind of have no clue what you mean. I input gender command and I get...xe. And I doubt people would know enough to litteraly detect that kind of to-the-letter inconsistency (and if they did, it would be downright creepy). ResMar 02:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
    • This was the intervening fix it. ResMar 02:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
• As noted below, I've been a Wikinews editor for a long time. Even on wikis, it's not a good idea to let the subject write the piece. ☺ I know that I wouldn't want subjects writing the piece if I were the reporter. So I've gone with the usual route of supplying the fact corrections for the reporter to review, research, and update the piece accordingly. I even tried to do so well before your deadline. ☺

  As to recognizing what isn't my writing: It wouldn't be creepy. You'll be surprised how many people know this. Uncle G (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2

Because you participated in Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 34#Does WP:NOTMYSPACE apply to secret pages?, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2. Cunard (talk) 07:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

CCI bot

I see it is active (or has been). It would be nice if you updated the CCI or BRFA discussion saying how big a chunk it is doing. I see some of its edits have already been reverted, restoring apparent copyvios ([1] seems to copy text from [2]). I think the bot should do just a fairly short blanking run (few hundred articles) and then give us a few days to see what happens before continuing. 67.119.12.29 (talk) 22:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

• I suggest that you and others go and have a long talk with Trackinfo (talk · contribs). See Wikipedia talk:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/How to help for why. Trackinfo seems to be of the opinion that things that are largely sentence-for-sentence identical and turned into a derived work by Trackinfo are "I reworded all of those sentences." There are also statements by Trackinfo that the "legwork" in creating "these highly accurate wikifications of public record documents" is "so valuable" that "I would be willing to overlook the occasional tendency toward copyright violations in prose". You and others are best placed to disabuse xem of these notions, right now, before things get out of hand.

  As for the rest: That was the short run, that I said I'd be doing a while back, to test the 'bot script and demonstrate it in action so that people can look at the edit rate and so forth. (I even found and fixed a problem with the category handling, you'll notice.) Uncle G (talk) 23:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Oh cool, yes, I see the bot stopped after 40 articles, which seems like a good number. I posted a message to Trackinfo here. Thanks. 67.119.12.29 (talk) 23:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Actually, it was 22 articles (one of which is now redlinked on the list) twice. I ran the process twice, expecting the second run to be a batch of null edits that wouldn't show up. They did, revealing a problem, that I then found the cause for and fixed (by explicitly filtering out that particular category). Uncle G (talk) 23:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
      • Ah, I didn't notice the duplication. Anyway, nice work. 67.119.12.29 (talk) 23:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews

Hi, you don't know me but I know you. You were an admin on Wikinews, and seeing as you're active here on Wikipedia, may I ask you if you could comeback to Wikinews? We are in desperate need of contributors, and from what I've seen you were great on your job. Cheers, --Diego Grez (talk) 01:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd love if you could respond this... --Diego Grez (talk) 17:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Exact time of going to bed

Ah, but how do you know I didn't just take my laptop upstairs? :) Black Kite (t) (c) 09:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

CCI

You should probably announce the results of the test run at Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents/CCI so people can comment. 67.119.12.29 (talk) 14:55, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Is this true?

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-09-13/News_and_notes

  "The bot will roll back every article to the version immediately prior to Darius Dhlomo's first edit, based on a master list generated by VernoWhitney. The articles he created will not be deleted, but the bot will blank the page completely."

• - jc37 05:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Also: will articles which have already been reviewed be excluded from the main bot list? There are at least a few hundred between the first and second pages of the CCI. SFB 07:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I have a short test list of articles that I've run through the 'bot; so you can see from the 'bot's own contributions history what the 'bot does. Notice that I've addressed one discovered problem and one further request. This is just the created articles pass, at this stage. I'm not even set up to roll back articles, yet. I'm looking into how that can be done; and the 'bot would need a new tool written to be able to do it. Plus, of course, that second pass as a whole is still up for discussion.

Moonriddengirl has already said that xe is working up a list of pages to be immediately rolled back. If xe gives me a list of pages like Margaret de Jesús ahead of time I can remove them from the list given to the 'bot in the first place. For reasons noted above on this very page and on Moonriddengirl's talk page, Moonriddengirl is a good clearinghouse for such a list. I suggest that you two help Moonriddengirl concoct that list. Uncle G (talk) 11:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

• Are you planning to do the rest of the articles at any given time? Or are you going to do them one page a day or something of that sort? I can't really generate a list for you at this point because the list is in flux. People are still evaluating this content. :/
  
  What we could do is add an "edit notice" to each of the CCI subpages asking people after a certain timestamp to watch the articles they've cleared so that they can remove the bot notices themselves. That way, I could generate a list of exclusions for you from before the timestamp and people who are still working after will know to keep an eye. That would work best, I think, if you plan to do the rest of the list all at once. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually, what we're going to have to ask them to do at the CCI is to remove the blanking template from the pages anyway when they evaluate. Otherwise, there will be redundancy of labor. And we may need to change the template to ask them to mark the clearance at the CCI for the same reason. What do you think? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
    • I was wondering whether VernoWhitney can come up with a way of refactoring the CCI list to take out the blanked articles after they are blanked, so that people didn't have the extra task of ticking articles off, there, and we could just rely upon the category to depopulate. Xe did say that the current list on the CCI pages was in two parts, with separately numbered sequences. Uncle G (talk) 16:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
      • Then we might want to delay action on this until if we know whether Verno can have his bot do this. I'm not sure. The actual CCI list is generated by a Tool, not a bot. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
        • Okay, so while I could come up with a way of removing blanked articles from the CCI list when they are blanked (it would take me a few days and probably another BRFA, but it's possible) I don't think that just using the category is a good way of doing things. If we did that it would remove transparency so that nobody could follow up on which articles have been marked copyvio and which have been cleared, and ofttimes more importantly: by whom. I note that there's already at least one editor who has been working fairly extensively on this CCI who really shouldn't be (have been? not sure if they're still at it) due to past copyright problems. If it was all just in categories they could clear them and noone would know without specifically checking up on their contributions. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
          • Who said just the category? ☺ See Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/How to help#Things that you can patrol. Uncle G (talk) 22:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
            • Thanks for the link, I've been working on other CCIs and forgot about that recent changes list. That would help, but it wouldn't leave an easily accessible permanent record though, so I'm still not sold on the idea, but if others want to go ahead with it let me know and I'll put code to edit the CCI pages on the top of my programming to-do list. VernoWhitney (talk) 23:13, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm probably going to do the list in batches, but only so that I can recover from errors and restart the process partway through more easily, if such becomes necessary. I might not even need to do that. It's best for you and others to approach this as if all of the articles are going be done in one long run. As I said on your talk page, I'm ready, with list and scripts. Uncle G (talk) 16:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

When I asked, I was hoping it would be true : )

Just a suggestion, but perhaps it would be better at this stage to do the blanking/reversion "cold".

In other words, do it regardless of whether others have "fixed" the page.

For one thing, it would add the template in the edit history, which would give a nice head's up to anyone who might go through the edit history in the future thinking to restore something, not knowing to look out for a CV.

And those that are already "done" will presumably be on the watchlists of those who worked on them, so they should have little problem identifying already completed work, and going through and undoing the reversion/blanking as appropriate. Which also places that as an edit in the edit history as well. - jc37 20:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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