Talk:Raleigh, North Carolina

Article improvements forthcoming

I'm starting to work on this article to get it up to a featured article. Any help is welcomed, and if you have any suggestions or ideas please pass them along to me on my talk page. Thanks! PacknCanes | say something! 09:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Religious organizations

I question the significance of the organizations listed under "Religious Organizations and Churches." One of them, Deeper Devotion Student Ministries, has its own Wikipedia entry, which started out as no more than an advertisement. The same person is responsible for the listing and the Deeper Devotion entry; he or she appears to have contributed nothing else. Could these not be removed without harm? Flauto Dolce 23:49, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The Religious section seemed a little thin and perhaps a little fundamentalist-oriented. I added as much as I could to round it out, trying to stick with churches I knew were stable. Someone please add better Jewish links and any Islamic links. -Bitt 21:48, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm beggining to think that the relgious section is a mistake because:

• It invites every minor league religious institution to post an advertisement on Wikipedia
• It forces us to choose what institutions make it onto the page
• Like most moderatly sized cities in the South, there is a staggering amount of religious institutions

Reid 05:11, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Triangle Metro Zoo

I've lived in Raleigh for most of my life and honestly, I've never heard of those sites, nor have I heard of the Triangle Metro Zoo. You'd think that the TWO Imax theaters downtown, the brand new museums, or the warehouse district revitalization would make it onto the list. (I guess I'll add those later and flesh out a "Character" Section) Reid 05:59, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Agreed. Fleshed out. -Bitt 22:13, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I put in the Triangle Metro Zoo when I found out it existed. I thought it was a neat little thing. I still haven't gone to see if it actually exists outside its web page, but I plan to. Really it seems to be a private business, and not any sort of community zoo. Should it be removed? We don't list all our putt-putt courses and other minor attractions.

As for churches, I don't think it's possible to list all the religious organizations in Raleigh, so listing only a few of them does kind of seem like preferential treatment. Why should we list them at all? Churches are an important part of any community, but people will assume Raleigh has its share of churches without us naming all of them. Pedro Picasso 19:53, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

Seems like the "Zoo" is a purely commercial petting zoo type thing. I don't think it is appropriate to list.--Reid 05:11, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

The "zoo" has plenty of animals you wouldn't want to pet. It was started by folks who bred exotic animals. My kids love it. Definitely more intimate than the NC Zoo -- that was arguably a bad thing the day we came upon the lions mating!

Tornado

About the tornado that touched down west of Raleigh in November 28, 1988. But, I think it was a F4, with more than 200 mph. That motel and also the old K-Mart store is now gone on Glenwood Avenue. I guess the user had it right, the motel was close to the old K-Mart, which is now a cornfield.

Thanks for improving it.

I can't find any support pinning the speed at 260 mph.

lots of issues | leave me a message 01:04, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

200% of poverty line

This is the link for the census data:

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTTable?_bm=y&-context=dt&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U&-CONTEXT=dt&-mt_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U_P088&-tree_id=403&-all_geo_types=N&-geo_id=16000US3755000&-search_results=16000US3755000&-format=&-_lang=en

24.172.249.95 18:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

crime

Why was the crime information deleted?

LegCircus 00:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

• For one thing, three sentences don't warrant a full section. Also, what proof is there that "Raleigh has long tolerated prostitution"? Without a source, that statement can't be included. In any case, I'm in the process of completely rewriting the page, so I'll attempt to work the murder rate into the new format of the page. PacknCanes | say something! 00:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

For one thing, deletions of entire sections are not a minor change. And prostitution on Bragg Street has been recently documented by the News & Observer and the Independent on multiple occassions. These are some sources:

The Independent 11-9-2005

The Independent 9-24-2005

The Raleigh News and Observer 9-20-2005

If you would like additional evidence, I have the public police records for Bragg St for the months between March 2005 and August 2005. There are over 4 dozen reports of prostitution for this partial period. Or you take a drive down Bragg St any time of day or night. Its just south of MLK, use Blount or Garner, both intersections are heavy traffic. You can take some photos and add them to the page. LegCircus 05:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Just FYI -- the new Raleigh article, which hopefully will be done in the next week or so, will include information about how southeast Raleigh is the poorer part of the city. I'm a little antsy about including the prostitution information, though, because it seems to be singling out one specific type of crime that's not particularly notable (you said it yourself -- Raleigh isn't much different from any other city in that respect). A low murder rate, however, is notable and I plan to include that. Reference San Jose, California#Law and government and Boston, Massachusetts#Law and government -- murder rates are included, but typically nothing else.

Also, per the standards set at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities, ==Crime== should not stand alone as its own section. (See the two articles, both featured, above). I will, though, include it in the ==Law and government== section.

PacknCanes | say something! 05:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Prostitution is particularly notable, and if you disagree it's probably because your daughter has never brought you a used condom she found in the front yard talking about "Papa I found a balloon."

This article and all articles are the product of community consensus. They are not driven by one person's vision.

I am not currently aware that the greater wikipedia community has approved standards as you see them; I'll look into it.

LegCircus 16:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

The first lines of Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities say "These are only suggestions, things to give you focus and to get you going, and you shouldn't feel obligated in the least to follow them."

I will follow your lead in improving the article, but you cannot use WikiProject Cities to eliminate material that does not "conform."

LegCircus 16:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I've lived in Raleigh all my life and never seen nor heard a word about Bragg St. and it's prostitution problem. Do you have some vendetta against the Bragg St. prostitutes? Is one article in the N&O good enough evidence to support the claim that Raleigh tolerates prostitution? I have a great idea. Why don't we just cut and paste every article the News and Observer prints, that way every one story can be archived on Wikkipedia.

Raleigh PD has busted four or five brothels in North Raleigh if somebody want to do the research. I am not sure that is notable when compared to other urban areas. --Thunder 15:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Raleigh-Cary MSA

This line was deleted in the article: "The estimated Raleigh-Cary metropolitan statistical area population as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2004 is 914,680." While I understand that the CSA figure is the "bragging figure," I see nothing that excludes the use of both figures as designated by a respectable authority, the U.S. Census Bureau. I believe this information (Raleigh-Cary MSA population) has a rightful place in this article. 162.6.224.136 03:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Sandbox

It's now at Talk:Raleigh, North Carolina/temp. I moved it out of article namespace. -- User:Docu