Talk:List of Hellcats episodes: Difference between revisions
→edit war: reply |
→edit war: reply. |
||
Line 36: | Line 36: | ||
:::Yes, if we use overnight, aka, incomplete and wrong, ratings it would be worse than not including one, just for the sake of having one. And pifeedback.com should ''not'' be used. <span style="font-family: Palatino;">[[User:Xeworlebi|'''<big><big><sub>X</sub></big></big>'''eworlebi]] <sup>([[User talk:Xeworlebi|talk]])</sup></span> 23:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC) |
:::Yes, if we use overnight, aka, incomplete and wrong, ratings it would be worse than not including one, just for the sake of having one. And pifeedback.com should ''not'' be used. <span style="font-family: Palatino;">[[User:Xeworlebi|'''<big><big><sub>X</sub></big></big>'''eworlebi]] <sup>([[User talk:Xeworlebi|talk]])</sup></span> 23:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC) |
||
::::Not to be rude, but that's '''not''' your decision. It can be granted special dispensation if enough users needs it to make articles better. As for the overnight thing, that will need a consensus to say not to use them and have blank weeks instead. [[User:Jayy008|Jayy008]] ([[User talk:Jayy008|talk]]) 23:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC) |
Revision as of 23:39, 26 September 2010
Television Redirect‑class | |||||||
|
edit war
Page is temporarily protected to stop edit warring. If it resumes after protection is expired, expect to be blocked. Please discuss here instead. See WP:BRD and WP:EDITWAR for more information on why edit warring is not tolerated. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know why the anon user kept adding the colors back into the article. I warned the user for edit warring and also about not making those changes. ChaosMasterChat 23:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, there's no reason to use colors right now since no DVD was released. Decodet (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- There is no problem with the colors, this is a clear cut case of ownership. The argument "what if the DVD's are pink?" is quite lame, then we change it, what if the DVD's are not gray? Xeworlebi (talk) 08:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
- I've been following this war via my watchlist, and I have to agree with Xeworlebi. I don't see what the issue is with using colors. I know of no rule/guideline/requirement that ep lists must be gray until a DVD is released. Who really cares? --Logical Fuzz (talk) 11:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Yet again, we have a disagreement about ratings. Can someone please tell me why this page, contrary to most (not all) of wikipedia, uses rounded one decimal figures for ratings, rather than two decimal places? ChaosMasterChat 20:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
The page has once again been protected due to the ongoing edit disputes. I declined to ask for any further sanctions, although WP:3RR and WP:OWN are being stomped into the mud. Discuss amongst yourselves and reach consensus before continuing down the path to true stupidity, please. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 21:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Does it matter what colour the episode list is? And why does it matter if only one decimal place is used for the ratings? If we get this all cleared up in here then there won't be any more problems with the page is unprotected again. Jayy008 (talk) 22:04, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I do not think that the color issue was ever resolved, despite ChaosMaster's comment to the contrary in an edit summary here. There has been no valid argument regarding the color needing to be gray. As far as I can tell, the only one reverting the blue color is ChaosMaster, which seems very much like an ownership issue. Regarding the ratings data, I need to check out the references to come up with a definitive opinion on that issue. I will say, though, that a general preference for me would be 2 digits after the decimal. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 22:27, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Well one ref is a CW press release citing 3.0 million viewers. The other is TvbytheNumbers citing 2.99. That could be rounded to 3.0 anyway? So it doesn't matter? Jayy008 (talk) 22:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- The CW press release is giving final numbers (you can tell from the demos) when it states 3.0, while TVbytheNumbers is giving the overnights with 2.99. Regardless of which type of reporting is chosen, there needs to be consistency. Note that for the 3rd episode, both "sides" have been using the same reference, which is for the overnights, giving us the 2.32. So to use finals data in the table, a new reference is needed for episode 3. I would say that since overnights are more readily available, that would be the way to go.
- For finals data, many people in the past used Travis Yanan at The Programming Insider (pifeedback.com), but this has been determined that this is not a reliable source. If anyone does have a reliable source, with consistent finals data (available every week without fail), then we can do the table in finals. That said, I still don't think that all the data needs to be rounded to 1 digit after the decimal. If that's all there is for episode one, fine, keep it 3.0. But I don't feel that means that every number needs to be rounded. So what if one is different, if that's all we had? But then again, if we have a reliable finals source, than we could use that for episode 1 instead of the CW ref, giving us 2 digits past the decimal. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 23:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Final numbers should be used, if non is available don't put one in, don't fall back on overnight figures just to have a rating. I have no issue with using two digits after the decimal, but do not add trailing zero's, this is wrong (see Significant figures). The color issue as I previously said is to me an ownership issue. Xeworlebi (talk) 23:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do you have a reliable source for finals data? I would prefer finals, but I don't think we should be leaving some weeks blank if we have no data. IMO, I would rather have data for every week, even if that means we use overnights instead. But I definitely think there needs to be consistency. The numbers can't be mixed. And as I have stated before, I agree with the significant figures issue. 3 ≠ 3.0 ≠ 3.00 Zeros cannot be added on a whim. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 23:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- TV by the Numbers gives both overnight and final ratings most of the time. Overnight ratings are incorrect numbers (that's why they're corrected with final ratings) and should not be used just because finals aren't always available (overnight isn't always available either). Xeworlebi (talk) 23:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- TVbythenumbers uses TravisYanan too, so why can't we? We can take it somewhere to get that particular forum un-blacklisted and for use simply for finals. A similar argument was brought up about MariahJoural, it is reliable with some sales figures that can't be found anywhere else. So after taking it somewhere (I can't remember where), the website is now allowed for Australian sales figures prior to 1997. Despite it being a fan site. Can we do this for TravisYanan's finals? If somebody knows where to take the argument. I agree with Logical Fuzz, though. Although finals are preferred, we can't just leave weeks blank or have an inconsistent article. For now, we have to use overnights as overnights are the only ones availble for all three episodes. Xeworlebi, would you rather just leave weeks blank then? Jayy008 (talk) 23:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, if we use overnight, aka, incomplete and wrong, ratings it would be worse than not including one, just for the sake of having one. And pifeedback.com should not be used. Xeworlebi (talk) 23:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Not to be rude, but that's not your decision. It can be granted special dispensation if enough users needs it to make articles better. As for the overnight thing, that will need a consensus to say not to use them and have blank weeks instead. Jayy008 (talk) 23:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)