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:We would need a [[WP:RS]] secondary source to support changes. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 15:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:We would need a [[WP:RS]] secondary source to support changes. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 15:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


:Just to clarify: I never have ever edited any wiki entries themselves, although I have talked a couple of times on discussion pages like this one. I just wanted to make sure that's known. I'm pretty sure anyone could go back and look at IP addresses and confirm that. Well, I guess I could have edited a page from outside my home - but I didn't. My most major mistake was setting up the site on my server's main IP address and basically repurposing HTML/CSS from another site. In hindsight.... Also, there was much fun when a certain website tracked me down - someone suggested I edit the 404 for the site and copy/paste Acorn's 404, which I did, which did cause much rampant speculation... hehe. However, although my information was out there, the legal response was what definitely uncovered me - when the WIPO dispute was filed, my options were 1) give in and keep my privacy (theoretically) or 2) respond to WIPO and have my identity out there. I might have gotten away with my story that I was just hosting the site before making the decision to respond to WIPO. Also, I haven't re-read the article in a while... I just periodically check this (well, it's been a few months) - saw that comment and felt compelled to write here. :) [[User:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|Isaac.Eiland-Hall]] ([[User talk:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|talk]]) 05:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::Just to clarify: I never have ever edited any wiki entries themselves, although I have talked a couple of times on discussion pages like this one. I just wanted to make sure that's known. I'm pretty sure anyone could go back and look at IP addresses and confirm that. Well, I guess I could have edited a page from outside my home - but I didn't. My most major mistake was setting up the site on my server's main IP address and basically repurposing HTML/CSS from another site. In hindsight.... Also, there was much fun when a certain website tracked me down - someone suggested I edit the 404 for the site and copy/paste Acorn's 404, which I did, which did cause much rampant speculation... hehe. However, although my information was out there, the legal response was what definitely uncovered me - when the WIPO dispute was filed, my options were 1) give in and keep my privacy (theoretically) or 2) respond to WIPO and have my identity out there. I might have gotten away with my story that I was just hosting the site before making the decision to respond to WIPO. Also, I haven't re-read the article in a while... I just periodically check this (well, it's been a few months) - saw that comment and felt compelled to write here. :) [[User:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|Isaac.Eiland-Hall]] ([[User talk:Isaac.Eiland-Hall|talk]]) 05:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Quite interesting, to be sure, but on Wikipedia we must stick to what has been reported on already, in [[WP:RS|reliable secondary sources]] - thus remaining an encyclopedic tertiary source. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 06:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

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DateProcessResult
October 4, 2009Articles for deletionNo consensus
January 27, 2010Good article nomineeListed
Did You KnowA fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 19, 2009.
Current status: Good article

Unsourced change

[1] = this change by Roregan (talk · contribs) is not backed up by the cited source at the end of the sentence. Cirt (talk) 21:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymity

Although not directly applicable to the case, the anonymity of Eiland-Hall is worthy of more than the cursory mention here. Eiland-Hall accidentally left an electronic trail in spite of his anonymous domain registration and efforts to disguise his identity (including his web hosting service and the unmentioned but notable unsigned-but-not-anonymous Wikipedia edit). Once discovered, Hall claimed he was only hosting the website for a client, and that he was not the creator. The article gives the impression that he was initially anonymous, then discovered through legal proceedings, while the real story is more complex. I would think that all this would be worthy of mention, but if there's a reason why it's unmentioned, I'd want to hear it before making changes. Calbaer (talk) 18:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We would need a WP:RS secondary source to support changes. -- Cirt (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify: I never have ever edited any wiki entries themselves, although I have talked a couple of times on discussion pages like this one. I just wanted to make sure that's known. I'm pretty sure anyone could go back and look at IP addresses and confirm that. Well, I guess I could have edited a page from outside my home - but I didn't. My most major mistake was setting up the site on my server's main IP address and basically repurposing HTML/CSS from another site. In hindsight.... Also, there was much fun when a certain website tracked me down - someone suggested I edit the 404 for the site and copy/paste Acorn's 404, which I did, which did cause much rampant speculation... hehe. However, although my information was out there, the legal response was what definitely uncovered me - when the WIPO dispute was filed, my options were 1) give in and keep my privacy (theoretically) or 2) respond to WIPO and have my identity out there. I might have gotten away with my story that I was just hosting the site before making the decision to respond to WIPO. Also, I haven't re-read the article in a while... I just periodically check this (well, it's been a few months) - saw that comment and felt compelled to write here. :) Isaac.Eiland-Hall (talk) 05:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Quite interesting, to be sure, but on Wikipedia we must stick to what has been reported on already, in reliable secondary sources - thus remaining an encyclopedic tertiary source. -- Cirt (talk) 06:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]