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The result was '''keep'''. ([[Wikipedia:non-admin closure|non-admin closure]]) [[User:Peter Karlsen|Peter Karlsen]] ([[User talk:Peter Karlsen|talk]]) 02:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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* Wow, really? Wikipedia has turned into such a crap hole. She's the [http://noticias.aol.com/2010/10/25/marisol-valles-garcia/ youngest] chief of police Mexico has had to date. That by itself is notable, regardless if she accomplishes anything during her career. '''Keep the article'''. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.223.91.130|65.223.91.130]] ([[User talk:65.223.91.130|talk]]) 22:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* Wow, really? Wikipedia has turned into such a crap hole. She's the [http://noticias.aol.com/2010/10/25/marisol-valles-garcia/ youngest] chief of police Mexico has had to date. That by itself is notable, regardless if she accomplishes anything during her career. '''Keep the article'''. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.223.91.130|65.223.91.130]] ([[User talk:65.223.91.130|talk]]) 22:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Peter Karlsen (talk) 02:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marisol Valles Garcia

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Hasn't done anything notable yet. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 05:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • KEEP Caring about the future of your community enough to take a public stand and risk your life, is more notable of a accomplishment then most ever accomplish in the public eye. This will truly be a followed story; and Wikipedia would be untrue to its nature to not carry this! C Bayko, NE Tennessee RN
  • KEEP. She is a clearly notable public figure, highlighting the extreme situation in the area around Ciudad Juarez. She has not yet accomplished anything in her tenure, no -- but a general lack of accomplishment does not indicate that someone is not notable. Most politicians do not accomplish anything, but are still notable public figures. More press will certainly surround the mystique of the single mother/college student/police chief of one of the most violent areas of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.81.83 (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, shes a 20 year old police chief in Mexico's most deadliest area. Shes a female police chief in Mexico's most deadliest area. Wiki has articles on everything from anti-war protesters to reality tv stars - why isnt JUST the fact that Marisol is a 20 year old female police chief, not only in Mexico, but also in the deadliest part of Mexico - notable enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.124.13.20 (talk) 06:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A difficult question. All the sources I found deal with her appointment to the function, therefore this article could be an expample of WP:BLP1E. On the other hand, the sources available contain useful information about crime in Mexico. I think the information and relevant circumstances could be developed in a new section of the article Práxedis G. Guerrero Municipality. The section could be called "Crime".--Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:25, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with previous comment. Compose new section and redirect there from article. 193.211.161.8 (talk) 11:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. —Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:25, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This person got instantly her honorability and her fame when she stepped in; she became an example and hope for her country. Countless people admire her all around the world for what she did, and for her incredible courage already. And you can be sure as Hell that she will become someone of great significance in Mexico, if she’s not killed or beheaded anytime soon. If you delete her page, then delete the long one of Paris Hilton who, truly, never did any accomplishment of any value as yet, and has no talent in particular but overhyping her self. If ever there is no objective reason not to delete Marisol Valles Garcia’s page, then, please, don’t do it as the expression of a support similar this Wikipedia enjoys as a great work of universal value; no one will ever dare accuse Wikipedia of being partisan for doing so. Robertmouchy (talk) 20:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


  • Keep. Highly notable. More material will be written on this person as her career progresses. Would request more biographical information, however. The current article is little more than a copy/paste of a news article. Pendell (talk) 17:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As the principal writer, I take offence by the accusation of plagiarism. The article is based on several sources, and rewritten in original language. If you think the article is missing in content, however, and if you're able to dig up more biographical information, feel free to add more. Lampman (talk) 19:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep --Witan (talk) 18:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable.Adrigon (talk) 19:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC) Keep I created the stub, and I'd think it should be expaned. She is notable due to the fact of her young age and the circumstanes.TiMike (talk) 00:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.57.157.160 (talk) 20:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, expand. Unique news event (20 year old female student appointed as police chief in dangerous Mexican town) has received national coverage. She is now a personality. Additionally, the manner of her appointment and her proposed approach to community safety are unusual and innovative. Likely to continue to garner media coverage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhueth (talk • contribs)
  • Keep: perhaps a BLP1E issue, but I am inclined to defer to editors more familiar with Mexican politics, and to them she appears to be a big deal.--Milowent • talkblp-r 00:52, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, expand. Notable. BLP1E issue not critical User:mikewofsey 20:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.160.80.120 (talk) [reply]

It seems to me that most of the commenters on this page confuse notability with newsworthiness. Being named police chief in one of Mexicos most troubled areas while merely a 20-year old college student is newsworthy, as is self-evident from the media coverage the event has garnered globally. However, Wikipedia is not a news service. Notability requires that the subject of an article is known for something else than a single event, and so far Chief Valles Garcia is only known for her position.

I feel obliged to quote from WP:BLP1E: "Merely being in the news does not imply someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them."

For the time being, Mrs./Ms. Valles Garcia (I was unable to determine whether she is married or not) has been covered in the news only in relation with her acceptance of her new post. In the future, this may change, and the expansion of her own article may be warranted, but for the time being, redirection to Práxedis G. Guerrero Municipality and creation of a subsection there is the correct course of action in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines. Mleivo (talk) 04:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The 20-year-old female police chief of one of Mexico's most violent cartel areas is unlikely to remain "a low-profile individual". WP:BLP1E is about events, but a position is not an event. Furthermore, the intention of WP:BLP is to protect individuals from unwanted exposure, but in cases where the individual has chosen to step into public view themselves, this no longer applies. Lampman (talk) 10:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect into Crime in Mexico/Mexican Police Force. Certainly not "extremely notable" as a biography but worthy of a mentioning in an article discussing Mexican crime.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak keep. The article is currently probably more of news thing. Hoewever there seems to have a rather extensive worldwide media coverage of her (see Interwikis and there sources), imho that provides enough notability.--Kmhkmh (talk) 09:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The large number of interwikis was apparently due to false linking caused by an editing error. Nevertheless there are 2 real interwikis and there sources still indicate a global coverage of the story.--Kmhkmh (talk) 10:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP This woman has already done something highly notable by being prepared to take on the role of Chief of Police. She has a clearly defined strategy that is different to that of her predecessors and is striving to achieve peace through peaceful means. Whether she is able to do so or not, given the extraordinary risk to herself, she has set an example not only to her own people and to all Mexicans but to people, young and old, around the world. I shall be amazed if she is not put forward for the Nobel Peace Prize in due course. For Wikpedia NOT to have an entry, that can be extended in time, seems to me to undermine its credibility as a source of authoritative knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ursus-deningeri (talk • contribs) 12:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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