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Pending changes

This article is one of a number selected for the early stage of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

Images

Why doesn't this have more images of gameplay? Geez, this article sucks. 114.77.6.119 (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

So fix it. --King Öomie 13:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

We also have to worry about copyright issues when we want to include screenshots from computer games and other applications. So it's not a simple thing to do, WP:FU covers using non-free images in articles, and as you can see from the policy we can't just put anything we want into it. -- Atama頭 21:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

would 3d models (blender, 3d max etc) made by exported charatcers (.m2) be non-copyrighted? --Squidonius (talk) 22:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

They would be subject to copyright law, as they are at the very least derived from an author's copyrighted work (the images created by Blizzard artists for the game). Every hairstyle, sword, and pair of boots was at one point created by Blizzard for the game's use, and a character export is just a copy of that work. -- Atama頭 00:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Has anybody tried requesting copyright permission for a set of screenshots from Blizzard? They're a pretty big company, but it's worth a try. I've had some experience with this (with much smaller companies) —Sebquantic (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Give it a shot! It's certainly can't hurt to ask. Jedikaiti (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Blizzard have a "fair use" policy which governs images, screenshots and derivative works, such as user created webcomics, Machinima and the like. Would this fair use policy also govern any images used on Wikipedia? The fair use policy can be found here. Whisperwolf (talk) 15:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't checked this page in a while. From that page, Blizzard only allows the use of works for non-commercial purposes. From WP:IUP#Free_licenses: "Licenses which restrict the use of the media to non-profit or educational purposes only (i.e. noncommercial use only), or are given permission to only appear on Wikipedia, are not free enough for Wikipedia's usages or goals and will be deleted." But, I think Blizzard would be open to releasing a few screenshots or video clips under a free license (CC-BY-SA) so that they could be uploaded here. I've never played WoW, but if anybody wants to find some images/clips to use I'd be happy to take care of asking and getting them uploaded to the commons. Ideally you would want images/clips that show a wide range of the game's content (what a raid looks like, what the economy looks like, etc...), but I wouldn't use more than 4 or 5-ish (i.e. don't need a picture of every single class). —Sebquantic (talk) 04:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I would love to see more pictures. I've been thinking about playing, but I'm not sure. I need all the support I can get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innocent3d (talk • contribs) 22:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

How about going to the official website or better yet to one of the many thousand fansites where you cannot just find pictures but videos and forums and whatnot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cilmeron (talk • contribs) 10:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

what about the images on wowwiki.com?

I'd be willing to be hundreds of millions of dollars that the folks at wowwiki.com have some pictures that we could use. Somehow, there are plenty of WoW pics there, so it must be possible. makeswell (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me, but for Wikipedia we have to prove they are not copyright. Not just take them from another website. Dobat 16:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobat (talk • contribs)

WoWWiki is totally different from Wikipedia and has different rules, it isn't even affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation like some other wikis (Wikinews, Wiktionary, etc.). Those different rules help make WoWWiki more valuable than it would be if it followed the exact same content inclusion rules as here; they post a lot of material that would never be accepted at Wikipedia. -- Atama頭 17:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

And it would not be accepted here because the vast majority of the imagery on WoWWiki would fail our non-free content criteria. There are, on the other hand, a handful of user created images, but even some of those (the majority, even!) would be considered derivative works of copyrighted Blizzard material. --Izno (talk) 18:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Mega Controversy not mentioned

About the REAL NAME changes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth And Relative Dissention In Space (talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS. This started yesterday. Granted, it's the largest thread ever to exist on the WoW forums by a large margin, currently sitting around 22,500 posts of rage (just from north american players). --King Öomie 16:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I respectfully have to disagree - it is the most major news to happen to World of Warcraft players since the game came out, and the sheer volume of posts show that, after recent controversy with privacy in facebook, this is newsworthy for the fact that a larger percentage of the community is talking about openly revolting against the invasion of privacy and refusing to use any facility (in this case the forums) that infringes on their right to privacy. I have to ask - if Blizzard is forced to rescind the policy before it goes live, would you consider it newsworthy then? Whisperwolf (talk) 17:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS. It doesn't matter if it's "newsworthy". Until there's serious reporting on it, it's not notable. --King Öomie 17:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

126+ news articles is more important than putting a big tag on some random page: http://www.google.com/search?q=warcraft+real+ID&hl=en Truth And Relative Dissention In Space (talk) 18:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Pages more than about 36 hours old are about RealID in general, most likely the in-game application, not yesterday's post. This is the search you're looking for. Suddenly, most of the results are forums. --King Öomie 18:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Think should change the anonymity on "Servers" to "forums" to better reflect the actual article. While the Real ID stuff in general has to do with servers (i.e. friend lists in-game), the actual controversy is with the anonymity on the forums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.209.63 (talk) 18:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? If you search versus Google news there are a TON of articles about this. Stop being obtuse. Truth And Relative Dissention In Space (talk) 18:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Not so many if you limit the search terms to "Posted in the last 24 hours". Time travelers are not reliable sources. --King Öomie 19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

It is now on the BBC News website. Is it NOW newsworthy enough for you, King? Whisperwolf (talk) 19:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

No need to get personal or confrontational. Don't get the wrong impression- I've posted my dissent several times in the WoW-NA thread. I'm just unwilling to compromise Wikipedia policy to stick it to blizzard. We don't need to "get the word out" or worry about "the people"- anyone affected by this news already knows.

Oh, also, I don't WP:OWN this page. --King Öomie 19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

This isn't about "sticking it to Blizzard". It's about keeping the article on Wikipedia updated with information relevant to its topic. Since the Associated Press and carriers are now talking about it, it's more than just of special interest to WoW players, it's become an issue as important as any of the recent privacy on Facebook issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whisperwolf (talk • contribs) 21:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• As a comment before this slides off into the archives, the content is now included in the article as the topic gained a significant amount of media attention in the following weeks of its announcement, and kicked off the old 'safety in video games' debate again amongst media groups, thus it is safe to say it gained notability. --Taelus (Talk) 11:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Platforms?

Should Linux really be included among the available platforms? It can run in Wine, but I think including it as a "Platform" gives the impression that there's an official client, which, I suppose there is, but it's not available to the public...more just used for testing, apparently. 71.236.150.254 (talk) 10:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

No, in fact there was a discussion in April (only 3 people participated, but still) where it was suggested that since Blizzard doesn't have any official releases for Linux then it shouldn't be included. Someone unilaterally added Linux as a platform, I'm removing that because frankly it's not true. Many programs can run on platforms that the developers didn't intend thanks to emulators or other methods. For example, we have a number of games developed for and only release for the Nintendo Entertainment System but any of them should also run in an emulator on any modern computer (Windows, Linux, or Mac) though we'd never include those as "platforms". I don't think a client not released to the public would be considered "official". -- Atama頭 17:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

WoW TCG

Noticed the information about the TCG under "In other media" is out of date. It's no longer run by Upper Deck Entertainment, but instead by Cryptozoic (http://www.cryptozoic.com) I'd change it myself, but don't have the permission to change semi-protected pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hierakles (talk • contribs) 12:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I happen to know this is true so I'll change it; I'll see if I can get around to finding some news article or something to source it later. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 13:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)