Talk:Avenged Sevenfold

Nightmare

http://p1.soundcloud.com/player.swf?url=http://soundcloud.com/avengedsevenfold/nightmare/s-ukl9y&auto_play=false&player_type=tiny&font=Arial&color=026691&remote_addr=88.106.69.92&referer= New single, may 18th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathbat RTS (talk • contribs) 16:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Instruments

Is it necessary to list every instrument they play? At the most recent live shows, Shadows has only sang, and on occasion, he's played piano. Syn only plays lead guitar and backing vocals. Zacky V isn't playing piano, nor is Rev. It honestly looks strange to see all of A7X having piano/keyboard as an instrument they play. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have piano dueling. If you were to correct it, it would look good to say (sorry I don't know how to format it but I'll do my best)

• M. Shadows- Lead Vocals, Piano (That's the one thing you missed.) (Hittingray (talk) 12:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC))
• Synyster Gates- Lead Guitar, Backing Vocals
• Zacky Vengance- Rhythm Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Backing Vocals
• Johnny Christ- Bass Guitar, Backing Vocals

* The Rev- Drums, Backing Vocals (Now deceased) (Hittingray (talk) 12:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

Genre...

lets get this straight nice and simple sounding the seventh trumpet and waking the fallen is obviously metalcore. city of evil hard rock metal. and the self titled the same. A7x also uses samples of punk and pop but mainly metal THEY SOUND NOTHING LIKE TRIVIUM more like bullet for my valentine —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.237.86 (talk) 12:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that I have no idea where you people are getting heavy metal from. The absolute CLOSEST Avenged gets to metal is probably alternative MAYBE in Scream and probably Unbound. Zacky V himself states Afterlife is pop rock. Everything else is hard rock on the self titled. They haven't done metalcore since the 2001-2004 or whenever they toured for Waking the Fallen.

Also there's some serious unecessary and inaccurate name dropping in the article. Early releases sounding like Bullet for my Valentine and TRIVIUM? I can understand some similarities between A7x and B4MV but TRIVIUM? Trivium is on the complete opposite side of the spectrum to A7x. Saying that they have ANYTHING in common is fairly inaccurate. Very biased article that would misinform the reader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

At the risk of sounding like I'm picking a fight here, I would say that a large section of the metal community (myself included) consider trivium bfmv avenged 7fold and others like them to be "pussy metal" and have many features in common. ie deliberately targeting teens, going for marketability, selling on their image, writing highly contrived songs (eg trivium's attrocious "audience sing along" section on we are the fire or whatever it was called). I'm not saying I don't like any of these bands' music, just that they're really not that different, and none of them are listed as metal in my media player. 86.133.163.20 (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Just about every media player has heavy metal and every sub-genre of heavy metal as Rock or Alternative Rock. Also you may consider metalcore as a lighter genre but it is equally as heavy sometimes. If you listen to STST (A7X) some of the songs are very heavy, but seriously, every band has a few soft songs so saying is calling bands like BMTH or Cannibal Corpse "pussy metal" as well. (Hittingray (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

Just because they aren't metal anymore (which they are, I'm being hypothetical) doesn't mean the genre should be removed. If they are or have at any point been that genre, it needs to be on that list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.17.22 (talk) 02:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to genres.63.3.17.130 (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)Bobit1363.3.17.130 (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The genre of heavy metal is open to dispute alot. One thing to remember all the time with 'metal' is that it is more than just a heavier version of rock. Metal drew from Rock, but also draws some qualities from classical and blues that rock did not. When listening to metal, you should notice that it differs from rock more then just on fullness of sound, speed, and/or intensity (sorry for sounding so official). When it is just heavier than rock, it's usually called 'alternative metal' or 'nu metal', note that alternative metal was named as an alternative to metal rather then metal, and nu metal was named as a new genre similar to metal but not being metal. When it lacks the other qualities and draws directly from punk rock its called 'hardcore' (when it does have those qualities its usually considered thrash metal). I'm no expert on avenged sevenfold because I only have one of their albums, but I hope some of you will take some consideration of this. 16:47, 30 May 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk)

Actually Scream is originally a punk (hardcore) trait and not metal. They like Bullet For My Valentine, Linkin Park & Similar are not Heavy Metal (and sub genres - power, thrash, death, black, progressive etc) but they are Nu Metal. Nu Metal is something that takes influence from the later success of Heavy Metal (Iron Maiden of late 80 - early 90s, Metallica, Faith No More etc) and combines it with other musics of the time. Imagewise Nu Metal followed more a Hardcore punk image as it was more acceptable to the masses of the time.

That's correct. Many people say that nü metal isn't metal because it's completely different than other metal genres. Nü metal bands also tend to draw from different fanbases and tend to become more mainstream than the others. I think nü metal evolved directly out of traditional heavy metal, that's why it's so different from other genres. The other genres mixed and influenced eachother as they developed, which makes sense because they have more of the same fanbase. Now all (or most) of the people who love the other metal genres don't consider nü metal a 'metal' genre. It may have drawn from heavy metal, but it also draws from hip hop and grunge. It's kind of like the other genres make up a solid continent like Africa and nü metal is an island on the side like madagascar. While most people consider madagascar part of the African continent, Africans probably feel like it's not a real member of the continent because it's not connected with everyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Slipknot = Nu Metal and I don't think you could not classify them as heavy metal. And I would consider BFMV as metal, have you actually listened to their stuff? Go listen to Linking Park's heaviest song then like Waking The Demon. You will see a large difference. And though Nu metal does draw from other genres you can barely even tell when listening to it, I believe bands like Korn and Slipknot are Nu. I would very much consider BFMV as metalcore. (Hittingray (talk) 11:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

GENRE

Thier genre is Rock/Pop. When you walk into the cd department of your local store that's where you will find them. Your options for genre are Rock/Pop, Country, Rap/Hip-Hop, World, Jazz, Soundtrack and Comedy.

@ The person above, the person below me is correct. It just may be where you live that's what it is as they don't have a "heavy metal" section, as it is not a popular genre and most places don't stock heavy metal CDs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hittingray (talk • contribs) 04:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Their genres are:

• Metalcore
• Post-hardcore (early)
• Alternative Metal (later)
• Progressive Metal

If anyone disagrees, just say so here. DUDE whoever wrote this bio on them is not very accurate. My opinion, I think, is accurate and breif so here, Sounding the 7th trumpet and Waking the Fallen were badass hardrock/metal and their new music suckscus they are now pop and anti-scream. GAY, old skool avenged ruled,. --↑ɻ⅞θʉɭђɥл₮₴Ṝ 23:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, they definitely used a form of heavy metal on City of Evil, as well as to a degree on Avenged Sevenfold. James25402 (talk) 10:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the person above me. And they are not anti-scream and pop. There IS a degree of metal in the self titled album but not much, though I believe they may be going back to the heaviness of "City of Evil" as their latest single "Nightmare" was heavier than every song on the self titled. (Hittingray (talk) 11:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

It should say on the main page, "Avenged Sevenfold is an American heavy metal / hard rock band from Orange Hills, California." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yankeefan921 (talk • contribs) 03:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC) While I don't personally feel they qualify as heavy metal overall, I will for one acknowledge that City of Evil had enough of a metal influence to warrant mentioning it in the info box. Metalcore doesn't fit, because not everything that in -some- way blends metal and hardcore is metalcore. Sludge metal bands often blend the two, yet they're not classed as metalcore. Personally, I'd say "post-hardcore" and some kind of "rock" tag are suitable, as is a basic "heavy metal" tag to go with their later works, I suppose. Prophaniti (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I would say their Genres are Metalcore, Heavy Metal, Alternative Metal, Hard Rock and on their new album M.Shadows stated that it will be Progressive Metal. On the first two albums they were Metalcore, before that they were a post-hardcore band, on City of Evil they made half the songs Speed Metal and half the songs more Heavy Metal. The Self-Titled album was Hard Rock with Critical Acclaim being Heavy Metal and showing actually a little bit of a Nu-Metal sound in "A Little Piece Of Heaven". They are not and never were Post-Hardcore! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

They don't have any Metalcore in them anymore. So someone tell me why Avenged Sevenfold should still be considered as such. Where the f*** do you see Nu-Metal in there ? Nu-Metal was an umbrella term for late 90's elitists to put everything that wasn't "true to the spirit of metal and steel" in the same basket. Speed Metal doesn't even exist anymore, it's either thrash or power. They are Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal to some degree. Honestly, it should be their sole niches. Those are their main influences anyway. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I'll be removing "Post-Hardcore" from the genre section on the page, because it is irrelevant to place Avenged Sevenfold in a genre with which they have strictly nothing in common. If you see how Avenged Sevenfold fits with From First To Last, Glassjaw or Enter Shikari, please do tell. I'll be happy to leave alone then. Just because they cater to the same crowds don't mean they are the same genres.PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Might I correct something here? The opening states "Avenged Sevenfold is an American hard rock band formed in Huntington Beach, California..." , I have great discomfort on keeping that since they sang mostly metal (metalcore, and recently, Heavy Metal) and almost no Hard Rock. Please dub them Heavy Metal (or at least metal) on the opening paragraph.--F-22 Raptor ^IV 04:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I disagree on the genre being metalcore, heavy metal, and hard rock. I would say metalcore, heavy metal, and alternative metal. I would call the first two albums metalcore, City of Evil heavy metal, and the self-titled album alternative metal. There are songs on that album that I would consider alternative metal, and the more hardcore songs Critical Acclaim (Metalcore) and Almost Easy (Heavy Metal) even out the less hardcore songs, like Unbound (The Wild Ride) (Heavy Metal) and Brompton Cocktail (Heavy Metal).

Anyways if you are wondering, these are what I consider are the genres for each song:

1. Critical Acclaim: Metalcore

2. Almost Easy: Thrash Metal

3. Scream: Alternative Metal

4. Afterlife: Alternative Metal

5. Gunslinger: Heavy Metal

6. Unbound (The Wild Ride): Heavy Metal

7. Brompton Cocktail: Heavy Metal

8. Lost: Heavy Metal

9. A Little Piece of Heaven: Nu Metal

10. Dear God: Country Rock (=/) Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh, I wouldn't think that their latest album is metalcore, Critical Acclaim is not as intenese as some of their other songs like Darkness Surrounding. Anyway, back to my argument. The opening statement I think should say that they are a metal band (metalcore, heavy metal) I don't care. They are not very Hard Rock--F-22 Raptor ^IV 22:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, well I was trying to say that the latest album is alternative metal. Zxcvghjk (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to discuss this, because I just don't want to make another edit to get attention. I'm saying overall, that Avenged Sevenfold is most, and if not, all of the heavy metal genre. I am not very sure on how hard rock got involved. Maybe in their latest albums, they did produce a few hard rock songs. But that does not make them a hard rock band like that. Regardless of my arguments with Zxcvghjk about specific albums, Metalcore and Alternative Metal are all subgenres of Heavy Metal.--F-22 Raptor ^IV 00:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I was just saying that the self-titled was alternative metal. I agree that overall, they are heavy metal. Zxcvghjk (talk) 20:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Heres how to break it down. On the first two demos that the band made, their genre was, Hardcore Punk. On the demo of Waking The Fallen, they changed their sound to Metalcore. They keep their genres as Metalcore from Warmness on the Soul, to Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, and Waking the Fallen. On City of Evil the band made a move towards Hard Rock, but they added features of Heavy Metal, so it became a mix of Heavy Metal & Hard Rock. Lastly, their latest album can't be classified as one distinct genre according to this interview:

Avenged Sevenfold interview w/Prime Video Magazine

But if the album had to be clasified, I'd say the closest thing it would be is, probably ALt. Metal/Hard Rock. The same goes for LBC. Bobit13 18:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Bobit13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobit13 (talk • contribs)

Since everyone can't really agree on this whole genre thing regarding the overall band, whether it is hard rock or metal, I have made them just rock, I probably should've mentioned this a little earlier.--F-22 Raptor ^IV 20:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I would say that their first two albums are Screamo, CoE Metalcore and The selftitled Heavy Metal... Please follow the links and read why--Arneandre (talk) 20:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

We have decided that the title will remain rock because of debate.--F-22 Raptor ^IV 23:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that it'd make more sense if it said Alternative Metal instead of Hard Rock, since the self-titled album still had some elements of metal in it, songs like Critical Acclaim and Afterlife for example. Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

"the band has chosen to abandon the metalcore genre, developing a more punk metal/thrash style, very much like bands such as Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium." Surely it's a bad idea, if you're saying that the band has abandoned the metalcore genre to then compare theeir newer sound to two metalcore bands? 62.254.12.119 (talk) 00:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Most of the sources point out that their newest album contains elements of hard rock and heavy metal. Do you have any sources to back you up?--F-22 Raptor ^IV 01:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I changed my minded, A7X is more like hard orck, they even said in an interview that they went more towards the rock genre in the newest album. Zxcvghjk (talk) 14:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I dont see A7X as being heavy metal. metal, yes but not heavy metal. There may be elements of heavy metal in a few of their songs but this doesnt mean that the band are Heavy metal overall. Mr Deathbat (talk) 08:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Their new album may have had a hard rock influence on it, but Avenged Sevenfold is still a metal band more than anything else! i don't see why people have to argue this so much because if you really listen to the music and the riffing they still use a lot of metal techniques as oppose to hard rock. A7X IS A METAL BAND. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrunchPuff (talk • contribs) 00:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Rock is a broad term that includes metal, hardcore, and alternative metal. If a genre is heavily disputed like this, it may be best to call it rock until a more steady agreement is reached. Obviously, A7x looks more like metal than simple rock to most people. It's heavily influenced by metal, but is not metal. It belongs to a subgenre that is influenced by metal, whether thats hardcore or alternative metal (or both) I'm not entirely sure. It should not be classified as heavy metal because hardcore and alternative metal aren't heavy metal anyway. If they were thrash metal, power metal, death metal, black metal, celtic metal, doom metal, etc it would be a different story. It's like calling the beatles a blues band, they use blues influences in their music and some of their songs can be called blues, but they're part of a genre thats influenced by blues rather than blues itself because their music is generally way different from other blues artists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk) 21:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but (to me, at least) you are coming off as a metal elitist. Everyone knows that the stereotypical 'metalhead' does not consider metalcore, nu metal, alternative metal, etc. as 'true' metal, but for encyclopaedic purposes, those genres are all sub-genres of heavy metal, so trying to argue otherwise is inaccurate. James25402 (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Metal draws on elements from blues and classical music that regualar rock music does not, so thats why i dont consider alternative and metalcore stuff to be metal. I just think if we can change 'heavy metal' to 'alternative metal' on there it would be more accurate. Up there I was just saying why avenged sevenfold doesn't meet heavy metal criteria as much as it meets alternative metal, and what I said about that was accurate was it not? It would satisfy the greater population to have the term 'heavy metal' changed to 'alternative metal' because we can all be satisfied with that. I'm not a metal elitist, don't worry. I like deathcore more than most genres of metal anyway.

Metalcore is, to simplify it, a combination of hardcore music and heavy metal. Therefore, to argue metalcore does not draw on elements of blues and classical music is inaccurate. The emphasis is not necessarily on these elements as these bands have other influences from hardcore punk to display as well, but most metalcore bands do draw on elements of blues and (to a lesser degree) classical music. I do not believe Avenged Sevenfold fit alternative metal at all and most sources attribute the band's later material to some form of heavy metal. James25402 (talk) 09:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, heavy metal it is. I just wanted to see if you thought they were alternative metal because I'm not good at making that distinction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.6.101 (talk) 13:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm just gonna go ahead and agree these guys have no business being classified as anything close to metal. However imo they do classify as hard rock, metalcore, and what was listed above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thier genre is Rock/Pop. When you walk into the cd department of your local store that's where you will find them. Your options for genre are Rock/Pop, Country, Rap/Hip-Hop, World, Jazz, Soundtrack and Comedy. One guy on here even broke down each song into it's own genre!!--Brian Earl Haines (talk) 17:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Do what Wikipedia editors always should do, go by what reliable sources say not your opinion. Look at the stories on The Rev's death by reliable mainstream media media and reliable music publications/journalists to see how they describe them. It is ok in the lead sentence to say "are a metalcore/hard rock" are a a "act that evolved from Metalcore to hard rock" etc. 15:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright what the hell is the deal with all the genre fighting? It's music. Who cares? Stop being so specific anyway, there's metal and rock and screamo and classic rock and country and like jazz and some shit. Anyone who is that strung out on genres to go as far as nu metal or whatever the fuck seriously needs a life.

After listening to the latest album(Nightmare), I believe that in some songs they have brought back some of their metalcore sound, some of it is even heavier than their previously heaviest, so I thought changing metalcore to "metalcore(early, recent)" is a good idea? Scottckr (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

matt wendt

who the hell is matt wendt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.140.215 (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Matt Wendt was Avenged Sevenfold's original bassist, he only recorded on the early demos though. NTurner42 —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Are there any references for this ? PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

A reference is the "All Excess" dvd a few years back by Avenged Sevenfold. Zacky talks about the inception of the band and Matt Wendt.ThickerThanWater19 (talk) 07:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Would it be right if i were to put matt wendt in the former members section in the info box Mr Deathbat (talk) 14:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Discography: Diamonds in the Rough

The link for Diamonds in the Rough in the Discography section of the Avenged Sevenfold page directs to the professional wrestling stable "The Diamonds in the Rough." I don't think it should be leading there...I'm just saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bspinebuster (talk • contribs) 01:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Credited for renewing interest in hard rock/heavy metal?

They are highly credited for bringing the traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound (that bands like Guns N' Roses and Metallica created) back to the public eye.

Would someone care to back this statement up with a citation? As far as I can see, a great deal of people still don't like the band due to their metalcore past and the fact they are pretty mainstream for a metal band, while a great deal of the band's detractors still believe the band have nothing to do with traditional heavy metal. I like the band, but it seems that a statement like this cannot go unsupported.

Also, how exactly did Guns N' Roses and Metallica create the (or even A) traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound? Surely that would be bands like Deep Purple, AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Black Sabbath... Making unsubstanstiated claims like this make the article look weaker. Metallica were never a traditional hard rock/heavy metal band, even though their sound from the early-late 90s resembled this style more than anything else. While they were closer to heavy metal than anything else, their form of heavy metal had more to do with slowed down thrash metal riffs than actual heavy metal. Their supposed 'hard rock' also had a great deal of influence from alternative music. James25402 (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Erm.... Isn't saying "a lot of people don't like the band" and then calling the band mainstream a bit contradictory? 96.39.166.159 (talk) 20:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone said they were pop rock. That would give them the same genre as the Jonas Brothers. They sound totally different so I changed the sentence stating that they were. Please don't vandalise the page like that! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, even though a reference would be a good idea, Avenged Sevenfold AND OTHERS are part of a batch of bands who brought back the heavier kinds of metal to the mainstream. You didn't hear much double-bass and drop-tuning on commercial radio before 2005 and City Of Evil kinda got out in the right time-frame. Around the same time Bullet For My Valentine, Bleeding Through, et al. all got an album out that rode the wave that Avenged Sevenfold started. Even earlier, Killswitch Engage and all the Massachusetts scene already had got some excellent coverage from major labels and publications. Those American bands should be credited with the return of metal in the mainstream and unfortunately for some, Avenged Sevenfold was one of the most visible. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, a reference is not just a good idea, it is a necessity. At present those statements are just one editors opinion. It also says in the article that they are important and influential, giving a reference that says nothing of the kind. I'm not a big fan of the band, so I'd rather not make too many edits for fear of sounding POV. But could someone sort out a couple of references? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.163.20 (talk) 13:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Diamonds in the Rough

Why hasn't anyone put the diamonds in the rough on the discography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddr-freak101 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC) It was but someone removed it! BlueGoat (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Well frankly, it doesn't belong there because that isn't an actual album, just a bunch of B-sides. Zxcvghjk (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Bassist Johnny Christ

He is the third bassist, unless I'm mistaken. Not the fourth, which it is listed under the Inception category under history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antmanx24 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

According to the current information relating to this mysterious "Matt Wendt" he seems to be the fourth. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Matt Wendt was on the All Excess DVD when they talk about the inception of the band. Johnny is the 4th bassist. ThickerThanWater19 (talk) 07:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent Single

{{editsemiprotected}} In the single's section,a single should be added. Avenged Sevenfold has come out with a recent single titled "Crossroads"

 Done Please consider the benifits registering an account. Best, HiDrNick! 20:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

New album planned

When Avenged Sevenfold recently played at my college, UCF, they announced that they'd be taking time off in the future to work on their next studio album. Should this be in the article? I don't have any solid sources, just what M Shadows said on stage that night. --CanesOL79 (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

It should not, because hearsay is not a solid reference by Wikipedia's standards. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 03:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

PICTURE

Somebody needs to change this picture of Avenged Sevenfold... In my boredom I check this page at least five times a week and I just want to see new (and better) picture!!!WaltDaMan (talk) 18:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that, It is such a lame picture, and it has been up September, the earliest I saw it.--F-22 Raptor ^IV 01:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I would change the picture but i don't know how to Mr Deathbat (talk) 14:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Wrong about Gigantour

""The band is also linked to with a slot on this summer's Gigantour. A Revolution In Sound will be available to download and purchase on February 16, 2009, with the track, "Paranoid".""

this statement should be removed unless proof is supplied, the drummer and bassist for Megadeth have said Avenged Sevenfold WILL NOT be on gigantour anytime soon in an interview that can be found on Blabbermouth.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.110.20 (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Irony in genre section

Has anyone else noticed the line "On City of Evil, Avenged Sevenfold's third album, the band has chosen to abandon the metalcore genre, developing a more punk metal/thrash style, very much like bands such as Bullet for My Valentine and Trivium." That sounds very ironic to me. Those bands are metalcore and we are saying that by abandoning Metalcore A7X became more like those bands? Can someone fix this odd statement? KezianAvenger (talk) 02:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't see why we need that in the article when it is unsupported, but I disagree that this statement is contradictory. Trivium are a combination of metalcore/thrash metal and Bullet (according to wikipedia, at least) are a combination of metalcore/heavy metal. I'd tend to think that Bullet are more a combination of metalcore/thrash/heavy metal, but with a slight edge towards being metalcore (although their latest album has a lot more of the latter two styles than their first release). Either way, A7X, Trivium and Bullet all went from being simply metalcore bands to incorporating other styles into the mix and drastically cutting down the use of the metalcore style. James25402 (talk) 21:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Chainsaw/New Song Hoax=

Pretty sure this is a hoax, only ONE person has mentioned it on their myspace, I have them added was on all day today and NEVER saw anything about it.

"On April 16, 2009, new Avenged Sevenfold song titled "Unwind the Chainsaw" was embedded onto the band's website, by surprising fans with a preview of the song. Fans got a chance to hear the song stream, while they browsed the site. Avenged Sevenfold guitarist had a conversation with fans on the band's official MySpace profile, claiming the title to be "Unwind the Chainsaw". The song is said to be released on the upcoming Avenged Sevenfold album." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.110.20 (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Avenged sevenfold is from Memphis, Tennessee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.150.36.225 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No Avenged Sevenfold are from Huntingdon Beach, California. Mr Deathbat (talk) 09:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I saw a youtube video of them performing a preview of Unwind The Chainsaw live XxPapaRoach315xX —Preceding undated comment added 04:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC).

Three days grace?

The way this is stated sounds incredibly retarded. "No reps have got back to us on this" Why would that be in the article.

On April 20, 2009, frontman of Canadian band Three Days Grace was said to be in the studio with Matt. Adam Gontier of Three Days Grace has wrote "In the studio with Matt from A7X...sweet!". No reps have got back to us on this, but it was said on Adam's official Bebo profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatDarnBandit (talk • contribs) 06:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

This Sounds Pretty B.A. Stan Fryman (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Rock band

Avenged Sevenfold should be considered a "rock band" on the run-on in the article, for one, heavy metal is simply a subgenre of rock music. For two, it's mostly opinionated, and newcoming editors continuously changing "rock" to "heavy metal" is getting rather annoying. For the most part websites such as about.com has claimed them as "moving away from heavy metal and more into hard rock"[1] even in the allmusic review for A7X's sefl-titled album has claimed them as "pushing songs from the album into the non-metal territory"[2]. Avenged Sevenfold should be refered to as a "rock band", nothing more, nothing less. -- GunMetal Angel 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. By saying 'moving away from heavy metal and more into hard rock' could simply mean more than in the past. It does not in any way say that Avenged Sevenfold are more of a hard rock band than a heavy metal band. There are plenty of other sources which would disagree with this, too.

While you are correct that 'rock band' would be more neutral, I have yet to see any evidence that Avenged Sevenfold are regarded in the media as a rock band anywhere near as much as a metal band. Two of the bands main genres, heavy metal and metalcore, are metal genres as well. I would advise we change the opening to metal, as a great deal of the band's detractors hate the band for previously being 'metalcore', which is what a lot of people still associate with the band. Plain and simple. James25402 (talk) 11:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Metalcore and heavy metal are not two of the band's main genres. The traces of metalcore died out when their third album City of Evil was released. More accordingly hard rock and heavy metal are the two main genres of Avenged Sevevnfold, and upon all this is still all opinions while reliable sources such as about.com or allmusic has confirmed their hard rock traces as for heavy metal, only about 3 or 4 songs from their latest album can be considered metal, and even so, heavy metal is plainly a subgenre of rock music. - GunMetal Angel

Yeah, but so if the first three albums were all completely metal with the self titled being the only one which could be consider slighty more hard rock influenced (even though i would still consider it metal) that means the majority of their work would be metal so they should be referred to as a metal band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrunchPuff (talk • contribs) 00:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Even songs from City of Evil can be considered hard rock in general, but yes, there's no denying that a majority of the songs are from heavy metal charateristics (especially "Beast and the Harlot") although the whole general term for a "rock band" should apply to a band such as this. And this article isn't just by itself, I mean, look at Disturbed, almost everything that they have made is considered metal, but the lead stays as a "rock band". • GunMetal Angel 00:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes and i think that disturbed should be changed too. and you always change my stuff back but who are you to be the one to say what goes up there and what doesnt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrunchPuff (talk • contribs) 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Removal of the "Band name and lyrical content" section

Currently, the section has no reliable sources, and exclusively uses original research. Third party, reliable sources need to have reported on the lyrical content for it to meet encyclopedic standards. Most of the information can be implemented in other sections -- particularly in pages for the respective songs -- but on its own, the section doesn't add anything. I've done some rewriting on the page, and included the origination of the band name in the "Inception" section. I'm removing the section. Svernon19 (talk) 01:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Nomination

I have looked at the guide lines for nominating an article for GA and I think this can pass. Anyone object to it being nominated? KezianAvenger (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

A word of advice: Get to work on the article now. It is near the quick fail criteria. There are some unreliable sources within the article and many many many unsourced statements, the lead is too small, and there is some info that can be removed plus some new needs to be added. I like the band and would rather this not fail a GA nomination. So if you don't want it to fail, I suggest getting to work because in the current state, I would quick fail it if I was to take up the review.--WillC 12:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Fix of Grammar

In the first paragraph, after the TOC box (or whatever it is), this is posted: "...although it is not a religious band."

Shouldn't the "it is" be changed to "they are"?

P.S. I can't edit the article, hence why I am asking. 72.75.198.51 (talk) 00:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Missing Album

Waking the Fallen Is the second album by Avenged Sevenfold. The album was released on August 26, 2003 by Hopeless Records. It is the last Avenged Sevenfold album to feature their metalcore sound, although there are much more clean vocals on this album than their first release, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. Waking the Fallen was Avenged Sevenfold's first album to feature Johnny Christ on bass as well as the first to feature the full current line-up, after Daemon Ash's Departure. The album was certified gold on July 15, 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_the_Fallen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.101.186 (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Biblical Stance/References?

I was wondering if people would consider working on a section with the information about their Biblical References...both in their songs, band member names, and even the name Avenged Sevenfold.

I know they claim to have no religious ties, but it'd be interesting to have a section about the religious aspects discussed in their songs and the background on their band in relation to religion. --Huper Phuff ^talk 00:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay I re-added the section under Musical Characteristics that talked about the band name and lyrical content...I think it serves and important purpose in the article. It might have been lost when the article was vandalized :\ --Huper Phuff ^talk 00:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Avenged Sevenfold/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Quick-fail. Several passages in the section history are confusing. This article is short for a mainstream band, and needs to be expanded [and later summarized to include only the most relevant facts]. The section "Inception (1999–2004)", may lacks of major aspects about the band's formation. This article also needs to incorporate information about the development of the band's albums, the response of the music critics, better coverage of their tours, etc.--Cannibaloki 23:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, There are a lot of question marks there. You could have checked for a lot of these things and it looks like you didn't. KezianAvenger (talk) 12:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Allow me to explain this better for anyone who doesn't quite understand it all. 1. It's confusing in places. 2. Lack of sources, We can easily fix this. 3. Unsure of how broadly it covers the topic. 4. It is Neutral. 5. Unsure of stability. (It is stable though) 6. Images are legal but could use captions and one or two more. 7. Quick-Failed due to being confusing and short for such a mainstream band. KezianAvenger (talk) 12:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

New live DVD?

I read a new live DVD in the article but I can't find any information on this on youtube or on some search engines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.225.47 (talk) 20:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have a source for this new live DVD? I'm removing it until someone has a source. KezianAvenger (talk) 11:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like unconfirmed rumour at best - definitely not article-worthy at this point, if it even exists at all. ~ mazca ^talk 20:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

New Album?

Hey has anyone heard anything about the new album that they say they're working on. All I know is that they said it was going to be heavy and that they were going to go back to making hard rock songs that were "longer and grittier". They said they were going to go into the studio a month ago but I haven't heard anything. Has anyone heard anything worthy enough of starting an article about? September 21, 2009 MJM

Yh on 5 Nov i got a message from facebook from the avenged sevenfold page. It said album update from zacky v and all this is from the message- It has been awhile since we have shed light on our current doings. Well here is a long awaited update into the world of A7X..

We came off of the road amidst one of the most turbulent times in history. Everything going on around us was overwhelming, frightening, frustrating and confusing. I must confess that it was also very exciting to me. I’m sure you can share my sentiment. We have been focused on only one thing, writing and preparing to record what to me is our most personal and epic Avenged Sevenfold album. The reason is the fact that everything happening around us in the entire world might be a once in a life time source of inspiration and direction. We have been harnessing every aspect of what makes A7X truly unrelenting and building off of that. I don’t think we sleep too much anymore because of the excitement we feel while writing this album. Only a world spinning out of control could inspire the music and vision we have now. Once again it is fucking exciting. We will continue finalizing our songs until we feel every note does both You as well as Us justice. We are also in the final stages of solidifying our production team, studios and engineers so that the second the axe falls and the album is written we will spend day and night in the studio until it is complete. This album will definitely take you on a very dark journey... Sincerely Zacky Vengeance

Instrument Cleanup

Is it absolutely necessary to list all of the instruments the band members are capable of playing? I can understand listing them all on their individual page, but not the A7X page, unless, they have recently played the instrument live or on an album, and not 8 years ago.

I think the new description should be like this

• M.Shadows- Lead vocals, piano
• Synyster Gates- Lead guitar, backing vocals
• Zacky Vengance- Rhythm guitar, acoustic guitar, backing vocals
• Johnny Christ- Bass guitar, acoustic bass, backing vocals
• The Rev- Drums, percussion, backing vocals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.167.241.26 (talk) 01:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

On December 28th, 2009, James Owen Sullivan aka "The Rev", was found dead in his home. An autopsy was scheduled the following day. The results of that autopsy were released as inconclusive, so several more tests have been requested, which will take several weeks to complete. Meanwhile, no funeral arrangements have been made.UGA Wantagh (talk) 04:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The death of The Rev section

This section has a typo on the date of the Kerrang! magazine published featuring the article on the death of Jimmy Sullivan is states the article was published on January 13, 2009 instead of 2010 XxPapaRoach315xX

Also, some of the quotes are missing proper punctuation/lacking consistency with quotation mark usage. There's a missing one in the 2nd quote. And if you're going to use it to encapsulate entire quotes for one of them you might as well do it for all of them and change any internals to the single ' mark. -Dean —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanLo (talk • contribs) 14:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

mmkay:regarding Avenged Sevenfold :D

what the fuck???? whoever put The Rev on former members can suck my goddamn ass.I mean,he's always and will be a member of avenged sevenfold. so fuck you. fuck you hard.

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got somethin to say? I don't give a goddamn,cause your a fuckass.

thats like saying the metallica page should still have cliff burton under current members. the rev will be missed, but, unfortunately, if your dead, you can't be a member of a band —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dethrider304 (talk • contribs) 03:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Joey Jordison doing drum sessions. Ok what the fuck are you on about there using Mike Portnoy of dream theatre not joey fucking jordison DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE PUTTING SOME RANDOM SHIT ON.

Studio Members

Joey Jordison is NOT drumming on their next record, Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater is. This was confirmed on both Avenged Sevenfold's official website and Mike Portnoys official forums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surge24 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

M. Shadows

Technically, M. Shadows contributes vocals and piano to the band, whereas the graph only says lead vocals. This is apparent in the Live at the LBC movie, where he plays the organ to start Critical Acclaim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zair888 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

He also played the keyboard for Warmness on the Soul (Hittingray (talk) 11:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

Didn't The Rev play the piano/keyboard on Warmness on the Soul? Daarikon (talk) 02:28, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

members

they have a temprorary member at the moment by the name of Mike Portnoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.232.165.1 (talk) 04:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

in former members, the word "deceased" should be added to The Rev's --paoez (talk) 23:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Possibly only for the album recordings --Thegreene2010 (talk) 17:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Live in the LBC & Diamonds in the Rough (2008—2009)

This section contains material unrelated to the section title. The second paragraph states: "During a sold-out festival performance in Leeds and Reading, the band were forced to shorten their Leeds performance and cancel their Reading performance due to a vocal strain sustained by M. Shadows.[28] A few days later, the band was forced to announce the cancellation of the remaining September shows, with the tour set to resume again on October 15.[29]" This paragraph should be erased or moved to another more appropriate section, such as the Self titled album touring information. It has nothing to do with the Diamonds in the Rough DVD/CD or even the Taste of Chaos tour on which the DVD was filmed.

Further, I believe the Diamonds in the Rough section should contain information on the number of copies sold. Diamonds in the Rough has gone video platinum by selling 100,000+ copies. "RIAA Searchable Database - Search for Avenged Sevenfold" Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved on March 15, 2010Airguitar98 (talk) 09:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Inception (1999-2004)

This section should be broken into 3 main sections: Formation of the Band, Early years and Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, and Waking the Fallen. Airguitar98 (talk) 09:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Eternal Soldiers

A lot of people are saying this is the new album name, are there any sources? 90.199.56.149 (talk) 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

fifth studio album

{{editsemiprotected}} The official website AND the band's myspace have changed to depict a static-y white Deathbat on a black background with white noise playing:

http://www.avengedsevenfold.com

http://www.myspace.com/avengedsevenfold

http://twitter.com/TheOfficialA7X

The A7X Twitter says: "It's Coming..." AvengedSevenfold.com #avengedsevenfold 3:08 PM Apr 29th via web

This is the same time that the website changed to the image described above, and this is obviously a tease for the album's release.

 Not done: trivial information.Spitfire19 (Talk) 19:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

New Member

{{editsemiprotected}} MIKE PORTNOY WILL BE DRUMMING WITH A7X After having had such an amazing experience recording my drum tracks for the new Avenged Sevenfold album, we all knew it would be awesome if I'd be able to do some touring with the band after its release.....

By: Avenged Sevenfold Zynyster (talk) 00:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 01:28, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Mike Portnoy is NOT a member of A7X. He released a statement with the following: "Although I wish I could stay on board with A7X in a more permanent capacity, the reality is that I am committed to Dream Theater as my main priority" and "You can look at me like the band's 'rebound drummer' to buy them some time until they are comfortable and ready to make a commitment to somebody new for full-time relationship in their future." The statement can be read at http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=55653 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.202.183 (talk) 01:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

New single 'Nightmare'

Anybody gonna add this in with it's release date, and add it in the A7X template? Here are some sources:

http://espyrock.com/2010/05/avenged-sevenfold-select-release-date-and-pick-nightmare-as-the-first-single-12040/

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/mike-portnoy-to-drum-for-avenged-sevenfold-throughout-2010/

http://deathbatnews.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/youll-have-a-nightmare-on-may-18th/

Not sure if they're reliable and fit under the criteria though. 24.141.7.98 (talk) 00:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.avengedsevenfold.com/Avenged sevenfold's new single "Nightmare" will be on itunes and mp3's on May 18th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.29.160.250 (talk) 19:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The member section should say 1999-2010 (deceased) !!

The member section should say 1999-2010 (deceased) so it's 100% clear that he isnt in the band anymore because he died! —Preceding unsigned comment added by A7xfighter (talk • contribs) 13:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you. I tried adding it once, but it was removed not long after. *shrugs* Zadion (talk) 05:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Yankeefan9213, 16 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Avenged Sevenfold should be considered a heavy metal band, not a rock band.

Yankeefan9213 (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: Welcome. Please detail your request to a 'please change X to Y' degree and include references for factual changes. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 18:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Sub.section, Fifth Album - Nightmare

Please edit the sub.section of The Death of Rev, and the album Nightmare, this info is so diferent, create a new sub-section or new section.UltraHeadShot (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC).

NIghtmare album name

people have been saying this is going to be the new album name —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kidwithamind (talk • contribs) 15:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ormojo, 25 May 2010 THE REV - DECEASED

{{editsemiprotected}} Please could you add '(Deceased)' to the end of The Revs name under former members as it is more appropriate. Thanks.

Ormojo (talk) 18:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done:His death is already mentioned in it's own section. Status is not appropriate in infobox. SpigotMap 18:53, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

The albums

They forgot the sounding of the seventh trumpet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.223.204.134 (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ballandchain722, 1 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} please remove Good Charlotte as an associated act for this band. They are completely different acts and should not be linked to each other in any way. Good Charlotte is a pop punk act and Avenged Sevenfold is a Rock band, although they have gotten a bit soft lately, they are still not a pop punk band.

Ballandchain722 (talk) 22:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done. See diff. I'm not familiar with the band, but there was no reference anyway so it seems reasonable. If anyone disagrees, discuss here. Robert Skyhawk ^{(T C B)} 23:20, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold's M. Shadows and Synyster Gates were featured in Good Charlotte's song The River.Supahshadow (talk) 22:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll add Good Charlotte back to the associated acts now. If anyone is against this, say something here.Supahshadow (talk) 23:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Two of the members were featured in one song, that doesn't make them associated. ×××BrightBlackHeaven^(talk)××× 08:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

In the thank-you section of the booklet for Avenged Sevenfold's CD (Can't remember which one, will tell you when I find out) they thank the guys from Good Charlotte. They are obviously friends also the fact that they are in the music video does make them associated doesn't it? Daarikon (talk) 02:57, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Nightmare Album Release Date

{{editsemiprotected}} In the second paragraph the release date for their upcoming album Nightmare should be July 27th, 2010.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —fetch·comms 21:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

DUHH!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markwjak25 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Pulpowski, 11 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I guess someone wrote Tiwtter. I want to change it to Twitter.

Pulpowski (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 12:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

the members chart bar graph thingy

Never tried to edit one myself, but someone should put The Rev back on it....seeing as it lists former and current members, his absence is odd.

And we need to come up with a better title for Portnoy's role. "Studio and live members"....sounds like what the rest of the band do. Additional musician perhaps? Possibly even a backing musician? (The Elfoid (talk) 06:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC))

Small typo, but this page is locked

It spells behavior in the British fashion (with a u) when quoting M. Shadows in the new album section. He's not British, so shouldn't it be the American way?

Genre

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gifwxzyhldke

The genres displayed on AllMusic are:

• Heavy metal
• Alternative metal
• Post-Hardcore
• Alternative rock
• Emo
• Rock

No such thing as Hard rock listed for them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.70.8 (talk) 23:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Daarikon, 1 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Hey is the fact that Synyster Gates and M. Shadows performed on the music video for the song: "The River" by Good Charlotte enough to make them an "associated act"?

edit: They play on the song as well. Just thought I would clear that up. Don't know if that is relevant or not —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daarikon (talk • contribs) 02:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Daarikon (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done I would think so. I've added them to the list of associated acts, but if someone more familiar with music/band articles thinks otherwise, they are free to remove. --ANowlin: talk 02:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Daarikon, 1, August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Should there be anything to do with them going to be headlining a tour with Disturbed later this year? Daarikon (talk) 06:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

edit: In the section about Nightmare put in that they will be touring with Disturbed later this year and that Mike Portnoy will be joining them. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_tours/disturbed_avenged_sevenfold_lead_rockstar_uproar_fest.html Daarikon (talk) 06:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Daarikon (talk) 06:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --ANowlin: talk 06:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --ANowlin: talk 06:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Adrisundead, 5 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Hello, I'd like to point out that the article about "Avenged Sevenfold" needs a tiny update, specifically on the last sentence of the "Aftermath" paragraph, where it talks about sales projections for their newest album. Their album has now been released and it became the band's first No. 1 debut on the "Billboard 200 albums" chart, selling 163000 copies of the album on the first week.

Source: http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i33196e5b482225222fc6fa25b154de7d

Adrisundead (talk) 04:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done Dabomb87 (talk) 14:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

genre allmusic

I have added an article on the genres Allmusic, they do not differ greatly from what it was before. Are there any objections? Mistery Spectre (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Wheres metalcore? How is Waking the Fallen and STST NOT metalcore? They could be other genres but mostly metalcore. 24.141.7.98 (talk) 20:39, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes there is a problem. Metalcore is not added. And Allmusics genres are not reliable because Avenged Sevenfold is not Emo or Post-Hardcore. Emo and Post-Hardcore bands are bands such as The used, Escape the fate, aiden, and more bands like that. Avenged Sevenfold are simply Heavy Metal, hard rock, and metalcore (early) and should be left as that. 98.150.14.245 (talk) 21:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

"Unreliable source, because I do not agree with him - not an argument. Personally, I can not understand how they differ from other melodic metalcore groups, such as Atreyu. There are other sources? Mistery Spectre (talk) 00:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

These genres majorly differ from what they were listed as previously.And if you look at almost every other genre debate on wikipedia where someone has used Allmusic's genre listings, you'll see that among the users Allmusic is generally considered an unreliable source. The genres should be changed back for that reason. And could you also explain what you meant by not understanding how they differ from other melodic metalcore groups, such as Atreyu? KezianAvenger™ 03:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I meant that in my opinion the band's sound is very similar to each other. Although the question, if I did not add metalcore as a genre. But if you look seriously at the issue, then I will not be against if you take away emo and post-hardcore is just such a complex issue. An alternative and heavy metal hope descend? And if you can question, but what mainly claim to Allmusic? We considered it quite even. Mistery Spectre (talk) 05:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold aren't Heavy Metal. Heavy Metal is bands such as Judas Priest etc. Daarikon (talk) 01:00, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Source on this? So far I've only heard of - the band plays it, the band just played it, but no sources and did not give Mistery Spectre (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Genre

Who the hell changed the genre?! I'm so f**king annoyed at that... 94.5.164.124 (talk) 01:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

really. Where is metalcore? what about the first two albums? what about all these sources? I metalcore, heavy metal and post-hardcore (and maybe alternative metal) are the right and "more sourced" genres. Please do a RfC for this.Solino_{the Wolf} 09:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Mike Portnoy

Referring to Mike Portnoy as a session musician is completely unacceptable. He's The Rev's drum-hero. The 2nd youngest drummer (after Neil Peart) to ever entered the Drummer's Hall of Fame. Listed 8th by Rolling Stone's magazine as the best drummer of all time (not to mention the many, many awards he won from his peers in drumming magazines)... He's a living legend. Even Jimmie would be pissed off if he'd read this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.209.44 (talk) 18:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

the Deathbat

somebody needs to add Nightmare to the deathbat article where it says that the deathbat is sometimes a skeleton with wings as seen on the cover of City Of Evil. because the skeleton on the cover of Nightmare is a deathbat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devil to the metal666 (talk • contribs) 07:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.18.4.232, 31 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I think for the Members section Mike Portnoy should be added. He is the drummer and deserves to be in the bio of the band.

99.18.4.232 (talk) 03:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I have declined the editreuest for now. He is mentioned as a "studio" member later on. Get consensus on this talk page and use the tag again.--Commander Keane (talk) 04:36, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Move The Rev from Former Member to Members

The rev should be move from former members to members as he is still counted as a member on the Avenged Sevenfold Website —Preceding unsigned comment added by JK464 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Doesnt really matter, if you're dead how can you still possibly be a member of something? I'm sorry, but it's just common sense. 24.141.7.98 (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Avenged only have him as a member still because they feel he hasn't truly gone, but I agree he should be in the former members section 94.3.32.55 (talk) 09:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Until A7x finds a replacing permanent drummer, The Rev will be listed on the band's MySpace/Website/Facebook etc. as the drummer. However it's safe to conclude due to his death, he is not an active member. Therefore he cannot be placed in the current member section. Kevon100 ^Talk! _{If you're ❺❺❺ then I'm ❻❻❻} 00:02, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I firmly believe that Jimmy will always be part of Avenged. the guys have said that he will always be and i think that it should be with what the band says. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FoREVera7x94 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Portnoy leaves Dream Theatre

Should it be added that Mike Portnoy left Dream Theatre to work on his "side-projects" full-time? He may become A7X's full-time drummer. Stonesour025 (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

This is merely speculation. Yes, Portnoy has left Dream Theater but this has nothing to do with Avenged Sevenfold. It is speculated that Portnoy "may" join Avenged Sevenfold as a permanent member, or he "may" not. This should not be added to the article unless it can be confirmed by a reliable source that indeed Portnoy has joined as a full-time musician. Please refrain from having his Dream Theater affairs in the Avenged Sevenfold article. As of now, Mike Portnoy is still a touring musician for Avenged Sevenfold until the end of 2010. Kevon100 ^Talk! _{If you're ❺❺❺ then I'm ❻❻❻} 00:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

The Rev

Long live The Rev!!

FoREVer!

Created by, Hava Toobian

You can't stop me, nah you can't stop me. Just sit back, amazed, and just watch me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.2.157 (talk) 01:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Murders, 16 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} I want to edit the pictures in the "Timeline", because I know that:

• Justin Sane joined until the end of 2001 because he appeared in every show of Avenged Sevenfold until end of 2001.
• Dameon Ash joined from 2002 and are willing in making the re-release album Sounding the Seventh Trumpet.
• Johnny Christ joined in 2003 when Dameon Ash left the band

So please, allow me to help edit this page, Thank You.

Murders (talk) 05:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to help. The {{Edit semi-protected}} template doesn't work that way, though - it merely allows you to request a specific change which one of your fellow editors will implement for you, unless there is a good reason not to. The request needs to detail the change in a 'please change X to Y' manner and needs to include reliable sources for any factual change. Since you've chosen to register, you can also wait two more days and become able to edit semiprotected articles yourself. Either way, welcome and thanks again, Celestra (talk) 13:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Is Avenged Sevenfold breaking up?

Rumors of Avenged Sevnefold are floating around that they may break up after the Nightmare Tour, can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?