Talk:Hoshi Sato

A note from a Japanese
Her proper name should be "Hoshi-ko" or "Hoshi-mi" or something similar as mere "Hoshi" sounds clipped and too much like a surname. Check Japanese name for more information.

A personal observation and may not be something that should be here

-- Revth 08:44, 1 Mar 2004
Yes, how she's called in the Japanese-dubbed or subtitled version word be of interest, but changing her name from how she's called on the show would be a factual inaccuracy.

In a related matter, i made a lightly educated guess that her ethnic background is no more identified than was Lt. Uhura's, and that there has thus been now occasion for the liteal meaning of "Hoshi" to be revealed to the audience. If my guess is wrong, someone can come up with better wording, but IMO the article can't mention the meaning without indicating whether that meaning has been made part of the show.
--Jerzy(t) 21:20, 2005 Jan 26 (UTC)

Tone

I tagged the article for cleanup on tone, and another editor removed it with the summary

removed inappropriate cleanup-tone notice which is not applicable

My main concern was the un-'pedic, PR-release (or fan-cruft?) wording

To judge from her name, she was destined to live in space

"Maybe this is fate"? No, she's a fictional character; there's no doubt about the relationship between her name and her bio, which is that she is written as someone the Japanese-savvy viewer should regard as destined. The tone must keep the relationshp with reality crystal clear.

While it did not come from that editor's contribs, tolerance of the language i have now changed proves the need for many eyeballs.

This time around, let the tone tag survive several edits that seem to be in response to it, or a fresh editor who makes tone changes that they consider definitive enough that they remove the tag, or a couple months, before someone who's previously edited the article removes it.
--Jerzy(t) 21:20, 2005 Jan 26 (UTC)

Universal Translator

I have removed this from the article: She invented the universal translator which allows beings from virtually any species to communicate with any other.

From what canon source can this be attributed? She was a young ensign, using the UT throughout the series. You might think that the inventor of the UT could have retired to a tropical island somewhere with all of the royalties of such an extraordinary invention. At the very least, they might have given her a promotion to Lt. Did I miss an epsiode somewhere??? I don't recall any mention of her having invented the very thing that she was using on a day to day basis. func(talk) 18:15, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

It was in "Demons". She invented the upgraded UT, at least. Her file from the regular-universe Defiant also claimed that she invented it. Adam Bishop 19:55, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

"Fight or Flight" also stated outright that she invented the UT. I'll put the reference back if it hasn't already been restored. 23skidoo 23:15, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Sigh...look, I don't own the DVDs yet, so I have no way of looking this up, but what I seem to recall from Fight or Flight was that she was having difficulties with the UT, ie: I have no problem with us talking about how Hoshi upgraded things, but she did not invent the thing. Does anyone have an actual quote from the episode in which it is "stated outright that she invented the UT"? func(talk) 03:28, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

There is a line from Archer in which he is talking to Hoshi about "your Universal Translator", plus it's obvious from this episode and other early ones that the UT is still experimental. If that doesn't satisfy the burden of proof, let me turn your question back at you: is there is line of dialogue from any Trek episode in which it is stated that she did not invent the UT? Remember fanon doesn't count here, so if there's a novel or comic book or even a piece of printed reference material out there that gives the credit to someone else, it has to be ignored. Ditto for the invention of the transporter as per "Daedalus". 23skidoo 05:29, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hoshi's birth year

Where did Hoshi's birth year come from? Is this included in the Defiant information? If it's speculation it should be noted as such. 23skidoo 23:15, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Inventor of the universal translator?

You guys do of course realize she was never established as the inventor of the universal translator... in fact, from what can be seen, she likely prefers not to use it, being a skilled linguist. See the Memory Alpha pages on the UT and Hoshi Sato for more info. --172.153.237.221 06:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I do believe it is stated outright in either Broken Bow or Fight or Flight that she did indeed invent the device. And there's no evidence to suggest she doesn't like using it -- quite the contrary, she freaks on the few occasions in which she is called upon to translate without it. 23skidoo 06:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)