Talk:Deinstitutionalisation

Aricle improvements

Article looks OK, probably could use some flow improvements. Also:

• I've got a few sources stating that deinstitutionalization has really only moved inmates from state hospitals to prisons. Meaning, they were released, now those diagnosed with mental illness commit crimes, move into prisons, can't follow prison rules due to their mental illness, get moved to in-prison psych wards or mental health treatment areas. Considering 15% of prisoners in the U.S. have been diagnosed with a mental illness, it seems like an important thing to mention for this article.

Thoughts? Chupper 19:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The article doesn't look OK to me. Perhaps we should say something about de-institutionalization in general, not just how the principle has been applied to the dissolution of lunatic asylums. See for example, Ivan Illich. Chupper, you have an interesting comment. If you can cite your sources, please add to the article. I think so-called de-institutionalization was doomed to failure, as it has confused buildings with institutions. The policy was built on a category mistake. --Publunch 01:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

ALIMAN SEARS SAYS: There's one inaccuracy: The population involved in deinstitutionalization was primarly the mentally ill (SPMI) and only secondarily the developmentally disabled. Thus I amended the article to include the MI aspect. Also, Chupper, pls. realize it's too much of simplification to say de-inst. moved folks from state hospitals to prisons. Also, stats clearly show that members of the mentally ill population are more often VICTIMS of crime rather than PERPETRATORS. The "medical model" is moving out, and the "recovery model" is moving in. See my blog: http://recovery-model-aliman.blogspot.com/2008/01/what-is-recovery-model.html. Aloha, Aliman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliman (talk • contribs) 10:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks guys for your comments. Once I get some time I'll throw in some cites, and try to get working on this article too. You also bring up a good point Aliman about the simplicity of my previous statement. You're right, there is more to it than that - but that was probably the bottom line. Saying that they are not in prisons - I would have to disagree. I work in a prison and the numbers estimating populations of people with mental disorders are probably being conservative and may be higher than they really are. I know that comment is original research, but probably no more OR than your blog - which I also took a look at - its interesting. FYI, though, I hate the term medical model and I don't think anyone in the field, clinically or academically, seriously labels their treatment as a "medical model." This recovery model, as you define it, may already be in place for those suffering mild conditions. No matter what your "model", most mental health professionals are trying to get the person to be able to function in life - not just to treat the symptoms. ANyway, I'm not sure if that debate is necessary here at this article though. Maybe something for mental health or another topic. Chupper (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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Some changes

I came to this article doing some research for my personal journal. I have a relative in one of the few remaining "institutions." The article needs some work. First, nobody correctly defines institutionalization, or finds the first uses of the term, next key motivations and interested parties are not addressed. There is no mention of "warehousing" or mention of psychiatric successes that led people to concentrate mentally retarded and mentally ill into locations where they could access care and be protected, as opposed to being victimized, homeless, or in prison. There is little mention of the abuses of the system and no mention of the political will it took to stop this process. Though I don't remember specifics, I do remmember that several presidential candidates and presidents have spoke to this issue in stirring terms, regarding the need to change the well-intentioned but misguided trend toward institutionalization and medicalization. This should be a great, informative article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flkevin (talk • contribs) 06:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)