Talk:Salvatore Giunta

Ethnicity?

Hi, I was wondering if he is hispanic because the name Giunta sounds and looks like a hispanic name? Thx. 72.205.33.223 (talk) 03:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)proudlatino

Probably Italian. Especially with the name of "Salvatore". Everard Proudfoot (talk)

Probably is not sufficient to add this information to the article as either content or as a category. This type of info requires a reference. See WP:OR and WP:BLPCAT. 71.221.98.202 (talk) 04:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Where did I suggest that this information be added to the article? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 19:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

You didn't - someone else did add it as a category to the article though and I am giving the reason for why it was removed. 71.221.98.202 (talk) 21:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The name is clearly Italian, as is his brother's (Mario); he looks Italian too. However, it doesn't look like any news outlet explicitly mentioned his ethnicity, so there is no reference at the moment. 79.2.247.127 (talk) 18:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

he's american. nothing else. Friendlyrph (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2010 (UTC)friendlyrph.

And unless and until there is a reference from a reliable source that explicitly states any ethnicity, any mention of ethnicity does not belong anywhere in the article. Personal speculation about names and appearance is prohibited original research. 71.214.57.78 (talk) 22:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but your doubts are just out of place. "Salvatore" and "Giunta" are clearly italian. The origin of the name is sicilian. Although a reference is clearly not necessary to prove the obvious, i will put the link to a italian source (the newspaper of Vicenza, town where he's based). Hawk21 (talk) 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Awards and badges

presentation of awards, badges, and citations

This is a very important historical occasion. DoD should have listed his service medals by now, they have not. I know some of them, but if an expert could decode the salad on his chest it would be helpful. 98.26.121.14 (talk) 00:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

If someone is going to list all of his awards, I suggest you created a new section. Listing them all in the Infobox would look very bad. Look at the article Jason Dunham for further guidance as it does what I'm saying.Philipmj24 (talk) 00:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Based on the picture I know what all the medals, ribbons and awards are but Im not sure I can use the image as a source. --Kumioko (talk) 01:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree with Philip that medal imagery should go into the body of the article instead of the infobox. In the infobox the size of the imagery can be restrained. The problem is that editors can't seem to resist using the article whitespace to add medal and badge imagery as if they are pinning it on the subject's chest. Look at Gary Gordon and you see his decorations rather neatly noted in the infobox. Then they are repeated rather gaudily in the article, and in a fashion that adds to the article length without adding any new information. Keep it in the infobox.Bdell555 (talk) 04:16, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

That said, and with thanks to the comment below, I don't think we need to spend too much time on all the more commonly distributed badges. I think the article will pack more punch if tightly written.Bdell555 (talk) 09:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Based soley on the picture provided the decorations he has been awarded are, from top to bottom: Combat Infantry Badge; Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal w/ bronze oak leaf; Army Achievement Medal; Army Good Conduct Medal; National Defense Service Medal; Afghanistan Campaign Medal w/ Bronze Service Star; Global War on Terrorism Service Medal; Army NCO Professional Development Ribbon; Army Service Ribbon; Army Overseas Service Ribbon; NATO Medal. On his right side in red is the Army Meritorious Unit Commendation w/ Oak Leaf and in blue is the Army & Air Force Presidential Unit Citation w/ 2 Oak Leaf clusters. I believe the wing pin is his Army Parachutist Badge, and the badge on the bottom, far right is the Army Expert Weapons Qualification Badge w/ Rifle bar. Not sure we can go on just a picture but at least they are all listed now. Spool 26 (talk) 01:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I see there is an editor or two who wants to strip the icons out of the article, despite the fact the first commentator in this section made a specific request to link the insignia that appears on the subject's formal dress with text explanations. Not sure what their point is when it it amounts to a refusal to have the article answer a KNOWLEDGE request (ie. please "decode"). I've asked these editor(s) to come here as per the very clear and specific instructions in WP:AVOIDEDITWAR to do so, so we'll see if that happens.Bdell555 (talk) 13:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The icons should appear in the body of the article not the infobox Gnevin (talk) 14:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Dude, just relax (your rantings at User talk:Gnevin haven't been helpful. Listing the awards in the prose is pretty standard for military biographies, to the point that most have a chart or table of the ribbon images as well. But we don't need to frivolously use images as icons in the infobox, especially if that is redundant to the prose. If you want to add them to the prose, then you can use User:bahamut0013/ribbon workshop. bahamut0013^words_deeds 14:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Then why not practice as you preach and MOVE instead of DELETE? I admit to being frustrated by people who tell others to do something they are not interested in doing themselves, as if they are somehow exempt from their own guidelines. At a minimum, why not discuss the matter here FIRST before deleting? The fact is that WP:ICONDECORATION is unambiguously clear: "Do not use icons in general article prose" and, as if once isn't enough, it also says "Icons should not be used in the article body," such that I presume you'll either concede that your call to "list the awards in the prose [with icons]" is directly at odds with policy OR you'll stop deleting infobox icons with an edit summary that calls attention to WP:ICONDECORATION.

The very manual you linked gives examples of icon uses that are and are not acceptable. The section you referred to stating "Do not use icons in general article prose" lists this as an example. This does make articles muddled and harder to read, and I doubt that either User:Gnevin or User:Bahamut0013 are advocating this method. Listing all of his awards in the infobox only serves to clutter the infobox as we don't need all 12 (soon to be 13) ribbons listed with icons, but would look awkward if some awards had icons and others did not. In my opinion, listing the more notable awards in the infobox (such as the ones currently listed) is appropriate, with an accurate table in the article body to serve as a "translation" of his ribbon rack, like the one that User talk:Bahamut0013 suggested here, which is standard for military-related articles. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 23:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

To leave aside hypocritical use of WP:ICONDECORATION for the moment and just apply common sense, the practical reality is that without a limiting "box" of sorts, someone is going to expand an awards section in the body of the article to include every last badge and unit citation, such that it gets undue weight relative to what's really notable (the story of this subject's life), especially when you are recommending ribbon sizes over 100px.Bdell555 (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

A servicemembers "every last badge and unit citation" is the story of the part of said persons life that is article worthy. He's known as a Medal of Honor awardee, and without that he's really just another soldier that wouldn't be notable enough for an article. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 23:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not the greatest with the formatting commands of Wikipedia, so I made a basic table of his rack for someone else to expand on (thanks to User:bahamut0013/ribbon workshop). Keep in mind, I haven't added the Medal of Honor, and have also removed the mention of the MoH from his infobox as he has not been awarded the Medal, and would not be authorized to wear it until it is officially awarded. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 23:52, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

		File:NATO SFOR Medal BAR.png

Bronze Star	Purple Heart	Army Commendation Medal w/ Bronze Oak Leaf
Army Achievement Medal	Army Good Conduct Medal	National Defense Service Medal
Afghanistan Campaign Medal w/ Bronze Service Star	Global War on Terrorism Service Medal	Army NCO Professional Development Ribbon
Army Service Ribbon	Army Overseas Service Ribbon	NATO Meritorious Service Medal (SFOR)

Oak leaf and star added to above.Bdell555 (talk) 00:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Corrected the icon of the NATO Medal that was awarded. Seems he's wearing the SFOR version of the award in his official photo. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 02:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

No, its the ISAF one.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.59.152 (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Check the hi-res version of the image on the front page. The ribbon he's wearing is blue|white|blue. The ISAF version of the NATO ribbon is blue|white|silver/grey|white|blue. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 02:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, that's what the image shows, though it is strange. He should be wearing the ISAF, considering his record. bahamut0013^words_deeds 12:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

He was most likely there for OEF rather than ISAF. 2 different operations in the same place. His enlistment in 2003 would have given him enough time to catch the tail end of SFOR. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 01:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I've added the ribbon rack, with a few modifications. His badges and right breast awards were added as well, though I can't identify that small silver badge on the right, that's partially covered by his lapel. bahamut0013^words_deeds 12:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and do we have any individual images of File:Armyqual.jpg? I didn't want to add the composite of all three. bahamut0013^words_deeds 12:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The badge on the right looks to be the Distinctive Unit Insignia for the 503rd Infantry Regiment. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 03:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

You're right, that's what it looks like, but I thought DUI were worn on the shoulder straps, not chest. bahamut0013^words_deeds 12:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

This is lively and timely discussion. I am impressed with everyone's clear arguments on both sides.. Sgt. Giunta's medals tell a story of historical significance. It tell the who , the what, the where and (if DoD would get off their collective backsides -- the when). I believe that Bdell555's nicely formatted table should be included in the article as a separate section. Since the discussion has been clear and thought provoking, I would like a more experienced Editor to take on the task. The fact remains, that he is a career NCO who is the first living person in nearly 40 years to receive this honor. I think we should expand the article and add more information. This IS a big deal and I believe it needs more details, the decorations and awards are a starting point. Trying to keep something brief and missing out key details is not helpful to the man scholars, military people, news media, and students who might be using this page as a starting point. 02:15, 13 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.121.14 (talk)

Just for clarification there are currently several senior editors watching this article intently and I dare say that pretty much any edits made to the article at this point are reviewed and refined by multiple editors. Right now there is limited info and references available but as information is released and more sources cover more infomormation it will be added to the article. One thing to remember is that since this is a Biography of a living person and that individual is in the active military we haev to take care in what information is added regardless of how much his life enters the limelight in the media. --Kumioko (talk) 13:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I cleaned up the tables and labeled left and right. I also added the Expert marksmanship badge and looked closely and noticed that he has two oak leaf clusters on his Presidential Unit Citation. I am not sure about the Italian Parachutist Badge and I hope an image is uploaded soon. God bless you and congratulations SSgt! Mikepolkfan (talk) 18:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Question about the uniform

Staff Sergeant Guinta's uniform has a blue "rope" (for lack of a better term) on the left side of the image. Does anyone know what that is exactly, and what is meant to represent? Is it some sort of award, or is it part of the uniform, or is it something else altogether? TomStar81 (Talk) 18:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Blue Infantry Cord explains it all I think Tom (and I'm a Brit ;) Woody (talk) 19:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Yep. Thanks Woody, I appreciate it. TomStar81 (Talk) 19:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

All part of the service, should be able to put it into the article somewhere, perhaps in an awards and honors section such as those of Murphy or Monti. Trouble is, haven't found a source for all of his awards yet. Woody (talk) 19:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The "rope" is called a Fourragère. Its primarily a french award to certain units for actions during combat and can and has been bestowed to non french military units. There are also other reasons why it could be worn as well. Some billets also wear one but I think in his case its based on the unit. --Kumioko (talk) 18:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Oops I stand corrected, sorta. --Kumioko (talk) 18:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

No its the Infantry Cord, worn by all US Army Infantrymen.24.139.59.152 (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

MOH citation section

I think these pages should be used as a template in all MOH pages. Mlpearc powwow 00:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

"PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" in all caps and boldface and assorted preamble/postamble to the citation doesn't add any information to the article.--Brian Dell (talk) 23:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

This is how the original printed document has it. Mlpearc powwow 00:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Foreign Jump Wings

Does anyone know which country the foreign jump wings SSG Giunta is wearing above his unit awards? 24.92.115.231 (talk) 03:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

They are Italian  Ahodges7   ^talk 18:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Bronze Star for same or different incident?

Was the Bronze Star awarded for the same incident that he is getting the MOH for? Or was there another incident? Isn't it true that if the BS is being upgraded to the MOH, then he will no longer have the BS, but if it was for a different incident, then he will keep it, of course. Does anyone know? Thanks in advance --rogerd (talk) 01:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

If the Bronze Star were awarded for this incident, the ribbon/medal would have a Valor device. The Bronze Star isn't always a combat related award. SkonesMickLoud (talk) 02:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

SML is right. However, if the Bronze Star is indeed replaced/upgraded, we will see it conveniently disappear from his uniform during the award ceremony, and will update appropriately here. bahamut0013^words_deeds 13:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I saw footage on cnn.com that shows Sgt. Giunta making a statement after the award ceremony. He has the MoH ribbon and the Bronze Star ribbon on. I guess this means that the Bronze Star was for a different incident. --rogerd (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Naming

I really think that this page should be located at Salvatore Giunta (US soldier) or something like that, not Salvatore Giunta (Medal of Honor). The man is a soldier, not an award.--121.220.210.93 (talk) 09:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree. If there are no objections, I will move within a few days. Sephiroth storm (talk) 09:34, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually just Salvatore Giunta is fine, it redirects here anyway and apparently there aren't any other people with the same name here. GregorB (talk) 10:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

There is also Salvatore Giunta (Italian football player). AustralianRupert (talk) 10:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Just as a note, saying Medal of Honor doesnt mean he is an award, just what he is known for. Its the same thing for sports athletes we say John Smith (baseball) not Baseball player. --Kumioko (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Mohammed Tali: "high value target"

The sourcing may become an issue here (specifically, someone may say "high value target" is not stated explicitly in the cited source) so I'll just explain how I wrote this. The direct statement that Tali was "high value" and was killed by Giunta is actually Elizabeth Rubin's NY Times Magazine story, not her Observer story. But I cited "Giunta saw two enemy fighters, one of whom was Mohammad Tali (considered a high value target)" to the Observer story because only the Observer story indicates that Giunta killed Tali in the vicinity of Brennan as opposed to some other time or place in the battle. The Observer says

Around midnight, guys from 1st Platoon filed in, drenched in river water and blood. Mohammad Tali, the ugliest Taliban on the bad-guy family tree, had nearly dragged off Brennan, whom I'd watched playing guitar all day long before the mission. Brennan would die that night. So did Hugo Mendoza, 1st Platoon's smiling medic.

Since the "ugliest" language here also suggests "high value target", I considered it justified to cite the Observer right after "high value target". I then cited Rubin's NY Times story immediately after "killed Tali." What I would allow is the possibility that when Rubin says Tali "nearly dragged off Brennan" she meant Tali's men as opposed to Tali himself. But at the moment the most likely chronology and plainest reading of both of Rubin's publications is that when Giunta killed one of the draggers/carriers of Brennan, that person was Tali.Bdell555 (talk) 11:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I had read the Stars and Stripes that is/was given as a source and it does state, as I remember it, as one of them being a "high Value Target." I can't say for sure if the other sources that I read for verification if it was mentioned, but I will give the S&S a credibility on their reporting on the matter. --Hourick (talk) 16:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Seams strange to call a person a target. P. S. Burton (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be logical if you are someone they're VERY anxious to capture/kill. If that makes you a target, then so be it. --Hourick (talk) 02:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

WIkileaks info re incident

I put together the following timeline from the reports. I've XXXXed out the reported times since response times might constitute sensitive information.

Type:Enemy Action Category:Direct Fire BDA: 2x US KIA 3x US WIA

OP: ROCK AVALANCHE

XXXXz: [TF ROCK 2-503 IN] reported troops in contact in the Southern Korengal [LAT 34.86853027 LONG 70.91130829] (vic. XD 746 600). ACM in the vicinity of XD 737 614 engaged Battle elements returning to the KOP and COP Vimoto with heavy, effective, and accurate small arms and RPG fire.

XXXXz: CAS prepared to engage three enemy positions at XD 73752 61418, XD 73222 60607, and XD 72630 60152 with a simultaneous bomb drop of 1 GBU-38 per target, but was called off.

XXXXz: TF Rock 9-Line MEDEVAC MM(E) 10-25G W/U JAF IVO OBJ McArthur

XXXXz: Battle sent up a 9-Line MEDEVAC Request for 5 US that had been wounded in the Battle TIC near OBJ Taylor - 2 Priority, 3 Urgent. TF Rock reported 1x WIA with 6 gunshot wounds, and another with head trauma.

XXXXz: [MEDEVAC] transitioned over ABAD towards Korengal Valley

XXXXz: Battle reported 1 confirmed ACM KIA and that Battle elements had captured 2x AK-47s.

XXXXz: CAS approved to come around and re-attack enemy along the ridge south of the above position with a string of 3 more GBU-38s - however, as the MEDEVAC aircraft arrived on-scene, the Rock JTAC again put a hold on the mission and did not authorize CAS to engage.

XXXXz: MEDEVAC arrived on station and began conducting hoist operations to collect the casualties and put medics on the ground

XXXXz: 155mm assets out of Blessing and ABAD engaged a potential enemy C2 node at vic. XD 718 595.

XXXXz: W/D ABAD

XXXXz: CAS engaged enemy located in a hardened structure at XD 740 595 - the target was destroyed and CCA moved to observe any ACM attempting to exfil the area.

XXXXz: BONE 12 dropped 3xGBU31s at: XD 77520 60510, XD 76820 60810,and XD 77188 60700

Bdell555 (talk) 13:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Middle name

The article seems to be lacking what the "A." stands for, and I can't find it myself. His full name should be in the start of the article. Also, his wife is noted as "Jennifer", what is her maiden name? 194.151.221.93 (talk) 07:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

We may not have that information. As for Jennifer's name, I think he have policies limiting the exposure of familiy members names needlessly. Sephiroth storm (talk) 09:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Disagreement on the lede

There is currently a disagreement between myself and another editor about the what should be in the lede. I recently expanded the lede to state as follows:

Salvatore A. Giunta (born January 21, 1985) is a soldier in the United States Army who will be the first living person since the Vietnam War to receive the United States military's highest decoration for valor, the Medal of Honor.

Giunta was born in Iowa in 1985 and after graduating from John F. Kennedy High School in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, he enlisted in the United States Army. After completing basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia he deployed to Afghanistan for a year in March 2005 and then again in May 2007. In October 2007 his eight-man squad was patrolling in the Korangal Valley when they were attacked by a group of Taliban fighers. After several members of the team were injured, Giunta risked his life to rescue them while under heavy fire by the Taliban. He worked his way to them, firing and throwing grenades until he was able to reach them and get them to a covered position. For his actions the White house announced in September 2010 that he would receive the Medal of Honor.

He was promoted to staff sergeant in 2009 and is currently stationed in Vicenza, Italy with the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team.

and another user feels that the following is enough to summerize the article:

Salvatore A. Giunta (born January 21, 1985) is a staff sergeant in the United States Army who will be the first living person since the Vietnam War to receive the United States military's highest decoration for valor, the Medal of Honor. He is cited for saving members of his squad in October 2007 while fighting in the war in Afghanistan.

Since there are currently 2 fairly senior editors disagreeing about what should be in the lede I am looking for some concensus as to which one is preferred. Bare in mind that as the article develops and more content is added as infomormation and references becomes available the lede will change. Also, with the current version of the lede someone wanting to find out about the individual must read the article because the lede tells them very little. In the version I propose reading the lede would give a reasonable summery of the individual AND the event. --Kumioko (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Like I said on your talk page, the point of WP:LEAD is not that it should summarize in depth the entirety of the article, but establish a short overview of the relevance of the topic and, in the case of biographies, establish the claim to notability. The lead section that Kumioko prefers is incredibly redundant to the body of the article, and far too overly detailed to even really be considered a summary of his life, if that's what we wanted. The lead as I have written cleanly and efficiently tells the reader why Giunta is notable, and draws him or her to continue reading into the body of the article without repeating it. A lead section need not be lengthy to be effective; indeed, a shorter one is far more effective. In this case in particular, the rest of the article is so short that a longer lead will not provide a good balance. As the article grows, the lead can be amended; but my focus is on the state of the article as it appears now (I don't have a crystal ball to tell the future with).

Shorter version: my intro performs all of the necessary elements efficiently and without redundancy: defines the topic, overviews it, establishes the context, and introduces the main point, which is his claim to notability.

This is kind of surreal, though... in about two or three years, this is the first time you and I have ever had a significant disagreement! bahamut0013^words_deeds 14:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Your right on the disagreement thing, in fact as I recall we usually agree on most things and im really not trying to be argumentative, I just dont agree that a sentance is enough. --Kumioko (talk) 14:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Good call on trying to get a consensus, but I think that the second option would be better. --Hourick (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

A sentence or two would be enough in this case.Bdell555 (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, it seems consensus for the moment is to keep the lede short so I will comply. I plan on building this article up in a couple months when more sources and the citation are available to GA and once it goes through the GA process a longer, more descriptive lede that fully summerizes the article will be required. --Kumioko (talk) 20:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

That's cool, just don't jump the gun! Cheers, bahamut0013^words_deeds 22:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

What was the second weapon he was carrying?

It says the weapons on his back got destroyed, by enemy fire. What was it? I'm guessing a rocket launcher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.239.198 (talk) 19:09, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Article updated to identify SMAW-D.--Brian Dell (talk) 22:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Doubt it was a SMAW. Thats a Marine weapon. Armys been known to use them, but not as much.

adding a medal image to the subject's infobox image

I reverted another editor citing Wikipedia policy on infobox images although I later saw that military person infoboxes permit it "especially as a placeholder" and so I added it back albeit in such a way as to not reduce the size of the subject's photo. I don't think any full size medals (ie non-ribbon) are necessary in the infobox since the medal image can be (and at present, has been) added elsewhere to the article (I've seen it presented in conjunction with the citation). Trying to stuff two images into this one infobox slot means a significantly smaller image of the subject can be displayed to readers. It strikes me as an editor's attempt to pin medals on the subject without an encyclopedic purpose. For what it is worth, as the discussion at the top of this talk page would reveal, I am not one of those anti-icon types who routinely purge infoboxes of "decoration".--Brian Dell (talk) 22:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Medal in infobox

I do not agree with this change but, here some other pages that will need to be changed.

• 1stLt Frank S. Reasoner
• 2ndLt Terrence C. Graves
• PFC Robert H. Jenkins, Jr.
• LCpl Richard A. Anderson

These are just some of the ones I know of. Mlpearc powwow 23:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, well I would note that all of those articles also have icons in the infobox that have been deleted from this article whenever they have been introduced (not by me). In other words, practice on other Wikipedia articles hasn't necessarily been adopted here.--Brian Dell (talk) 23:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

"In other words, practice on other Wikipedia articles hasn't necessarily been adopted here"

I'm sorry I thought I was editing Wikipedia. What Encyclopedia is this page from ? Mlpearc powwow 23:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Giunta is going to have an official photo that will be public domain and will likely be of him wearing the medal. Therefore the medal image will be in the infobox assuming we use that official photo. 97.121.173.105 (talk) 01:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Military Career

Article erroneously states CASERMA EDERLE NEAR VICENZA, ITALY CASERMA EDERLE IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF VICENZA!!!!!!!!!! I have resided in Vicenza since 1982 and retired from the US Army there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.101.87 (talk) 17:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)