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:'''Keep''' She was a well known person in the movie business before her death, and her death is now creating a lot of news in Los Angeles. 22 November 2010 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/144.142.12.66|144.142.12.66]] ([[User talk:144.142.12.66|talk]]) 19:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
:'''Keep''' She was a well known person in the movie business before her death, and her death is now creating a lot of news in Los Angeles. 22 November 2010 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/144.142.12.66|144.142.12.66]] ([[User talk:144.142.12.66|talk]]) 19:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Just being well-known does not make one notable. For example, many YouTube stars are well-known but are not notable by Wikipedia standards. Also, just because her death is causing a lot of news does not make her notable. Many deaths cause big news. What if this disappears in another day? <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC) |
::Just being well-known does not make one notable. For example, many YouTube stars are well-known but are not notable by Wikipedia standards. Also, just because her death is causing a lot of news does not make her notable. Many deaths cause big news. What if this disappears in another day? <span style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;">'''/[[User:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">ƒETCH</span>]][[User talk:Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">COMMS</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Fetchcomms|<span style="color:#000;">/</span>]]'''</span> 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC) |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Crime|list of Crime-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 02:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)</small> |
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The late subject of this article does not seem sufficiently notable and has not received any coverage previous to her recent murder (WP:BIO1E). Google News shows only brief mentions in the archives, and I highly doubt that a publicist is notable enough for an article. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 04:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with the above. Fixer23 (talk) 08:00, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep There's lots of people with articles on wikipedia who only became notable when they were murdered and received no coverage prior to their deaths. Leno_and_Rosemary_LaBianca, Mary_Jo_Kopechne, J_D_Tippit, Ron_Goldman, John_Birch_(missionary). In most of those cases the person who murdered them or caused their deaths are notable while the subjects themselves are remarkably non-notable. Ronni Chasen at least appears to have been a notable person to notable people before her murder. Ecwfrk (talk) 09:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Also, please prove that Chasen was notable before her death by citing a reliable source. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- -- Cirt (talk) 15:20, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Weak keep and redirect/rename to Murder of Ronni Chasen; it's not clear to me that this article will overcome WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:PERSISTENCE standards, but the odds are better than even that they will be, and those standards are rarely enforced. I don't think she meets WP:BIO independently; secondary sources mention her, but there's not independent coverage about her. THF (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep She may not have been all that notable before, but she sure is now. Keith Henson (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- That is related to my point. Just being murdered does not make her notable; please see WP:BIO1E. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep She was a well known person in the movie business before her death, and her death is now creating a lot of news in Los Angeles. 22 November 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.142.12.66 (talk) 19:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Just being well-known does not make one notable. For example, many YouTube stars are well-known but are not notable by Wikipedia standards. Also, just because her death is causing a lot of news does not make her notable. Many deaths cause big news. What if this disappears in another day? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 21:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)