Talk:Adelphopoiesis

Re: Saints Sergius and Bacchus

This article could be improved with the inclusion of an image. There is a c. 7th Century image which, it has been suggested by Boswell et. al., shows the Adelphopoiesis of Saints Sergius and Bacchus. In other words, it may show marriage or something analogous to marriage - though this view is not uncontested.

Unfortunately, as a Novice Wikipedian, I have no no idea how to get an image into the article (my eyes really hurt after 8 solid hours of trying) and this image is found no where in Wikipedia Commons. Any guidance anyone?

When I learn how to upload this image, which already exists on the Wikipedia entry for the aforementioned saints, I will do so, assuming that the author(s) of this article on Adelphopoiesis feel it's appropriate. Otherwise I won't.

Hail True Body 16:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Historical Information

Is there any historical accounts of this practice? There should surely be some writings about it.

There seems to be very little amounting to the history -- not even a date range. All it is about is some bloke going on pedantically about the translation of the term. 86.134.152.135 22:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems the article spends more time refuting Boswell than it does supporting any scholarly research into what it actually was. --Eddylyons (talk) 20:20, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Hostile Tone

This now has a hostile against the hypothesis that it's analogues to same sex marriage. Changes like "historian" to "gay activist" is undermining language.

I just wanna say

I just wanna say that Adelphopoiesis is not similair to gay marriage. I see it as a parallel to the sworn-brotherhood, or anda in Mongol culture.

Well don't, this isn't the place to debate that. Especially if youare n't going ot sign your posts.Kairos 08:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The article shouldn't say that there is homosexual romance involved in Adelphopoiesis unless they can prove that. Christians believe that homosexual sex is an abomination.--69.234.200.106 (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Although Kairos is right, shouldn't the article be changed to avoid being biased toward the view Adelphopoiesis is gay marriage?--69.234.208.72 (talk) 19:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I think this might have been practiced by the Russian Orthodox Church centuries ago, but to say that it was a form of homosexual marriage seems ludicrous and I'm sure is quite offensive to believers. 24.4.205.124 (talk)

If you read the article carefully you'll see that it doesn't say that it was a form of homosexual marriage. It does however discuss several different interpretations of the rite, proposed by various scholars.--rossb (talk) 18:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fine. The point is that this article is mainly devoted to one very specific interpretation, namely adelphopoiesis as a sexual union according to John Boswell, rather than adelphopoiesis as such. To me this seems like a very extreme and controversial view that should be no more than a footnote in the main article. Perhaps, a separate article "Adelphopoiesis as a sexual union" should be written. 24.4.205.124 (talk) 05:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The article goes into too much detail explaining only one interpretation. There should be more details concerning the criticisms and alternative interpretations. They should be more accessible to the casual reader. --76.115.63.120 (talk) 03:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

John Henry Newman and Ambrose St. John

Some gay activists, such as Peter Thatchell, have argued that John Henry Newman was gay because of his friendly relationship with Ambrose St. John. However, given Newman's resolute advocacy of Catholic clerical celibacy, it would certainly be more prudent to characterize this as a latter-day form of adelphopoiesis, just a spiritual relationship between two very Christian men. One could even argue that Newman was homophobic, since he held the pro-chastity epistles of St. Paul and other scriptures to be inerrant, and since he was quite likely a sacerdotal virgin, which in itself indicates a hostility to all forms of sex and related sins. ADM (talk) 02:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)