Talk:Nahuas

Apparent copyvio

The previous contents of this article appears to entirely consist of an extract from the online EB article of the same name; compare here. I've removed all of the text and replaced it with a temporary sentence or two, until it can be more appropriately rewritten.--cjllw | TALK 08:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Article title

I'd like to suggest that this article (expansion coming along nicely, btw!) be renamed to Nahua peoples, given the plurality of groups and by way of parallel with Maya peoples. Any takers, or counter-proposals? --cjllw ʘ TALK 14:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind one way or the other. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 14:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Fine with me. --Ptcamn (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, page is now moved to the plural title. --cjllw ʘ TALK 02:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Pictures of Nahua persons

I am against the inclusion of pictures of celebrities in this article's infobox. BEing Nahua is not a matter of descendence - it is a matter of cultural identification with a Nahua cultural group - the criteria of INALI for ethnic status is primarily linguistic - to justify inclusion would require a source saying that a person is a heritage speaker of Nahuatl. Regarding Zapata I agree that it is likely that he was ethnically Nahua and did speak Nahuatl - this is however not the currently accepted mainstream view, as biographers such as Womack describe him as fully mestizo (because they don't recognize the validity of eyewitness accounts of Zapata speaking Nahuatl). For the other persons supposed for inclusion the sources are much too weak to tie them to Nahua culture. I still believe that in recognition of the fact that most Nahua peoples are not celebrities I think it is better not to include photos - or to include a photo of an common Nahua person with whom a majority of Nahua people can idenitify instead of past celebrities, that no one in Mexican society, least of all the Nahuas themselves identify as being Nahua. Also Manuel Mondragón was born in Ixtlahuaca, which is not a Nahua speaking area but a Mazahua speaking one. I don't think his daughters words carries much weight here unless she expressly says that he spoke Nahuatl and identified with a Nahua cultural heritage. ·Maunus·ƛ· 02:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

You have very odd view, are you implying that when one is successful then they discard their Nahua culture because the two are not compatible? They can not connect with being Nahua? Not all Nahua live in villages as Campesions and it's ridiculous to think that Nahuas only can connect with someone like that. That is a very belittling and arrogant take on an entire ethnicity. And that is an outright rude and prejudiced statement to make. There are wealthy urbanized Nahua comminities in Mexico City, that would instantly be able to recognize these people as they have contributed to Mexico's history. Mondragón was born in Ixtlahuaca but that dosent mean he was Mazahua. Just because a Chinese person is born in Moscow it wouldn't automatically make him a Slav. Mapudunganpanzer (talk) 02:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

The only urbanized fully Nahua community in Mexico is Milpa Alta and that is definitely not well off. Lopok at INEGI's own statistics and think if those suggest that generals who don't speak Nahuatl and are born in a Mazahua speaking area are the most representative image of a Nahua person you can think of. Either you produce sources that support that they were ethnically Nahua or they stay out. We have policies here, please abide by them. ·Maunus·ƛ· 19:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. You mean to say that every single Nahua besides those who live in Milpa Alta live in rural areas? That is plain stupid. Santa Fe on the periphery of Mexico City has a sizable Nahua community. I would know. I lived there. And it is common knowledge that Zapata was a Nahua. You are being extremely narrow and closed minded. Mapudunganpanzer (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I have lived there two and I have studied Nahua culture for the past ten years at the university level. Take your anecdotes elsewhere and start fpollowing polciy. Try this one: WP:V·Maunus·ƛ· 00:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is an entire text by Zapata in Nahuatl: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/cuicatontli/zapata.htm Mapudunganpanzer (talk) 00:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

That is not a relioable source and it doesn't cover the other two persons.·Maunus·ƛ· 00:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)