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Date	Process	Result
July 16, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
September 11, 2008	Peer review	Reviewed

Current status: Good article

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Future roles?

What does the subhead "Future Roles" mean? It doesn't seem to make sense as used here. Nomorenonotnever (talk) 00:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Alan Dale/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Lead

"The character is the role Dale is most associated with, although he fell out with the producers over the low pay he and the rest of the cast received." The second half is not directly mentioned in the many body of the article.

I was trying to sum up his quotes: "one of the things the company did was to market everything they could out of us and pay us nothing" and "parted on "bad terms"." I thought that was clear enough.

I'm not sure. The main body and the quote doesn't imply "low pay" to me, rather "pay conditions" or "pay deal". Peanut4 (talk) 20:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed "low" so it just states he disputed the payment in general. Better?

Wider success

"Dale only received a couple of auditions" Do you know exactly how many? A couple seems a bit vague.

The source says "a couple", I don't know the exact number.

No worries. Peanut4 (talk) 20:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What profession was Al Patterson in ER? It's probably worth adding to increas the explanation a bit.

I think he was a patient's relative, but I can't find any source to support it.

According to this, I think you're right. I'm not sure it is that important for a source if one can't be found. Though it might be best to wait until you're 100% sure. Peanut4 (talk) 20:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll leave it out.

Personal life

"Since April 8, 1990[18] he has been married to the 1986 Miss Australia, Tracey Pearson, who he met at the 1986 Australian Grand Prix, when she was 21 and he was 39." I know why you've tried to change the tone of this sentence, I'd reword this to something like "On April 8, 1990, he remarried, ... Secondly, does the reference not refer to the entire wedding rather than just the date?
- No, reference 1 refers to everything in that sentence, plus the quote. Reference 18 just refers to the date, which reference 1 does not mention. As for the sentence itself, I don't quite understand what you think needs to be reworded, it makes perfect sense to me.

What the article says isn't wrong. But the way it's written, it emphasises the date rather than him remarrying. It entirely depends what relevance you want to refer to the date and/or the wedding. Peanut4 (talk) 20:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does the fact that he's re-marrying need to be mentioned? If you read the whole section, it becomes clear she is his second wife. I really think the sentence flows better as is, certainly better than any alternatives I can think of. Any suggestions? Gran² 21:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll leave the final decision up to you. I've been giving a brief thought, and my main suggestion would be to change "since" to "on" and then the most appropriate change of verb/tense. Peanut4 (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise it's spot on. Really good work. I'll place it on hold until those points have been either addressed. I've also had to correct a couple of typos - I'd suggest just giving the article a read through next time you have a GAN or FAC, I'm as guilty of it too, but it helps out the reviewer. Peanut4 (talk) 22:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. Gran² 07:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final review

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

An excellent article. Top work. The main thing to do to improve it would be find some free use images. All the best with improving it further. Peanut4 (talk) 22:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much! Gran² 22:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Renaissance

I've removed "Renaissance" from the filmography for now because there is no concrete evidence that the "pilot" will definitely air separately from Moving Wallpaper (BBC, DS, What's on TV, The Sun all giving conflicting info). Bradley0110 (talk) 21:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? They all seem to suggest that it will air separately to me. And of those four sources, the only truly reliable one is the BBC (although DS and WOT are fine). Which is the source that says it won't air separately? Gran² 21:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Stage has "the drama will be shown as a one-off on ITV1."[1], guardian.co.uk has "Renaissance will air separately at some point either on ITV1, itv.com or one of ITV's digital channels"[2], DS has "Titled Renaissance, it will air as a one-off special either on ITV1 or online; however, no airdate has yet been confirmed."[3]. The only thing confirmed is that the "Renaissance" scenes will be interspersed throughout the episodes, with the possibility that they will be stitched together at the end. Bradley0110 (talk) 09:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Australians of New Zealand descent"

I'm just wondering whether this is an appropriate category. He is a New Zealander who moved to Australia for work purposes at age 32 for just 11 years. Although he has a home in Australia, it seems it has not been his primary home for nearly 20 years. He still travels on a New Zealand passport, so it appears he does not have Australian citizenship. Finally, from the quotes in the article, it appears he still considers himself a NZer. So given all that, what exactly makes him Australian? -- BigBadaboom0 (talk) 03:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing. I guess I must have missed that, well spotted. Gran² 17:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not that it matters to me personally but there is this quote: [[[User:Format|Format]] (talk) 20:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)][reply]

"I like both places [Australia and New Zealand] but I get a lot more respect and recognition from Australia than I do in New Zealand. New Zealanders don't want to know me at all, really. I've been Australian for 20-odd years. Everywhere I went I was the guy from Neighbours so I was Australian. Then when I came here [Hollywood], because I have a New Zealand passport I became a New Zealander again. It's odd."

— Dale on his nationality.^[1]

^ Barry, Rebecca (2007-02-15). "Alan Dale shares his Hollywood highs and heartbreak". New Zealand Herald. Retrieved 2008-06-21.

[nz-1] Barry, Rebecca (2007-02-15). "Alan Dale shares his Hollywood highs and heartbreak". New Zealand Herald. Retrieved 2008-06-21.

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