Talk:Born This Way (album)

Typo

• TYPO LAST PARAGRAPH* "She also added that album is completely finished." She also added that THE album... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.236.114 (talk) 13:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

{{edit protected}} The title of the relevant section has been changed from "2010–present: Born This Way" to "2008–present: The Fame, The Fame Monster and Born This Way" ►Scarce◄ 15:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

{{edit protected}} The section title is now "2010–present: Born This Way". ►Scarce◄ 23:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

 updated — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Moved from incubator

Has a consensus been reached that this can be moved to the mainspace? I see no evidence of a discussion. - eo (talk) 20:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Background

I shall not bother editing this page as of the current moment for it is highly likely that it shall be deleted. If anything is to go in the "background" section, I believe it should be transferred from Gaga's current Wiki page. Too much fancruft a la momenta. Stephenjamesx (talk) 23:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Once I get through it, the fancrufts will disappear like zat. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

THE RELEASED DATE ARE IN 2011....AND THE FIRST SINGLE IN FEBRARY OF 2011 =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.1.246.135 (talk) 17:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I was reading, and found an article that said: that HELLO HELLO (the lady gaga song and Elton John) will be included in the albun .... but I'm not sure Escuchar Leer fonéticamente Diccionario - Ver diccionario detalladofrase0.this is0.you are —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.1.246.135 (talk) 17:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Second or Third studio album?

I don't get it?? She has said everywhere that Born this Way is her third studio album, yet we have already established TFM as an EP. Thoughts? --Cprice1000talk2me 01:24, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Take it to The Fame Monster page, and seriously, we have had enough of this discussion. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

if the lady herself calls it her third, then you can't get a more reliable source than that. Mister sparky (talk) 14:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

This is not about TFM, this is about what Gaga stated in a few videos. --Cprice1000talk2me 15:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Source? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

[1] --Cprice1000talk2me 16:05, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

This is kind of like the debate that was going on with Christina Aguilera. Although she and the media called Bionic (Christina Aguilera album) her fourth album, it is acutally her sixth studio album as her Christmas album and Spanish language album should be counted as such, even though the artist states differently. Facts are better. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 04:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

So, what are you saying? --Cprice1000talk2me 13:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

That TFM is an EP and consequently, BTW is her second studio album. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Not according to GaGa herself. --Cprice1000talk2me 14:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Which is what Candy spoke about above boo, the horse's mouth is not always teh most reliable source unless multiple reliable sources note BTW as her third studio album. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:59, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

The Fame Monster is technically Gaga's second studio album, but it's classed as an EP due to length. I changed the lead to call this her "second full-length studio album", so hopefully the debate should die down a little now. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Let's compromise with this, Born This Way is GaGa's second full length studio album and(third over all). Hopefully that could simplified the wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelB722 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 68.224.21.176, 23 December 2010

this isnt fair change it now

68.224.21.176 (talk) 05:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a request. If you are talking about the article being semi-protected to stop IPs from disrupting it, no my dear, it is fair. Fair for the community, fair for the editors who are tired from reverting the fancrufts, vandalism etc. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Chronology

Currently the chronology on this page goes:

• The Fame (previous album)
• Born This Way (this album)

The chronology on The Fame's page goes:

• The Fame (this album)
• The Fame Monster (next album)

The Fame article includes The Fame Monster in the chronology. I believe that should be the case on this article.

The Fame is GA article... shouldn't we be following an example of such calibre? I know that there's so much malarkey over The Fame Monster not being a "true" album, but it was her second major release and weighs VERY heavily on her success as an artist.

King regards,
Stephenjamesx (talk) 21:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

IP cruft, changing it back. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

it will relese

on gagas birthday 28 march — Preceding unsigned comment added by ליידי גאגא (talk • contribs) 22:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

---Source please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.39.34.193 (talk) 09:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Should this really be in the mainspace?

The first single hasn't even been released or even titled, there is no track listing, and there are only 11 references on here. This should be moved back to the incubator. --Cprice1000talk2me 03:54, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I completely heartily agree. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I asked above, as well as on the Talk Page of the editor who moved it to the mainspace (PinkFunhouse13 (talk · contribs)), where the discussion is located from which consensus was reached, and there has been no response. - eo (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

And there will never be a response, seeing the bad-faith edits that this one does. If consensus forms, Eric, will you please move it back to the incubator? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if consensus is to re-incubate, I'll move it. - eo (talk) 04:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! --Cprice1000talk2me 04:05, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Lets see what others have to say. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:10, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree to re incubate...this article will get it's chance to become substantial but not now--Blackjacks101 (talk) 04:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Agree to incubate. There was no consensus to move into mainspace, and no reason to do so now. Yves (talk) 04:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what PinkFunhouse13 was thinking, but it's not the first time. --Cprice1000talk2me 17:11, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I responded, give it a look. PinkFunhouse13 (talk) 01:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Pinkfunhouse, you responded what and where? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Her talk page --Cprice1000talk2me 04:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Aww, did she respond as to what made her suddenly decide to move teh Incube article? Or did Christmas come early for her? :P — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

LMAO She told me off.... not sure why --Cprice1000talk2me 05:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, in all seriouslness we need to achieve a consensus here regarding what to do with this one, to move it back or keep it now. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Devil's advocate question — if this is going back to bake in the oven longer, at what point will it be ok for the mainspace? e.g. how many sources will be considered enough? I'm asking because this particular artist, with this particular release, will reach a fucking fever pitch leading up to the release date. I expect there to be a ton of hype and (reliable) press coverage way before it sees the light of day, and I don't think it's going too far out on a limb to guess that this album will be notable enough for mainspace-inclusion well before its street date. I'm certainly one to slam the brakes down on 99.99999% of these pre-emptive pop-music jumping-the-gun pre-release articles, but in this particular scenario we do have a somewhat decent-sized article already with more sources than many already-released album articles have. I'm not saying it has to stay in the mainspace, but are there any thoughts on just maintaining it here and building it up, keeping a close eye on it? - eo (talk) 14:03, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

That we are already doing Eric. Point is, she bloody announced the release date!!! I hate taht its still 5 months away and the cumbersome edits are only gonna increase. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

And you know what? She's been through with the album since around October. :( But anyway, I'm not sure about this page anymore. I think it is still technically not notable without a track listing. WP:NALBUM But maybe all the information in the article sustains it, now that we have a release date. --Cprice1000talk2me 15:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

And Lego, it's OK. Almost every track from the album has leaked on YouTube :P --Cprice1000talk2me 15:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Release date: 5/23/11

http://twitter.com/ladygaga Bruce Campbell (talk) 05:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

-Yes, and the editor made a little mistake: the album is due on May 23, 2011. Not May 23, 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.62.11 (talk) 16:33, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

MTV says "her third album"

See the article Lady Gaga Announces Release Dates For Born This Way, First Single, where MTV say And at midnight, the singer tweeted that her third album will be released in stores on May 23. --NicolásTM (talk) 04:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Ya, so? Born This Way is her third album, but second studio album. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Picture

The cover of the 'Born This Way' album has been revealed so shouldn't there be a picture of it on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.174.29 (talk) 18:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

No, it hasn't been revealed yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.43.135.215 (talk) 22:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

It definitely 100% has look it up on Google or something.

LOL. The photos here are recycled from old photoshoots/events. Why would Gaga reuse old photos for a highly highly highly highly anticipated album? You just know that she wouldn't - she's always striving for the next biggest thing. The covers that are available now look cheap and tacky. Plus, it has been reported that Gaga has recently completed a photoshoot for the album while she stopped in London last December. Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The one I'm talking about is the one where she's wearing a jacket with a unicorn on the back and the words 'Born This Way' and she is naked from the waist down.

That was never confirmed as the album cover, just a promotional image.92.235.254.101 (talk) 13:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

It is the album cover, there is evidence to support this. Try checking websites like MTV or something.

No. provide source. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It says the website's 'spam' so I can't show you. Who cares if Wikipedia don't like eating spam?! What's that got to do with the article?!

If a spam website is all you got then bye. I don't need to discuss this further. The image won't be added . — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

--91.154.100.153 (talk) 14:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree whit Legolas, its not he album cover!

• That photo is not the album cover. Several sources online state that it is a promotional image. Do your research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.95.150.205 (talk) 06:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know either way, but Amazon UK does show it in the image field. [2] Though it is most likely just there to replace the cover until it gets there. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 04:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

First Single...

--91.154.103.148 (talk) 13:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC) Why is it TBA for the first single, it has been confirmed already by Gaga herself on twitter that Born This Way is the first single and it will be released in february!!

Proof please. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

http://www.theroundtableonline.com/2011/01/lady-gaga-announces-born-this-way-single-date-and-album-release/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.43.252.22 (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes it has been confirmed, the new single is Born This Way, the title track of the album. Keep up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.109.94.85 (talk) 20:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

No, she just commented that the single will be released in February, she NEVER say "Born This Way" will be released on February, you are assuming that her upcoming single is called Born This Way, because she commented that the album (wrote as "the record") was in that tweet too. Tbhotch^™ and © 20:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

No, when she says "the single" and "the record" she means they are both called Born This Way. At the mtv awards she sung Born this way, the title track. Every form of media has reported it as the name of the first single aswell. The song she sang at the MTV awards will be the first single. What else could it possibly be called apart from Born This Way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.109.94.85 (talk) 21:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

"She says "the single" and "the record" she means they are both called Born This Way." -> Gaga commented that "the record" will be released on May, "the single" in February, therefore Born This Way is the title of her single Tbhotch^™ and © 22:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Adding on top of Tbhotch, IPs, please quite the ORing, and don't waste time. "Born This Way" won't be added as the first single untill and unless the horse confirms it. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Just because the album is called Born This Way doesn't mean that its debut single will be called that. Yes, she sung a portion of what appeared to be titled "Born This Way" at the 2010 VMAs - but we can't just assume that the title is that. You're all far too eager to add information - yes, I'm hungry for her new album - but this is Wikipedia: info should be verified first. Stephenjamesx (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/lady-gaga/news/252246-lady-gaga-new-single-album-born-this-way-grammys MTV have now confirmed it as the new single. It is official, her statement on New years day clearly stated the same title for both. Please can we accept this now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.109.94.85 (talk) 22:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Born This Way on Glee

Is this worth mentioning yet? link link Bruce Campbell (talk) 00:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes of course we can, as part of promotional strategies of course. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Track Listing

Please watch out for another song from Born This Way which is gonna be previewed on the Mugler's fashion show. Update the tracklisting for that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.120.35 (talk) 17:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

The song was actually remixed for Mugler's show in Paris, it's unnamed though, unfortunately, perhaps we could add this into Release/Promotion? I don't actually know if this is a reputable source though, perhaps 88.104.174.81 (talk) 18:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

It turns out the song is actually called Scheiβe (the german translation of the english word, shit), can we add this to confirmed tracks, using this as our source, it came directly from the artist? 88.104.168.157 (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Re-directs

Scheiße (song)‎ re-directs to the album article, but feel free to bring it to life if the song becomes notable enough. The same applies to You and I (Lady Gaga song). Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Scheiße

I believe that this is a more official source. Is that good enough to add it to the article? --200.121.143.46 (talk) 04:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Not a reliable source. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Try the Thierry Mugler website although it does not include the name of the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.23.175 (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

http://gagadaily.com/2011/01/listen-lady-gaga-remixes-born-this-way-track/ Gagadaily confirm that its name is Scheiße —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.250.67.90 (talk) 23:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I fail to see how Gaga herself, including her twitter and youtube confirm that it is a track, yet it's not reliable. Who is more reliable for a Gaga album than Gaga? If there was an interview of her saying it was a track it would be fine, but because she typed it, it's not reliable? That's very confusing. Anyway, if you need a source, all I had to do was google search the news for "Scheiße gaga" and there are quite a few. Here are the results82.33.108.63 (talk) 15:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

She never said that the track's name is Scheibe, and neither does any reliable source. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Then at least mention that she released a remix of a track for the Thierry Mugler fashion show? Surely it contributes something to the release and promotion of Born This Way, and should thus be noted? 82.33.108.63 (talk) 22:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

"The track used for the remix is from Gaga’s new album Born This Way, due out in May. " - A quote from the link to Gaga Daily above. [ http://gagadaily.com/2011/01/listen-lady-gaga-remixes-born-this-way-track/ ] . Surely you can't get anymore information than this! --Tom54430 (talk) 00:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

And anouther quote "Update: The official title of the remixed song is “Scheiße.” The remix does not include the chorus, but the energy of the track is similar to the actual album version." Shows that its slightly different to the album version, but there will be a version on the album. Gaga daily is reliable. Its one of Gaga's own pages - there are references to ladygaga.com, why can gagadaily not be a refernce?--Tom54430 (talk) 00:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

New Single - release in May 11, ANIMAL

I found a german article about lady gaga's new Single - called "Animal" - which will be released in May 11. It'd be wonderful, if someone could take the Single "Animal" in this article.

I found it on: http://www.starflash.de/artikel/lady-gaga-animal-180970.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxsmartlxx (talk • contribs) 15:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Again, sorry, I don't find the website reliable, they don't even say from where they got the news. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Not even Gaga's -> Times of India. Novice7 | Talk 16:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

The track, Animal, isn't even by lady gaga? Confirmed by her Label, here 88.104.168.157 (talk) 20:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, not by Gaga. Novice7 | Talk 04:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Born This Way lyrics

This is also lyrics from Born This Way song: "Don't hide yourself in regret, just love yourself and you're set. I'm on the right track baby, I was Born This Way." http://twitter.com/ladygaga/status/21064354262679552 Please add this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.179.86.113 (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Why? What does that add to the article? ℥^nding·start 20:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)