Talk:Lydia

Culture

Lydian Culture? Religion? Rony P Q H Taril 00:47, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lydia in Lydian?

does anyone know the Lydian name of Lydia? 85.97.40.61 21:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

"==Scientist's Input== Most likely, there was a glacier located here that scientist refer to as one of the most prominent sources of finding evidence of evolution. Unfortunally, researchers have not been able to dig down deep enough to get samples."

--removed from anon user, im assuming this is vandalism. Also noticed that in the List of Kings of Lydia article some of the first ones listed are all greek gods, I wonder how those got into the page Astrokey44 03:06, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Candaules

different accounts refer to two people being called Candaules "the Dog-strangler" - Im assuming that the correct one is the last Lydian king of the Heraclid dynasty - Mursylos - that fits in with the dates given on Candaules (735-718), rather than what it says on Gyges of Lydia - that it was Sadyattes (624 BC to 610) as it says at the wiki article there aswell. Astrokey44 03:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

For the Lydian name of "Lydia", you mean the Hittish term.

Language

Somebody finally came up with a source supporting the claim that Lydian is descended from Hittite.However, it is from 1986 and by a non-linguist, NOT an expert. I have added to the language article a reference from 2004 by a specialist in Anatolian languages which indicates no special relationship between Lydian and Hittite.Bill 17:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Map of Croesus' Lydia including Lycia and Ionian cities

There is a certain problem here with the language. Unlike Carian and Lycian, which with Luwian seem to belong to the Luwian subgroup, Lydian has distinct characteristics. I can't find anyone willing to say it descends from Luwian and the main question seems to have been whether it was Anatolian or some closely related IE language. Now the problem is, in these articles Arzawa is put forward as having spoken Luwian. But if you look at Melchert's maps, which are available in commons, most Luwian is spoken in eastern and southern Anatolia. The Lydia region is not covered there at all. So, either Lydia did not fall within Arzawa, or not all Arzawa spoke Luwian. Anyone know of any solutions to this before I get started on Lydia and Arzawa?Dave (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Misleading map

This "territorial" map even shows Lycia as part of Lydia. A good map would show cities that paid tribute to Croesus, not a modern "colored-in" territory. --Wetman (talk) 04:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Separate articles for Lydia and Lydians as per Caria and Carians

Distinct articles for Carians, focusing on the people, and Caria, focusing on the geographical region, exist since 2005 and blossoming. I suggest we adopt the same approach for Lydians (for the people) and Lydia (region, state and province). Cretanforever (talk 17 November 2008 (UTC)

First coinage

I added some material to the "First coinage" section, based on two articles I've written on the subject, one for the Numismatist, the monthly magazine of the American Numismatic Association, the other for the Journal of the Classical and Medieval Numismatic Society, both based on my reading of all the available material in books and journal articles on the subject. This is the second time I've done this here. The first time someone deleted my additions and switched back to the previous text. My additions aren't meant as an intrusion on someone else's turf, just a more complete and accurate rendition of what is known or generally believed about this interesting subject.

Reidgold (talk) 07:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

You need to provides sources for your edits that are Verifiable and from Reliable sources. _{El Greco}^(talk) 22:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The only source you provided was Herodotus! Herotodus is unreliable in general and in this specific instance famously ambiguous. Where did you, who whoever wrote this, get your other information? You don't include any "verifiable" or "reliable" sources. What's more, much of the information that is provided in this section is wrong. It looks like it came from a mismash of online coin auction catalogs or some old, outdated primer on coins.

Reidgold (talk) 05:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Turkish Name of Lydia

As most of the direct descendants of the Lydians and other ancient anatolian civilizations currently speak Turkish, the name of these civilizations should also be provided in Turkish language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lycianhittite (talk • contribs) 23:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The Turks didn't enter Anatolia until the 11th century AD, 1,500 years after the fall of the independent Lydia and 1,000 years after the Lydian language became extinct. The only thing Turkey has in common with ancient Lydia is geography, with the Turks ruling the land today that was once ruled by the ancient Lydians. Most of what we know about Lydia comes from the Greeks. The name "Lydia," used in references written in English, comes from the Greeks as well. It doesn't make sense to refer to ancient Lydia by its Turkish name in an encyclopedia article written in English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.188.51 (talk) 00:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hebrew Name of Lydia

Appologies to Til Eulenspiegel I thought you were one of the idiots which your user page indicates you actually do well struggling against.

Genesis 10:יג וּמִצְרַיִם יָלַד אֶת-לוּדִים וְאֶת-עֲנָמִים, וְאֶת-לְהָבִים--וְאֶת-נַפְתֻּחִים. 13 And Mizraim begot Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

You see Ludim are from Mitzraim not to be confused with Lud son of Shem (in the far east). Best wishes and keep up the good work.81.103.121.144 (talk) 21:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

What is your source for this view? Paul August ☎ 11:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi. The sources for the two views are 1) Josephus (that Lydians are from Lud son of Shem) and 2) Hippolytus (that Lydians are from Ludim son of Mizraim). Other Christian commentators such as Jerome etc. went with Josephus' view, which has remained predominant. This is all explained on Lud, son of Shem, but it would probably be relevant here too, if it clears up the confusion. Regards, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 14:00, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Can better sources for these views be added to the article? The cite I (quickly) added: Dictionary of the Holy Bible (1832), for the first view could probably be improved upon. Paul August ☎ 14:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)