Talk:Capital punishment

Edit Request From Mad Bunny, 8 Jan 2010

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The sentence "Amnesty International allowed a vote on a nonbinding resolution to the UN to promote the abolition of the death penalty." is gibberish. The article linked in the sentence makes no reference to Amnesty International being involved with the resolution, so the reference to Amnesty International should be removed.

It is unclear why the sentence "Amnesty International considers it to be "the ultimate denial of Human Rights"." is relevant to the article. This is a philosophical statement by a non-governmental organization and not relevant to an objective definition of the subject. That sentence should be removed.

Adding a link to "In Favor" section of article

I have created a website "In Favor" of capital punishment. The main focus is to counter what is perceived to be Catholic Church teaching against the death penalty. The "official" historical magisterial teaching of the Catholic Church supports capital punishment. The link is tcreek.jimdo.com

My question is: If the link is acceptable, how do I add it to the Capital Punishment page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcreek1 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I have one other contribution to Wikipedia, also a link, this to the pro section of the Teilhard de Chardin page tcreek1.jimdo.com Tcreek1 (talk) 23:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

add an external link

hello. i would really like to add an external link to this page about a group in texas that is not an advocacy group, they are totally neutral toward capital punishment group which seeks only to listen to people who have been involved in some respect with a murdered loved one and/or had a loved one executed and/or is involved in social issues surrounding these topics. they publish the interviews both in video and transcripted form. their work is fascinating. here are some relevant links: home page: http://texasafterviolence.org/ page where you can browse the interviews: http://www.texasafterviolence.org/stories

ok thanks. let me know if this link is able to be added to the external links part on this page.

Alxnd (talk) 23:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC) alxnd

Edit request from Mrtechguy1995, 23 November 2010

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EDITedit Mrtechguy1995 (talk) 16:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

What would you like changed on the article? Mhiji (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Capital punishment in Oklahoma

{{edit semi-protected}} Under the Methods section Oklahoma needs to be listed three times its listed under Lethal injection and Shooting but it needs to be listed under Electric chair also as its one of Oklahoma's back ups. Plus under the Shooting one it reads like Oklahoma still does this which is wrong it needs to be re worded to say that its an option should Lethal injection and the Electric chair be outlawed. 68.227.115.100 (talk) 20:34, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.Please provide a reliable source to verify this information; if you have a source, please make a new edit request. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:55, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The sources are already provided in the article there's no need for me to look anything up when their there in the article already.--68.227.115.100 (talk) 06:31, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"Infliction of death" vs. "killing"?

The opening sentence of this article currently reads: "Capital punishment, the death penalty, or execution is the infliction of death to a person by judicial process as a punishment for an offense." Aside from the correct preposition ("infliction of death" should take "on" or "upon", not "to"), I believe that the opening sentence ought to say that capital punishment, etc. is the killing of a person by judicial process, etc. In my view, expressions such as "infliction of death" or "putting to death" violate WP:EUPHEMISM and WP:SPADE. A recent editor has suggested that "killing" is POV here, but I believe "killing" is a perfectly proper word (and probably the least POV of the various possibilities). Another alternative phrasing which some have proposed — "Capital punishment or the death penalty is the execution of a person...." — may be a circular definition, unclear to some readers (especially those who may have reached the page via the Execution redirect), in addition to arguably failing WP:EUPHEMISM. What do others think about this? Is there any consensus for any specific wording? Richwales (talk · contribs) 18:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree with that, a newspaper will never announce a judicial execution by "John Doe is killed", unless it a virulent anti-death penalty newspaper. It will announce "John Doe is executed". I know no neutral use of the word "kill" for describe the death penalty. Malosinus (talk) 13:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I do agree that Capital punishment is killing someone - however the word "killing" implies wrong doing - Now you may not believe a State has this right to imposes the death penalty on its citizens, but its all done legally so the word "Killing" is misleading and many give undue weight to anti capital punishment POVs. We have to be careful in the wording - Euthanasia is killing someone but has very different implication - hope all see this train-of-thoughMoxy (talk) 18:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I think killing, although blunt, is an appropriate word choice. It's direct, it's simple, and it's accurate. "Infliction of death" strikes me as an undesirable WP:EUPHEMISM. It also feels like an effort to hide a ten-cent concept that makes us squeamish behind fifty-dollar words—rather "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain".

Malosinus is correct that "John Doe is killed" is never going to be used, but that's because it's bad grammar. So is "John Doe is executed". The syntactically correct phrases are "John Doe was killed" and "John Doe was (or has been) executed."

The use of phrases like "killing" are provably in use, e.g., The Kangleipak Communist Party (MTF)...stated that he was killed for his anti party activities and ...rape and murder convict Leo Echegaray, who received capital punishment and was killed via lethal injection in 1999.

I don't think that killing implies wrongdoing. I kill bugs and (unfortunately) houseplants. The butcher kills cows. Some governments kill people. These aren't the same things morally, but the same word encompasses all of them, without passing judgment. (Murder passes judgment. You may have noticed that animal rights activists frequently talk about murdering animals [e.g., for food], not merely killing them.)

The "execution" idea seems circular to me. Also, there are extralegal executions, so it might be less accurate than other options. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I see this a bit differently - I believe we have words to describe certain actions. A butcher "slaughters" things - People "exterminate" bugs - I "harvest" my nice green smelly plants - as for y your so mean to your plants i would say its neglect not a premeditated act on your part I hope. LOL :) .Moxy (talk) 03:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

The word "kill" for describe the death penalty remains mainly marginal and on the contrary it is often used by those who opposes the death penalty.

People sentenced to imprisonment are incarcerated, or physically confined, and not "sequestered". People sentenced to death are executed, or receives death, they are not "killed". Malosinus (talk) 23:40, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Peter Leopold II of Tuscany

Holy Roman Emperor Leopold II was Peter Leopold of Tuscany, but not Peter Leopold II of Tuscany - this may confuse him with Leopold II of Tuscany, who lived a century later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.146.80 (talk) 11:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request From cellmaker, 6 Feb 2011

Under section Methods, this awkward bulletpoint could use some cleaning up:

Lethal injection (all states in the USA that are using the capital punishment, except from Nebraska, with electric chair as an alternative, Philippines, Guatemala, Thailand, the People's Republic of China, Taiwan, Vietnam)

98.218.240.162 (talk) 12:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)