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http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mega_Drive&action=historysubmit&diff=413497219&oldid=413489528 I found this edit intriguing. Currently we use citations for the ads we talk about in the article, such as "Genesis Does" and "Blast Processing," but wouldn't it be better if we had the links like this??? Then people could click to see the ad, instead of hopefully clicking to see the citation (which IMHO most people don't do,) and then clicking to see the ad.--[[User:SexyKick|<font color="#00BFFF ">'''Sexy'''</font>]][[User talk:SexyKick|<font color="#347235">'''Kick'''</font>]] 18:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC) |
http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mega_Drive&action=historysubmit&diff=413497219&oldid=413489528 I found this edit intriguing. Currently we use citations for the ads we talk about in the article, such as "Genesis Does" and "Blast Processing," but wouldn't it be better if we had the links like this??? Then people could click to see the ad, instead of hopefully clicking to see the citation (which IMHO most people don't do,) and then clicking to see the ad.--[[User:SexyKick|<font color="#00BFFF ">'''Sexy'''</font>]][[User talk:SexyKick|<font color="#347235">'''Kick'''</font>]] 18:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC) |
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== The Article Contradicts Itself == |
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Either the Sega Genesis (Mega Drive) was the best selling Gaming Console of it's era in North America or it wasn't. This Wiki first describes it as '' "the first of its generation to achieve notable market share in Europe and North America" '' in the introductory section. Followed by not being successful in North America in the History section i.e. '' "Although the Sega Master System was a success in Europe, and later also Brazil, it failed to ignite much interest in the North American or Japanese markets, which, by the mid-to-late 1980s, were both dominated by Nintendo's large market shares" '' and later in the Console Wars section it is described as beating out Nintendo very soundly i.e. '' "Sega began in 1992 with a number of advantages: a 55% to 45% market share over the Super NES" '' as well '' "as with Nintendo's share of the 16-bit machine business dipping down to 37% at the end of 1993,[55] and Sega accounting for 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994" '' . You can't have it both ways, it may not have been as successful in North America v.s. Europe when it was first released, which was largely due to the price tag, but it definitely dominated the market in North America overall.--[[Special:Contributions/75.17.215.115|75.17.215.115]] ([[User talk:75.17.215.115|talk]]) 18:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC) |
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This is the American Wikipedia, not the Japanese Wikipedia. Please change the name to Genesis, the proper name.--D3st1ny (talk) 21:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- This has been discussed before ad nauseum, but regardless of that, this is the English Wikipedia, not the American Wikipedia, and it was known as Mega Drive everywhere in the world except the US and Canada (and maybe Mexico, I don't know), including many English-speaking countries. Also, no everyone who speaks English is a native speaker (second/third language etc). Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 21:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- But America is THE English speaking country? Just like how France is the French speaking country, China the Chinese speaking country, so on and so fourth.--D3st1ny (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ummm, what? That makes absolutely no sense. There are several other English speaking countries, such as Canada, The UK, Eire (Ireland), Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc. If you meant the main English speaking country, that is arguable, but irrelevant anyway - America has no ownership over the content of en.wikipedia. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 04:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Regardless, if any country is "the" English speaking country, it should be England surely (the clue is in the name). Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 04:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- But America is THE English speaking country? Just like how France is the French speaking country, China the Chinese speaking country, so on and so fourth.--D3st1ny (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I can't see how the embedded sample relates to the reference, and it seems rather dubious.
As usual, trying to get some clarification and accuracy on Wikipedia has been a waste of time.
The citation for this whole 'the sound is completely different in different revisions' thing has no relation to the claims.
But like I say, as usual it's a complete waste of time trying to get any reasonable response from the sort of people who 'maintain' articles in this 'encylopedia'.
I abandon you to your fate, and no I won't be 'donating'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.68.79 (talk) 02:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Judging by the edit history, you've only changed it once and that change was reverted by someone else. If you think its wrong change it again, or create a section on the talk page stating your intention to remove it and ask for clarification from the person who added it, or from other users who see the edit from a different angle. Having a rant on here just because you've been reverted once won't get anything done.
- Oh and "the sort of people who 'maintain' articles in this 'encylopedia'" that would be people like you and me then, seeing as how we've both made edits to WP.
- We all get edits reverted by other editors, but we don't rant, we either accept that others see it differently or we fight our corner on the Discussion page which is what you should do. - X201 (talk) 09:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
But I don't have time to "fight my corner" against people who simply revert edits and claim against reality that their citations make any sense. It's not a matter of "seeing things differently" if an assertion is backed up by meaningless, irrelevant citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.68.79 (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I've removed it. The source fails WP:SPS - X201 (talk) 16:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- This is pretty sad IMHO. This article is what taught me I needed to mod my Genesis model 2 with that mod because of the distorted audio. I can't even google up a more reliable source than that page or some forum post/blog. I don't get what was dubious, apart from the samples in the source being different than the ones in the article.--SexyKick 02:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- Its a Self Published Source. We can only use SPS references if the person publishing it is an acknowledged expert in the field. - X201 (talk) 08:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- I understand that, which is why I was searching for another source (which I can't find). Hopefully one can be found, as it's a very notable piece of information.--SexyKick 06:45, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
- Its a Self Published Source. We can only use SPS references if the person publishing it is an acknowledged expert in the field. - X201 (talk) 08:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
- This is pretty sad IMHO. This article is what taught me I needed to mod my Genesis model 2 with that mod because of the distorted audio. I can't even google up a more reliable source than that page or some forum post/blog. I don't get what was dubious, apart from the samples in the source being different than the ones in the article.--SexyKick 02:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Offsite linking to the ads?
http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mega_Drive&action=historysubmit&diff=413497219&oldid=413489528 I found this edit intriguing. Currently we use citations for the ads we talk about in the article, such as "Genesis Does" and "Blast Processing," but wouldn't it be better if we had the links like this??? Then people could click to see the ad, instead of hopefully clicking to see the citation (which IMHO most people don't do,) and then clicking to see the ad.--SexyKick 18:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The Article Contradicts Itself
Either the Sega Genesis (Mega Drive) was the best selling Gaming Console of it's era in North America or it wasn't. This Wiki first describes it as "the first of its generation to achieve notable market share in Europe and North America" in the introductory section. Followed by not being successful in North America in the History section i.e. "Although the Sega Master System was a success in Europe, and later also Brazil, it failed to ignite much interest in the North American or Japanese markets, which, by the mid-to-late 1980s, were both dominated by Nintendo's large market shares" and later in the Console Wars section it is described as beating out Nintendo very soundly i.e. "Sega began in 1992 with a number of advantages: a 55% to 45% market share over the Super NES" as well "as with Nintendo's share of the 16-bit machine business dipping down to 37% at the end of 1993,[55] and Sega accounting for 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994" . You can't have it both ways, it may not have been as successful in North America v.s. Europe when it was first released, which was largely due to the price tag, but it definitely dominated the market in North America overall.--75.17.215.115 (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)