Talk:List of numbers

Deletion discussion: Talk:List of numbers/Deletion

Naming of number articles

The titles of articles about numbers should be spelled out, and a link should be added to the article for the "year" with the same number. Numbers over 100 that are not divisible by 100 (101-199, 201-299) should include the word "and". (See discussion at Talk:One hundred and eleven. GUllman

Where should I put a link to One thousand seven hundred and twenty nine?? (new, by me) -- AndrewKepert 05:35, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I've put it in thousand -- User:Karl Palmen 11 Nov 2003

"Numbers over 100 that are not divisible by 100 (101-199, 201-299) should not include the word "and". (See discussion at Talk:One hundred eleven. Denelson83 07:53, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)"

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From the article:"(Articles about the numbers 21-29 will be developed at twenty until they are large enough for their own page, articles about 31-39 will be developed at thirty, articles about 101-199 will be developed at hundred, and so on.)"

This seems like a sensible way of avoiding stubs, but creates a couple of problems: Firstly, it can be quite confusing arriving at the "wrong" page by redirect, so care needs to be taken with the headings: see my suggestion at Talk:Twenty.

Secondly, it makes the see alsos a bit awkward, since e.g. Thirty currently links to itself several times (Thirty-one, Thirty-two, etc.), but not Forty, the next combined article - and yet, for consistency, it should do so, since that is the sequentially next integer. It also contains a section for Thirty-three, which points you to a full article - this mixture of combined and seperate is even harder to navigate, and I'm not sure it really makes sense.

Proposal

Both this page and English-language numerals have the nomenclature of English number names, and also a list of common numbers. I propose they are rationalised so that we have two closely-related (and interlinked) pages

• list of numbers is just a list of numbers, linking to pages that do (or should) have wiki pages.
• English-language numerals deals with the nomenclature, which strictly speaking form a numeral system not numbers, and so can be removed from list of numbers.

On this page, the main change is that the big table will be replaced by a list of whole numbers bigger than 100. This could be done by continuing the 0-100 list in a sparse fashion. e.g.

100, 111, 127, 222, 255, 273, 451, 666

1000, 1729, 8191

131071

1000000=10⁶, 1000000000=10⁹

10¹², 10¹⁵, 10¹⁸, 6.24×10¹⁸, 10²¹, 6.023×10²³, 10²⁴

and so on. Of course, the existing pages for Billion etc are essentially pages that disambiguate and explain some history. They should retain this role. The pages for the numbers 10²¹ don't exist.

Yes, and strictly speaking, the two physical constants I dropped into the list are probably not integers. They are there for example.

Food for thought, anyway. I may get around to this edit in the next week or so unless some other good ideas come in. --AndrewKepert 01:42, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Another way to organise these (and not disagreeing with Andrew above), from familiar to unfamilar:

• Natural numbers
  • Small natural numbers
  • Large natural numbers
  • Other natural numbers
• negative integers
• Fractional numbers
  • Fractional rational numbers
  • Irrational numbers
    • Irrational real numbers
      • Irrational algebraic real numbers
      • transcendental real numbers
    • Imaginary numbers
      • Imaginary complex numbers
      • Other hypercomplex numbers
• Transfinite numbers

(where these list items are really supposed to be headers). Notice also how we neatly get exactly one link per header (except in the natural numbers, due to that list's size), and also link to every term (both affirmative and negative). -- Toby Bartels 06:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

VfD

Quattuordecillion was listed on vfd for 8 days from Feb 23 to Mar 2 2004, and was redirected here. Pasted discussion from VfD:

• Quattuordecillion - dictionary definition Anthony DiPierro 06:16, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Neutral. Could improve. Delete if not improve in 7 days -- Graham  :) 11:14, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Relocate to Wiktionary. Oberiko 12:50, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect. Being out of context, this doesn't make much sense. Would make much more sense as part of a numbers table (like in Webster's Dict). Main difference is the usage of "milliard" in Europe opposite to "billion" in the States to begin with. --Palapala 20:11, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Numbers table is at List of numbers. Anthony DiPierro 22:19, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • Thanks, Anthony. Both entries are there, in the context, where they belong. So why a seperate article? --Palapala 08:44, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Yea, could improve?!! AY 05:25, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Move to wiktionary if not there already. Wile E. Heresiarch 12:13, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

zenzizenzizenzic

According to this link http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-zen1.htm it this term zenzizenzizenzic has been obsolete for centuries. Does it really belong here? It seems more like trivia. Thanks, BCorr ¤ Брайен 13:47, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

I do agree, it's more a "museum word" than a real english word. Maybe it should be explained in How to name numbers in English, since zenzic means "squared", zenzizenzic "fourth power", zenzicube "sixth power", and, we could add, zenzizenzizenzizenzix would be "16^th power"... slord 15:02, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Names of really large numbers

Can your list of numbers go beyond 10^180?? Let me see if I got this correct:

• 10^183 = sexagintillion
• 10^213 = septuagintillion
• 10^243 = octogintillion
• 10^273 = nonagintillion
• 10^303 = centillion
• 10^603 = bicentillion
• 10^903 = tercentillion
• 10^1203 = quadricentillion
• 10^1503 = quinquacentillion
• 10^1803 = sexacentillion
• 10^2103 = septuacentillion
• 10^2403 = octocentillion
• 10^2703 = nonacentillion
• 10^3003 = millillion

User 66.32.154.142

Inconsistency on numbers pages

Number 911 redirects to 900 (number). 911 (number) is its own article.

That is ridiculous. Number 911 should redirect to 911 (number), which should have a link to 900 (number).

The second part is implemented here; the first is not.

Brianjd 06:38, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)

Why not fix it then? — Lady Lysine Ikinsile 06:41, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)

It redirects there because the text of 911 (number) used to be on 900 (number). Guess who split the page off .. -- User:Docu

The following pages do not exist:

• Number 257
• 257 (number)

There are probably a lot of changes to be made, so perhaps a bit of help?
Brianjd 07:21, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)

Pages in the form "Number N" (0 to 40) or spelled out in words eg Nineteen (0 to 20) redirect correctly.
Brianjd 10:38, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)

Pages in the form "Number N" (41 to 100) redirect correctly.
Brianjd 05:46, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

Pages in the form "Number N" (101 to 122) redirect correctly.
Brianjd 12:26, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

Disorganization

Great Lord, is this article ever disorganized. There are places where it repeats itself no fewer than three times. Was anyone paying attention when they added entries? I hope nobody minds if I copyedit and delete some unnecessary tables. --Ardonik 10:41, 2004 Aug 5 (UTC)

Go right ahead, and edit boldly! -- The Anome 10:44, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This way, I suppose we will figure out which ones are "unnessary".. -- User:Docu

I think the table of negative integers is unnecessary, since there are no plans to write articles on any negative integers besides -1 and -40. I've re-listed those two under "Notable Integers." Anton Mravcek 17:37, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Retraction

Boy howdy, I don't know how it happened, but this article is looking great now. Good work, everyone! Now, all that's left is to transplant/merge/move information between this article and Names of large numbers.... --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 01:35, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Million raised to the Nth power, thousand raised to the Nth power

Regarding a recent contribution by anonymous User:132.205.45.148, I think it's confusing to express the large numbers both in terms of powers of a million and in terms of powers of a thousand. I think the millionⁿ is more comprehensible, so I'm reverting the change. (Sorry, anon; I know you must have worked on it for a while. Feel free to make your case here.) --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 02:21, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

The million^# is adequate in relating the European way of numbering, but the American way is based on powers of a thousand. It illustrates how the name nonillion equates to 1000^(9+1), or 30 zeros, from the root part non (thus Vigintillion clearly shows the 20th power of 1000, times 1000; etc). It may be more clear of it is 1000*1000^9, but I entered it in a shorter manner. <br/
In case anyone reverts, there also contains a correction to an incorrect power of a million in my edit, you'll have to find that and reimplement it.
132.205.45.148

You have a good point; I never thought about the names of numbers that way before. I think I'll finish what you started and remove the powers of a million (keeping the powers of a thousand, of course) as soon as I can switch to a faster computer. Is it just me, or is the Wikipedia rather slow this afternoon? --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 21:37, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)

Proposed systematic names for powers of 10

Why does this article give space for proposed systems? Elsewhere in Wikipedia, articles on proposed systems have been deleted since they only refer to proposed systems rather than actual systems in use. If these systems are actually being used somewhere in the world, then fine - rename them as actual systems. Otherwise, why not remove until such time as they are being used. Ian Cairns 22:17, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Surely if there is one place in this Wikipedia where even hypothetical English numbering systems are relevant, it would be here, in this article? How else could our readers compare, or even learn about such systems? --[[User:Ardonik|Ardonik(talk)]] 03:57, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

A case could be made for putting the information at How to name numbers in English. Or perhaps that article should refer to this article for info on the proposed systems. Anton Mravcek 18:04, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Cleaned up discussion

The content of this Talk page seems to have been accidentally duplicated at the beginning of September 2004. I have removed the duplicate material, taking care not to delete any new (interpolated) discussion (of which there wasn't any, AFAICT). I also created a new first header ("Naming of number articles") and removed a link to /redirects on the very first line since it only redirected to Table of prime factors (apparently someone's redirection test performed outside of the Sandbox). - dcljr 23:51, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

History of number names

How close to being correct is the history of these number names:

One through Ten

The English number names from one to 10 are related through the Indo-European root to the corresponding prefixes for both Greek and Latin, with just one exception: mono- literally means single and one is just a synonym.

Hundred

According to the American Heritage Dictionary Third Edition (1997) the names for 100 in Greek, Latin, and English all have the same indo-European root, which is also the same as those for 10.

Thousand

This is where it starts to vary. Both the prefixes for 1000 in Greek chilia- and Latin mill- have the same root, but English's "thousand" is unrelated; it comes from German literally meaning "swollen hundred".

Ten thousand

Greek myria- for 10,000, prior to its number name, meant "countless", and was chosen perhaps because the Greeks described it as a number "too large to count to".

Million (10^6)

The word million, meaning 10^6, is common to almost all languages of today. I think it is simply an augmented form of the Latin word for 1000.

Gillion (10^9)

Rowlett's proposed word for 10^9 is a combination of the SI prefix "giga" and the illion suffix, on the model of mega/million.

10^12 to 10^30

The remainder of Rowlett's proposed words are simply Greek numerical prefixes attatched to the illion suffix, simply to differentiate it from the traditional system with Latin numerical prefixes.

Googol (10^100)

Googol, I really don't know how it came. It was coined around 1940 by someone who wanted to think about huge numbers, but I never found how this word actually came to be as it is. Is it an alteration of goggle or short for googoogoogoo...?? 66.245.115.43 20:00, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There's a book at the library that talks about this very thing. I'm going to check it out, let you know what I find in there. PrimeFan 21:49, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Look under Edward Kasner, the mathematician who introduced the term (it was originally named by his nephew). Google was named after Googol. Ian Cairns 21:58, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Why are googol and googolplex not even mentioned in this article? Pottersson (talk) 20:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

They are listed at Large numbers Zarcadia (talk) 21:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

"few" and "several"

I'm skeptical about the claims that "few" and (especially) "several" are often most associated with fixed values. Can anyone corroborate? 4pq1injbok 13:25, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Frankly I don't think those additions to the article are serious. Anyway, I have merged the entire section in question into the article Placeholder name, where similar material was already to be found -- leaving just a link here in the List of numbers article. (Can someone find a more proper way to include this link in the article?) In the process, I removed those remarks assigning specific values to few and several.--Niels Ø 13:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Vigesimal English names

i.e. the system with scores. The consistent thing to do would be to give vigesimal names for either every number (in an appropriate range) or none of them. Of course, threescore and ten is notable for its appearance in Psalms 90:10, so it may deserve its special place; in this case four score and seven is similarly notable. Thoughts? 4pq1injbok 01:43, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Proposed section

I want to see if anyone has any opinions on whether the proposed systematic names section should have its own article. This was brought to my attention by Rowlett's Afd. Georgia guy 23:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll bring this up at the Talk of WP:NUM. PrimeFan 14:49, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

perdime & perdecime

Is there any verifiable source for perdime and perdecime being the appropriate corresponding term for one tenth on the lines of percent and permille? And I do mean a source not derived from wikipedia itself. -- Cimon avaro; on a pogostick. 15:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Base 64

It will be quite interesting if someone add to the neat table in each number article contained also the representation in the Base 64 system used to encode e-mails...

In time: Someone has any reference on the babylonian base 60 system? It is "writable" in the modern ocidental aphabet? --Lucas Gallindo 21:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Babylonian numerals are composed of cuneiform symbols that do not correspond to anything in any modern script. However, I believe some Medieval and Renaissance mathematical writings used base 60 by writing each sexagit (a word I just invented for a base-60 digit) as a Roman or Arabic number, separated by some mark. —Tamfang 22:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Plane 2 of Unicode might have cuneiform symbols. Or maybe math historians have their own private use area assignments and fonts for them. Anton Mravcek 16:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Completion

This list is horribly incomplete. Would somebody please add the rest of the integers? I'll try to get a start on the real numbers next week. 142.59.195.50 07:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

That's a joke. The list is complete in that it has every number anyone would ever want to look up for a reason other than just to see that Wikipedia has an article on it. PrimeFan (talk) 01:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I LOVE YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.148.196 (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this complaint. There should at least be a little wikipedian humor by making the page a permanent stub. Haberdasheryisnotacrime (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

That's a joke that stopped being funny SOOO LOOOOOOOOONG ago. Numerao (talk) 19:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

line breaks

I admit that the "table" format of numbers up to 100 is somehow nice, but on a 1400px wide screen it fills at most half of a window which is only half of the screen width large... (and am I wrong or should the "200" line already be indented like 300ff? or is the latter indentation a vandalism?)

Much worse, the list of notable numbers. Couldn't we write them just one after the other, separated by space? (Maybe a paragraph break at 100, 1000 etc or so?) Also, it should be put there to clarify, what numbers and why qualify here as "notable". — MFH:Talk 00:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the entries for 310-390 and 410-490 don't exist. I'm trying to clean up the additional list, as well, but it's not easy. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Once in a while, you just have to take a machete to these things. I've somewhat arbitrarily removed a lot of these and added explanations to the ones that remain. If I've gone slightly too far, just restore the number you think I shouldn't've removed, but also an explanation to show that it is notable. And if I've really gone too far, there's always undo and rollback. Anton Mravcek (talk) 22:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Could this ever be a featured article?

I think this is the coolest article on Wikipedia. I know it's a weird suggestion, but I feel like this article is fascinating enough to be the featured article. What do other people think? Willow1729 (talk) 04:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Being a list, it would have to be on Wikipedia:Featured lists (which is easier than Wikipedia:Featured articles). But fascinating is not a criteria at Wikipedia:Featured list criteria. Being featured on Wikipedia is about quality and not about having an interesting or important subject (although those things may cause more editors to work on improving the quality). I don't think the current list is near featured quality and I don't want to do the work to bring it there. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it cool, but for me it is certainly useful. Though there is one thing that bother me about it, like that list of notable integers. What about you, PrimeHunter, what bothers you about this article? What kind of work do you think it needs to bring it near featured quality? Anton Mravcek (talk) 22:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I shouldn't have said that. I just looked at Wikipedia:Featured list criteria which doesn't seem to fit the list well but the type and scope of list may have a lot to do with that. There are several things I would prefer omitted and others I would prefer expanded with annotations. But there are no clear inclusion criteria and I don't see how to make them. I guess people will just have different ideas about what is worth including. When I haven't worked on the list and don't plan to, maybe I should keep my opinions to myself but here are some of them anyway since you ask. I haven't thought so carefully about them. There are too few references (I only count 4 unformatted external links). More table entries should be wikilinked (table entries are allowed to repeat wikilinks from earlier). The lead is too short, and misleading since large parts of the list are not lists of articles. Integers should have their own level 2 heading and not be spread in various subsections of rational numbers. I dislike "Notable integers" even after the trimming. It seems highly subjective and I disagree with several of the choices. I would like short definitions for several things, for example Named integers (where the actual value should also be listed when practical) and various sets of numbers. Perfect numbers shouldn't have a table with large decimal expansions but maybe a list with formulas or smaller numbers. Gillion system and Myriad system are not important enough to have tables with rarely used names. The Algebraic numbers table shouldn't mention Length of the diagonal of ... when the rectangle or box has an irrational side length. External links section should be better formatted with author name first and not part of the link. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

"Alternate names"-best title?

I'm not sure "alternate names" is the best label for that table column. Some of the words are not synonyms for the numbers, but rather nouns describing sets that contain that many objects, if that makes any sense..."four" and "quadruplet" seem to have subtly different meanings. Should this be changed, and if so, to what? --Lkjhgfdsa (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. I stuck some more verbiage into the header of that table, as a temporary solution. 4pq1injbok (talk) 01:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Delimiters in the myriad system

(Ahh, back in one of my old haunts...)

Is there some good reason for using space and apostrophe and nothing as delimiters for 10^32 and 10^64 and 10^128 respectively in the myriad system? The first and third especially seem quite poor choices. All I've seen Knuth himself discuss are the , ; : delimiters. If no-one speaks up I'm inclined to just change the higher ones to apostrophe throughout. 4pq1injbok (talk) 01:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Two months is long enough. Done. 4pq1injbok (talk) 20:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

One reason for using spaces has just become obvious with your change: without the spaces the number cannot wrap, making the table far wider that the screen width. That's hardly desirable. — Emil J. 10:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Conway's constant

Conway's constant has recently been removed from the suspected transcendental section for the following reason 'Since Conway's constant is a root of a known polynomial, it certainly isn't transcendental' with the polynomial in question being

$x^{71}-x^{69}-2x^{68}-x^{67}+2x^{66}+2x^{65}+x^{64}-x^{63}-x^{62}-x^{61}-x^{60}-x^{59}\,$

${}+2x^{58}+5x^{57}+3x^{56}-2x^{55}-10x^{54}-3x^{53}-2x^{52}+6x^{51}+6x^{50}+x^{49}+9x^{48}-3x^{47}\,$

${}-7x^{46}-8x^{45}-8x^{44}+10x^{43}+6x^{42}+8x^{41}-5x^{40}-12x^{39}+7x^{38}-7x^{37}+7x^{36}+x^{35}\,$

${}-3x^{34}+10x^{33}+x^{32}-6x^{31}-2x^{30}-10x^{29}-3x^{28}+2x^{27}+9x^{26}-3x^{25}+14x^{24}-8x^{23}\,$

${}-7x^{21}+9x^{20}+3x^{19}-4x^{18}-10x^{17}-7x^{16}+12x^{15}+7x^{14}+2x^{13}-12x^{12}-4x^{11}\,$

${}-2x^{10}+5x^{9}+x^{7}-7x^{6}+7x^{5}-4x^{4}+12x^{3}-6x^{2}+3x-6.\,$

which is fine, but doesn't this mean that it should be listed in the algebraic section? You see I was going to put it there myself......... but I have no idea what a root of a polynomial is and have no idea how to show the number without using algebra or if this is even possible. Any help? Robo37 (talk) 13:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

A root of a polynomial is a value of x for which the value of the polynomial is 0. For example, the roots of the polynomial x² − 1 are 1 and −1. Any number which is a root of a polynomial that has integer coefficients is, by definition, algebraic; specifically, Conway's constant is indeed algebraic. Gandalf61 (talk) 13:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Right, so then am I right in thinking that it is impossible to show Conway's constant without using algebra? I mean by only using functions and integers so that it can be shown in the algebraic section of this article. Robo37 (talk) 15:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

It won't have a "nice" expression in terms of integers, simple arithmetic functions and nth roots like the other numbers mentioned in the Algebraic numbers section (well, I am almost certain it won't, as I am sure Conway would have found such an expression if it existed). Probably the most concise way to define it is "the unique positive real root of the following polynomial ...", which is how it is described in the look-and-say sequence article. Gandalf61 (talk) 15:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The transcendence of logarithms

All of the logarithms have just been removed from this article for being transcendental, but I fail to see how this is true; the first thing it says in the article about algebraic numbers is that 'In mathematics, an algebraic number is a complex number that is a root of a non-zero polynomial in one variable with rational (or equivalently, integer) coefficients.' and as log₃ (2), log₂ (3), log₂ (5), log₂ (6), log₂ (7), log₂ (9), log₂ (10), log₂ (11) and log₂ (12) are the roots of 3^x - 2, 2^x - 3, 2^x - 5, 2^x - 6, 2^x - 7, 2^x - 9, 2^x - 10, 2^x - 11 and 2^x - 12 respectively I think that it's pretty safe to say that they're algebraic. Robo37 (talk) 18:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Look, those are all transcendental. The definition of "polynomial" for the purpose of algebraic numbers is that the exponents are integers. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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a polynomial is a finite length expression constructed from variables (also known as indeterminates) and constants, by using the operations of addition, subtraction, multiplication, and constant non-negative whole number exponents.

— Polynomial

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— Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Improving the List of Notable Integers

Surely, other integers meet the qualification of being notable "for their mathematical properties or cultural meanings." To get the ball rolling, I'm adding zero, which has an extensive history. Shy (talk) 04:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Citation for Tau

I notice there is currently a "Citation Needed" tag for the constant Tau. Tau is two times Pi. If Pi is transcendental, then likewise so is Tau. Does the 'Citation Needed' here stem from the fact we need that spelled out, or because Tau doesn't seem to be a universally accepted constant? 123.243.125.161 (talk) 13:03, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The latter: tau is not a particularly common name for the constant.—Emil J. 13:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Steinhaus–Moser notation

Shouldn't this be here? the term Megiston was in the guinness book of world records as one possible candidate for largest named number. seems people would appreciate its mention here. i know i would.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

"This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it."

Am I the only one that sees the humor in calling a list of numbers incomplete?--Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs) 04:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Riemann zeta function examples

ζ(4) has been added, and ζ(3) and its reciprocal, but not the more notable ζ(2) and its reciprocal. I tend to think that all should be removed, but that's another matter entirely. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Split of irrational numbers

I propose that the recently created List of Irrational Numbers be merged back to or redirected to List of numbers. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I propose not. As the article states, this is supposed to be a list of pre-existing articles (on Wikipedia) that have more comprehensive lists. Besides, articles like Order of magnitude (numbers) are more comprehensive than this article anyhow. Do I make myself clear? LutherVinci (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I removed all the miscellaneous terms from the transcendental section, now that we have a more exhaustive list. LutherVinci (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Completely unacceptable, without consensus. I'm reverting the changes to this article. See WP:BRD. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Arthur's reversion. I also agree that the new list of irrational numbers should be merged back here and replaced with a redirect - there is no need for a separate list, the title is not a common search term, and the article is just a content fork. Gandalf61 (talk) 11:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

No one ever tries to listen to me on Wikipedia, but I'll have a go anyhow. The article says, in the lead-in, that this is a list of articles about numbers. But, as I read further, I find that it is a huge article that is labeled incomplete; because it doesn't link to any exhaustive list as it promises, but instead attempts to list all numbers itself. I am merely trying to A) Fulfill the article to the way it describes itself, and B) making it easier to give an exhaustive list of all numbers: by linking to smaller articles as it states clearly in WP:FORK; a list of numbers is far to big a subject for one article.

By the way, did you not suggest, in your own words, that the Zeta function be removed? did I not do exactly what you suggested was reasonable? are you denying yourself, man? LutherVinci (talk) 21:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

For your last question, the answer is no. You moved them to the subarticle, rather than removing them. A different matter entirely. For the first question, it would be a reasonable provision, except that, for some numbers (Brun's constant comes to mind), we have no idea whether it's rational, or even whether it's a finite sum. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Try reading WP:BRD. If you disagree with my edit, then discussion is what you should do, not go out and start destroying information without cause.LutherVinci (talk) 01:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. The bold revision was your fork. I've reverted it. Please discuss. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome to merge any information which seems appropriate to this article. I don't see the need to cover for edits made to the wrong article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:01, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Myriad System

Myriad System: the commas separating the zeroes are in the wrong place fix —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.27.252 (talk) 06:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

No, they aren't. That's where the commas go in that system. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't 1 be included as a prime number?

Shouldn't 1 be included as a prime number?